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  • Fire with Fire (790 posts)
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    Question: Is Trump Really in Charge?

    Donnie Fucknuts lives in the White House and he can use Air Force One and Marine One as he pleases.  He certainly has to answer to no one for his tweets.  But is he really the guy making decisions as the Leader of the Free World?

    I offer two mind boggling examples and invite the Board to note others.

    The sanctions bill passed two months ago.

    The U.S. Congress has struck a deal to send President Donald Trump a bill that could limit his power to lift sanctions against Russia. 

    Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker said he reached an agreement with leaders in the House of Representatives to act on their version of the legislation, passed Tuesday in a 419-to-3 vote. It includes sanctions on North Korea that Corker previously said could hold up the bill. The original Senate bill addressed only Iran and Russia and passed that chamber by 98-2 last month.

    The Senate will move to approve the Iran and Russia sanctions it originally passed six weeks ago, as well as the North Korea sanctions developed by the House,” Corker, a Tennessee Republican, said in a statement. “Going forward, the House has committed to expeditiously consider and pass enhancements to the North Korea language, which multiple members of the Senate hope to make in the very near future.”

     Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said Thursday on the Senate floor that members of his party would agree to send the bill to Trump “at any time.” If the president vetoes the measure, “the American people will know that he’s being soft on Putin,” Schumer said.

     

    Yeah, Chuck Shumer stood tall for the “American people” who have manifested not the slightest concern about being “soft” on Putin. In doing so, he joined forces with Mitch McConnell and all the rest of the Republicans in Congress other than Rand Paul to undo one of the few truly beneficial accomplishments of President Barack Obama — working with Russia and the rest of the international community to pressure Iran into abandoning its nuclear weapons ambitions.

    Did you learn anything from the debate on the Senate floor about the wisdom of this bill?  Hear any facts about how Russia interfered with our election?  Did you hear any reason offered by any elected official as to what was wrong with Obama’s deal?

    Nope — just wham bam thank you ma’am and a Soviet style vote to cut off the foreign policy nuts of the President of the United States.  Trump being such a miserable excuse for a public leader, I can imagine this kind of bi-partisan repudiation of his foreign policy to rein him in.  I clearly remember hearing from virtually every Hillary supporter I knew that we should shut up about Hillary’s wars because Trump’s wars would be so much bigger, badder and stupider.

    But instead, Shumer and everybody in his party voted to force Trump to be MORE aggressive.  (We are constantly reminded by the Hillarians that Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat.)

     

    Defense Spending Increase 

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Senate voted 89-8 to pass a $700 defense policy bill for 2018 that would exceed President Donald Trump’s budget request and break statutory caps on defense spending.

    The Senate on Monday passed a version of the National Defense Authorization Act that exceeds budget caps by $91 billion.  It garnered support from all but four Democrats and all but three Republicans who voted.

     

    This was $20 Billion more than the Orange Orangutan requested.  Once again, only four Democrats voted against this ridiculous budget busting proposition, as both parties enjoyed another “bi-partisan” love fest.

     

    This is mind boggling.  On this board, we discuss the non-stop barrage of attacks on us, on Bernie Sanders, on Jill Stein — on Susan Sarandon, for Christ’s sake, for us failing to prevent Trump from becoming President.  The anger is real behind this Niagara of invective, even if the arguments are mainly lies, and utterly illogical.

    I hear nothing from them about undoing Obama’s foreign policy or about increasing the already criminally insane defense budget proposed by Trump — both of which are the product of “bi-partisan” consensus that the Orange Orangutan is just not militant enough.

    So, he can’t get his way on Obamacare.  Nor can he get his way on defense spending due to opposition in Congress.  I remember arguing with Hillarians on this very point — I said that the Constitution would not allow Trump to just do whatever the fuck he wanted to do, and their response was, “Tell that to the victims of the Holocaust!”  According to their bullshit, Trump would just rip the Constitution to shreds (as if the last several Presidents hadn’t already done so.)

    The opposite is happening.  The Congress is showing unity that I have never seen in my 64 years of living in this imperfect democracy — all toward the end of even more war.

     

    How does this happen?  How do the partisan bickerers who can never get anything done suddenly decide en bloc that we “need” even more money for the Pentagon?

    Obviously there is a font of power that does not show itself publicly.  And whoever or whatever has the power to unify those gridlocked ideologues on both sides has power that our Senators and Representatives fear far more than they fear Trump.  Hell it is clear they don’t fear him one bit.

    It looks to me like he is not really the President at all.

     

    Any other examples or thoughts about how the Trump Era is playing out?

    chknltl, truebluegreen, Tuesday and 7 othersHomerRamone, ThomPaine, MistaP, Ohio Barbarian, Cassiopeia, nevereVereven, Grey like this

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  • Xyzse (3092 posts)
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    1. No, of course not.

    I think the establishment was surprised that he won though, and it took them a while to get him clued in, and in line, especially since he can’t seem to follow instructions well.

    • nevereVereven (3164 posts)
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      2. That's pretty much how I see it. eom

      A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
  • Cleita (2564 posts)
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    3. I think the guys he was sword dancing with and that

    Bush held hands with have always been in charge. With that war they are waging in Yemen they need our military back up and hardware.

  • sadoldgirl (1812 posts)
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    4. No, he is not in charge at all.

    I bet you that his speech at the UN was written for him – with the

    exception of some “Trumpisms”.

    Think of all the advisors they managed to get rid of -no matter

    what one thinks about them. If they proposed peaceful diplomatic

    resolutions they had to be removed. Now, he is only surrounded

    by generals, who probably will control all access to him. (See

    the offer by Assange, which Trump claims not to have heard of.)

  • Cassiopeia (2383 posts)
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    5. He's the perfect fall guy

    and far to stupid to realize it.

    The only minority we should actually fear is the wealthiest 1%
    • ThomPaine (4233 posts)
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      17. Bingo

      aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
  • LiberalArkie (4075 posts)
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    6. No and neither was Obama or Bush or Clinton etc

    • Cassiopeia (2383 posts)
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      7. I think it's wrong to put Trump in with them.

      Each of those presidents had a clear agenda, fucking over the poor and middle class for personal gain.

      Trump may want to do the same thing, but he has no idea how to do it.  He is far outclassed by his predecessors.

      The only minority we should actually fear is the wealthiest 1%
      • LiberalArkie (4075 posts)
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        9. Trump seems to be removing more career Republican politicians from power

        than the Democrats have done.

        • Ohio Barbarian (4742 posts)
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          15. So many people have been fired or resigned from the Trump Administration,

          always announced on a Friday, that White House staffers call them “Farewell Fridays.”

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • RufusTFirefly (2207 posts)
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      8. Cue Bill Hicks:

      “…No matter what promises you make on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist scumfucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down… and it’s a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you’ve never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll…. And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, ‘Any questions?'”

    • ThomPaine (4233 posts)
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      18. I agree. When a president is elected the Dark State takes him aside

      and explains how things work.  They have an unlimited budget and zero oversight.

      aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
  • Coldmountaintrail (2453 posts)
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    10. they're always able to get together to do the things their sponsors want

    done.

    and their sponsors are very bipartisan.

    it’s just the stuff the people want done they can’t agree about, for some strange reason.

    but more the wonder: that we put up with it, that we don’t watch them, that we keep voting for them, that we don’t shut the country down as they rob it, and us, blind.

  • Satan (2731 posts)
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    11. I'm still going with what Kasich told us during the primaries….

    …about how the Trump kids came to him and asked him to be Daddy’s running mate. They presented him with the offer of a lifetime… Be the vice president and be in charge of all foreign AND domestic policy.

    Kasich asked the obvious question… “Then what would your father be doing?”

    “Making America Great Again” was the response.

    Kasich would really love to be President, but apparently wasn’t interested in following the Poppy Bush/Darth Cheney “stealth President (with the idiot puppet out front)” model.

    Now Michael “Race Bannon” Pence, on the other horn…… he has no such reservations. He believes that my old friend JC really wants him to lead a Christian dominionist theocracy. And doesn’t care how he gets there.

    Much as it was with “Reagan’s” cabinet in 1981 and “Chimpy’s” cabinet in 2001, it’s very clear that Trump didn’t choose “his” cabinet. Pence did, and he probably had to submit all of them for approval by the Koch Brothers, the Mercers, and other degenerate inheritance billionaire treasonous fucks.

