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  • Ohio Barbarian (3254 posts)
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    Putin's Policy Towards America is Working, and That Could be a Good Thing

    I think it safe to say that Vladimir Putin is a Russian nationalist and longs to return, at least partially, to the days of the old Russian and Soviet empires in terms of global influence. A career KGB man, I think it also safe to say he has studied both Russian and American history and American political history in particular. He’s also a good politician, if a corrupt one in some ways, enjoys the high life and wants to stay in power until he is good and ready to leave.

    His policy towards dealing with the United States stems from all of the above, IMO. Putin has to hate the NATO encroachment into what he regards as countries where Russia used to have predominant influence, especially the Baltic countries, Poland, and Ukraine. He has every right to be alarmed at the presence of American troops and corporate interests in Afghanistan, Iraq, and in some of the former Soviet republics that are now independent nations with names ending in “stan.” Clearly, one of his objectives is to restore Russian influence in those places, and the only way to do it is to reduce the American influence that was made possible by the collapse of the Soviet Union and American neoconservative adventurism. He also quite naturally wants to have American sanctions against some Russian enterprises lifted.

    So, how to do this? Putin’s ex-KGB. He knows as well as any of us do the long, dirty history of American interference in foreign elections and American manipulation of foreign government officials that has gone on in a big way in the Eastern Hemisphere ever since the end of World War II. He knows, and probably resents, American meddling in the Russian elections of the 1990’s designed to keep Boris Yeltsin in power, because the latter was very open to allowing American corporations into Russia. He is keenly aware of the German-American putsch to install a neo-fascist, pro-Western and rabidly anti-Russian government in Ukraine not all that long ago.

    So why not turn the tables? But how to do this? Well, watch Russia Today(RT), and it’s not terribly hard to figure out.

    There are really two RTs that Americans can see, the RT based out of Moscow, and RT America. Neither one ever utters a word critical of Putin or the Kremlin, but RT Moscow is very favorably disposed towards Donald Trump and says very little about American corporatism, while RT America is extremely critical of both Trump and the Democratic Party establishment, excoriates corporate abuses of power, and goes on and on about the growing inequality of wealth, police brutality, and is on the whole very progressive and quite supportive of people like Bernie Sanders.

    Putin’s at least as smart as I am, therefore he knows that Donald Trump and most of his inner circle, especially his family, are spoiled rich idiots who can be easily bribed or manipulated. He’s bound to know Trump is a crazy narcissist who thrives on flattery. Therefore, Putin knows he can easily sway Trump’s foreign policy decisions by telling The Donald how great he is while dangling the promise of billions in profits for the latter and his family in Russia if only America would just get along and make deals with Putin’s oligarchs.

    At the recent G20 summit, Putin got everything, and I mean everything, he wanted at the time from Trump. But his longterm objective isn’t just the lifting of sanctions(which I’m sure he didn’t directly bring up at the time), but a pullback of the American and Western European military and influence from eastern Europe and what used to be Soviet Central Asia, where there’s all those wonderful natural gas and mineral deposits. How to do that? Simple. Promote a political awareness in America, by Americans themselves, that they have absolutely nothing to gain by pushing hard at Russia and escalating tensions with it. That is certainly the viewpoint RT America is advocating.

    The thing is, that has been my own viewpoint for most of my life! It really isn’t in the interests of the American people to risk a military confrontation with a nuclear power over Syria or Ukraine. It really isn’t in the interests of the American people to pay and bleed for an imperial military presence anywhere in Asia just so a few American corporations and their investors can make billions in profits. The withdrawal of American troops and financial influence from that part of the world saves the Treasury money and makes more resources available for improving the standard of living for We The People.

    Such a withdrawal may hurt a few governments on the Russian borders, but it hurts neither America nor Western Europe, which is perfectly capable of standing on its own. Besides, I don’t think Germans and Russians really want to have another go at each other.

    Besides, all this RussiaRussiaRussia meme is paralyzing official Washington. And all the hoopla over whether Trump or his family did anything treasonous just paralyzes our government even more, which makes it less likely to do anything against Russia’s interests in its own front and back yards. The wishes of certain corporations are at least temporarily shelved. A huge political scandal, whether it brings Trump down or not doesn’t matter, is actually in Russia’s interests because all of America’s political energy will be focused inwards. A strong progressive and peace movement in America is also beneficial to immediate Russian national interests, for the same reasons.

    Successful progressive and peace movements are also beneficial to the interests of me and mine, the American working and middle classes, and at least 90% of the American people. If they also help out old Vladimir’s nationalistic objectives for awhile, I really don’t care.

    So, nostrovia, Uncle Vlad! Keep funding RT America. I might even send you a Christmas card.

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    "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  

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  • ZimInSeattle (987 posts)
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    1. Rec+ Thanks OB. Spot on.

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON! |“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)
  • Mom Cat (8778 posts)
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    2. Nice piece! I agree with you.

         NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
  • Jefferson23 (4934 posts)
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    3. It doesn't matter if good comes out of the most unlikely circumstances…as long

    as it does. There are some real possibilities before the US, I hope they work out too.

    • Ohio Barbarian (3254 posts)
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      4. And they may!

