Progressives Must Fight With—and In—the Democratic Party

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    • #331088
      eridani
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      Also, building voter databases for progressive minor parties is a great idea.

      https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/06/25/progressives-must-fight-and-democratic-party

      After defying the odds and defeating corporate opponents on Tuesday, the strong progressives Jamaal Bowman and Mondaire Jones are headed to Congress from New York—and there’s no way it would be happening if they hadn’t been willing and able to put up a fight in Democratic primaries. The same was true in 2018 with the election of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley as they beat the party establishment.

      After three decades of contributing mightily to the blight of congressional militarism, Rep. Eliot Engel couldn’t be rescued by the high-profile endorsements of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Nor could Engel be saved by the eleventh-hour support of Hillary Clinton.

      Other Democratic incumbents are being challenged by progressives in difficult and inspiring campaigns: intent on doing what, according to conventional political wisdom, can’t be done.

      In the electoral arena, the goal is not only about winning elections. It’s also about replacing the top-down weight of entrenched politicians with the bottom-up power of grassroots activism. A current example is the effort by progressive activists in California to make Congressman Ro Khanna the chair of the state’s delegation for the Democratic National Convention, instead of Gov. Gavin Newsom.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      djean111
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      and then they stifle progressives under them.

      Do you, perchance, have database builders, or voter database software that you would recommend to small progressive parties?  Just saying they need voter databases could perhaps be enhanced with some workable solutions!

    • #331252
      bazukhov
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      Then they have to persuade enough voters to vote for them in general.

      If they can’t win, they can’t govern and nothing changes.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

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      Captain Arizona
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      We need to demand stacy abrams for veep and after the election use the 25 amendment.

    • #331671
      xyzse
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      I agree for the most part.  The Article does mention the following only:

      • That Progressives have won certain primaries
      • That Progressives are skeptical about the fairness of the primaries
      • That Progressives should fight from out and within the Democratic Party
      • That Joe Biden seems to be ahead right now, but that can change
      • That they need party unity to win, and if there was any more primary improprieties, chances are that would be even less than now.

      The points in the article that I laid out, I tend to agree with.  It did not seem to mention having to vote Joe Biden.

      I will vote in Democratic Primaries, and I have.  However, I don’t have to vote for the Democratic candidate in the General election if I find them unacceptable.

      Convincing voters to vote for them is applicable to every politician.  The VDs need to convince people to vote for them, if they would ever vote for them in the General Election.  They should NOT run crying blaming everyone else other than themselves for losing.

      I will NOT vote for Joe Biden.

    • #331712
      doh1304
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      The more we vote for quislings the worse they get. Next stop Brazil.

    • #331738
      peacecorps
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      they ‘won’ by giving the Bush/Romney/McConnell wing of the party all the tax cuts, deregulation and military spending increases they ever dreamed of and more. And the Tea Party ‘populists’ got a few miles of border wall and some angry rhetoric.

      Fighting with (and in) the DP, even if eventually ‘successful’, may have the same result for progressives.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      And neuter progressive politicians, turning them into simpering lapdogs for the likes of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. The Democratic Party is too corrupt and too entrenched. In fact, only nonelectoral means will save We The People in the not-so-long run. The only way the oligarchs will give up anything is if they are terrified of the alternative.

      Look at the police reform initiatives. Do you think those, no matter how lackluster many of them are, would have happened at all if things had not burned? Think again.

      Politically, progressives need a new vehicle. The Democrats are death to our goals.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #334713
      eridani
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      Necessary not only for voter contact, but also to check the addresses of houses that are not listed as having registered voters.  That’s the only effective way to target for voter registration campaigns.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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