    The only thing keeping Trump’s orange ass in the White House right now is the fact that Pence doesn’t want to be the official President until after January 20, 2019 so he can finish Cheeto’s term and then “run” for two Kobach-fixed elections of his own, under the terms of the 22nd amendment.

    Fuck Kamala Harris. Fuck Borey Crooker. Fuck Joy Reid. And FUCK Hillary Clinton & her husband for destroying the Demoncratic Party.
    • Peace Patriot (2524 posts)
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      12. I presume you wrote the manual for "The Devil's Chessboard."

      Your Pence scenario tells me that.  It’s as chilling as the 9th Circle.  So perhaps you would clue us in on a few puzzling points regarding the present configuration of the board:

      First, regarding who sits opposite you at the chessboard:  If it is several warring entities, as I (and others) have guessed, who are they?  And could their internal war – i.e., inability to agree on their next moves – result in a win for the pawns, that is, an unprecedented outcome?

      (“Inability to agree on their next moves,” as in Syria, as in impending loss of the petrodollar, as in Russia-China alliance, as in BRICS and “multi-polar” world, etc.)

      Is the new $700 billion for the war machine simply bloat – or perhaps a desperate, fascist sort of economic stimulus – or is it intended for an armageddonish war that will unite the vested chess players?

      Why and how did the CIA’s candidate, Hillary, lose?  And what does it mean that the CIA and its cabal of billionaires, banksters and war profiteers can no longer install their tool in the White House?  Or do I have this wrong?  Did they want Trump all along?  Naw, I don’t think that’s very plausible.  Reading the entrails, as we must, it sure looks like an internal war.  Ergo, WHO is fighting the CIA and its cabal?  I guess I’m asking, are there TWO chessboards?  Are you playing multiple boards?  Are you playing 3-dimensional chess?

      Is your object to incinerate the human race, or stretch things out for another 100,000 years of fun and games?  Don’t you find Enceladus and Europa enticing, as ripe habitats of sin in ocean worlds buried beneath miles of ice?

      Heh-heh.

      Can the pawns change the game, at this point?  How do the pawns win?

      Why don’t you give a press conference?

      • carrotguy (157 posts)
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        13. i'll guess option B bob

  • Marym625 (25802 posts)
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    14. On The Daily Radical

    Interesting post and question. Good for some healthy discussion I believe. That’s why we put it on The Daily Radical

    "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
  • Ohio Barbarian (4742 posts)
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    16. Is Trump really in charge..of what, exactly? He certainly appears to be in

    charge of his own statements and tweets. We know he doesn’t always listen to his advisers and sometimes throws temper tantrums. From the political gossip sites such as The Hill and Politico, you can sometimes glean some accurate information. His advisers were divided on whether or not to stay in the Paris climate accords, and Trump bailed out. I would bet a paycheck that the current Gang of Four in his administration–Chief of Staff, National Security Adviser, Secs of State and Defense–are all in favor of sticking with the Iran treaty.

    I bet he doesn’t withdraw from it. We’ll find out soon enough whether I’m right or wrong.

    He clearly doesn’t give a shit about what happens to Puerto Rico, and probably isn’t paying that much attention to it. The Gang of Four probably doesn’t care all that much, either. So Trump tries to draw attention to other things, such as kneeling football players.

    I doubt most members of his administration at the time, except for Bannon and maybe a couple of other rightwing lunatics, approved of the way he handled Charlottesville, and it is clear that absolutely none of them have any idea of how to get a bill through Congress.

    Except for Pence, how many even have legislative experience? The military guys don’t, the former CEO’s don’t, and his rightwing nutcases like Bannon or, I can’t think of the obnoxious idiot’s name, don’t, and his family certainly don’t.

    So I’d say that Trump’s advisers are pretty much in charge when they are united, Trump goes his own crazy way when they aren’t, and none of them have a clue of how to legislate or even make critical government appointments, so we are left with a largely incompetent Administration who leave it up to others to get anything done. Unfortunately, that means the Republican Congress, and they’re proving themselves just as incompetent.

    To use a Trumpism: Sad.

    Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.