Putin Fires Back at EU Resolution Claiming Germany and Russia Paved the Way for WW2

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    • #243828
      Passionate Progressive
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      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

    • #243832
      GZeusH
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      It’s not so difficult to understand —  PiS-ants running Poland are full of shit.

    • #243872
      mrdmk
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      My understanding is the resolution of WWI (which was no resolution at all) was the cause of WWII. Now who was in charge of those proceedings?

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

      • #244805
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @mrdmk Exactly. It was the British and French who insisted on the onerous reparations provisions of the Versailles Treaty, which crippled the German economy and made the rise of Hitler possible. No Hitler, probably no World War II, at least in Europe.

        The British and French. Not the Russians or Germans or Poles or even Americans. Lloyd George and Clemenceau, to name names.

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          mrdmk
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          Unfortunately for the country of Poland and Ukraine, they were between Barbarians and the Russians. Either the Barbarians or the Russians run low on funds or political points they would attack each other. These attacks were happening before the fall of Rome and continued throughout history. If Poland wants to put this BS about Russia being the aggressor in WWII in their history books, so be it. Make it factual, yes Stalin and Hitler did make a pack about dividing up Poland. Yes, the United Kingdom and France did make Germany the bad boy of the World War I and bankrupt the country. Hitler was making agreements with other countries then going back on those agreements. Stalin was attempting to make agreements with other counties, but nobody wanted anything to do with him. Europe was a mess before WWI, between the wars, and after WWII.

          Here is the real truth of the situation:

          Ever since the fall of the USSR, Poland’s economy has been in shambles with forty percent unemployment and worse. To add insult to the Poland’s citizens, IMF has been giving Poland loans which cannot be paid back. These loans also came with some extreme austerity measures which the population must endure. Now to get some more funding for their shit economy, these useless politicians are kissing the ass of Right-Wing governments in Europe and the Americas with a BS Resolution sticking their finger in the eye of the Russians. Poland is not going to fix their problems with a dumb resolution, nor is it expected to fix any problems.


          @ohiobarbarian

          If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

    • #243886
      Yanath
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      Yeah, it was those “Russians” who built the nazi war machine. You know, the Bank of England, the Federal Reserve, Ford, GM, Dupont, Eastman Kodak, IBM, Standard Oil etc, etc.

      Lol.

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      sadoldgirl
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      It is somewhat complicated. The Polish people have their own view,

      of course. That however should not dictate to the EU to make

      such a resolution. Then again, Putin should not be surprised, since

      the West has decided that he is the devil incarnate.

    • #244016
      3fingerbrown
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      More Russia hate and lies. They should be thanking Russia every day for saving their asses from the Nazi’s.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #244732
      djean111
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      This is why I snickered at the “ooh, Trump insulted NATO!!!!!” stuff.  ALL dangerous.  ALL.

      IMO Macron is a lot more dangerous than any of them.  I would call them all buffoons, but they do have weapons, and intend to use them.  I seem to remember Europe being not so militant, because, after all, Europe would bear the brunt of a Russian attack.  Which evidently the EU is now trying mightily to provoke.  Perhaps a ploy to create a standing EU army, and get all those trillions that we give our MIC?  That is what Macron wants, and interesting that Merkel says Germany will not participate.

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      Maedhros
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      A distinction should be made between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Russian Federation.  The EU resolution is just another element of NATO’s attempt to stigmatize Russia and galvanize public support for escalating sanctions.

      That said, the Nazi-Soviet Nonaggression Pact signed by Ribbentropp and Molotov in 1939 carved up portions of Poland and gave Hitler the assurance he needed to invade.  Stalin bears a fair amount of responsibility for creating the situation that allowed for WWII to start.

      His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
      and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
      more deadly than his right had been.

      • #245034
        Passionate Progressive
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        @maedhros

        The argument made in the film clip here is that by the time that Hitler and Stalin signed the non-aggression pact, the Hitler’s decision had already been made.  I don’t have the citation when Hitler had made up his mind – the Duran refers to the archives.  But the chronology of the late 1930’s events certainly suggests WWII was underway w/o Stalin’s help:

        Mar 1938, Anschluss of Austria by Germany

        October 1938, Incorporation of Sudetan Czechoslovakia into Germany

        Sep 1938, Munich Pact between FR (3rd Republic), Italy, Germany, UK that ceded Sudetenland to Germany

        Mar 1939, Invasion of Czechoslovakia by Germany

        Aug 23, 1939 Soviet-German non-aggression pact

        While the August 1939 pact was certainly a contributing factor to WWII, I don’t think it can be proven that that event happened in a vacuum and or was the singular event that tipped the scales for Hitler’s Polish invasion.

         

        The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

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