      My birthday’s tomorrow. I’m trying to be optimistic for a few days, anyway.  :lol:

      "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
      • Jefferson23 (4934 posts)
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        5. lol I hear ya…the possibilities do exist so in that sense we might see

        movement that doesn’t horrify us.

        A very Happy Birthday to you. Wishing all the very best optimistic vibes stick around!

      • Koko (3378 posts)
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        9. Another good Cancerian sign joins the fight….Seriously though..

        Thanks for Your Post! Whatever your birth sign…many here would agree with what you say in what Putin is faced with and there are many of us who see him trying to work for “balance of power” and for that we should be greatful that he is at least trying- no matter what his internal pressures are from his own moneyed oligarghs to create a balance that no longer exists given the Interventions our Neocons still support and the power that they still control.

         

         

        • Ohio Barbarian (3254 posts)
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          11. The balance of power concept has been around in foreign relations for a LONG

          time. It’s pretty easy to see why many nations think the United States needs to take a couple of steps back; either that or get knocked down a peg. At least, it’s easy for me and no doubt for you to see. Vision gets clearer when one isn’t waving one’s country’s flag in front of one’s face.

          "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
          • Koko (3378 posts)
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            14. Well Said!

            what you said and I’ll add that Putin seems to be intelligent, well versed in history and comparing him with Trump who isn’t quite as “well versed in history”…we are in for some interesting times ahead:

            What you say:

            The balance of power concept has been around in foreign relations for a LONG
            time. It’s pretty easy to see why many nations think the United States needs to take a couple of steps back; either that or get knocked down a peg. At least, it’s easy for me and no doubt for you to see. Vision gets clearer when one isn’t waving one’s country’s flag in front of one’s face.

  • Marym625 (21816 posts)
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    6. Recommended for the Daily Radical

    I agree. Thank you.

    I won’t go anywhere near as far as you. No, На здоровье, no Christmas card, would put roses on his grave but that’s not meant as any honor. :)

    Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Ohio Barbarian (3254 posts)
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      7. Thanks. It's just that I can admire a strategist, be it military, diplomatic, or

      political, just for being an intelligent strategist, even if he’s an SOB. It may not be the morally right way, but it is, like it or not, the human way.

      If that sounds like something an alien might say, that might be because of all of those science fiction novels I’ve read instead of concentrating on more practical things.  :shrug:

      "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
      • Marym625 (21816 posts)
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        8. I understand that

        I just don’t work that way. :)

        Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Ohio Barbarian (3254 posts)
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          10. Of course not. You're a civilized person. I'm still a barbarian at heart.

          Sometimes.

          "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
          • Marym625 (21816 posts)
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            12. Hee hee!

            Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • Koko (3378 posts)
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        13. In grave times….

        As you say:

        an intelligent strategist, even if he’s an SOB. It may not be the morally right way, but it is, like it or not, the human way.

        If that sounds like something an alien might say, that might be because of all of those science fiction novels I’ve read instead of concentrating on more practical things.

  • Silver Witch (4839 posts)
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    15. For a Barbarian wise words

    “Successful progressive and peace movements are also beneficial to the interests of me and mine, the American working and middle classes, and at least 90% of the American people. If they also help out old Vladimir’s nationalistic objectives for awhile, I really don’t care.

    So, nostrovia, Uncle Vlad! Keep funding RT America. I might even send you a Christmas card.”

    Happy Birthday my friend.

    #Let'sTalkRevolution
    • Koko (3378 posts)
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      16. I echo that!

      And, a Happy B-Day to our “Barbarian.”  Even if we parse discussion!  :-)  I  Don’t see Putin as an SOB.

       

  • HawkeyeX (711 posts)
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    17. Edited by Deadpool

     

    This post has been edited (will eventually be removed) for violating our terms of service.

    • Pinebox (400 posts)
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      18. Leser is a shill for the establishment and

      a “Limbaugh liberal” who can’t see facts despite them staring him in his eyes.

       

      Hey Steve, wake up! Your party sucks! It’s literally a joke and you don’t even realize it.

       

       

       

       

      • Pacco Fransisco (3651 posts)
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        20. Wait what?? That fuck stick who grovels and begs to get on any Fox show? Yep.

        I’m surprised he isn’t on CNN barking at the Russian moon.

        I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
    • Ohio Barbarian (3254 posts)
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      19. I have never heard of Steve Leser, and if you think I'm a Hillary fan, you are

      very misinformed. I’m a socialist, but I’ll settle for Social Democracy. How is that right of center in this country? Just because I think there is fire, probably just old-style mobster racketeering fire, but fire nonetheless from the Trump-Russia direction does not mean I am a D-Team partisan. Just as the fact that I despise Trump and his ilk does not do the same. Or are you one of those who believe that if one wants to see Trump brought down hard, then one must be a Hillarybot? If so, you have a narrow vision.

      I registered as a Democrat to vote for Bernie in the Ohio primary, and I voted for Jill Stein in the general.

      For your information, I was banned from the place you mention in 2009 and seldom even glance there unless I have some no doubt perverse desire to see poutrage. And what the hell do you mean that all I do is bash Bernie? When have I ever bashed Bernie here? Put up or shut up.

      "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov