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    • #336151
      So Far From Heaven
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      Children are footballs in the Covid saga, no matter how you want to slice and dice it. They became a symbol early on, and are becoming a rally cry as time goes forward. Just because of who they are.

      Children have many characteristics that make a pandemic problematic for everyone. First of all, they’re social animals. Maybe that should be phrased animals that are social. You can’t separate them without creating lots of problems. They don’t think, they just do. You can tell your 4 year old to stay at least six feet from little Johnny, and he will. For about 5 seconds. Have them continuously wearing a face covering? In your dreams June Cleaver. Even if little Johnny happens to be his or her brother.

      That and the fact that the little shits are nose drooling, slobbering environmental cesspits. They are a walking science project in germs. Mine were absolute total professional slobbering germ factories. I know Covid isn’t a germ, but it can be spread all over the damn place wherever little Johnny drools or wipes his nose and then picks anything up.

      But they also have a place in society that makes dealing with todays pandemic very problematic because of economics. The vast majority of our population live paycheck to paycheck. And those aren’t coming for millions of us. So, on one hand dealing with little Johnny is relatively straight forward. You take care of him. Like in the fantasy world of the 1950’s. June Cleaver time. Until they kick you out of your home because you can’t pay for it any more. But that’s just the start of the problems. Kick enough people out of their homes and pretty soon you have a boatload of slum landlords who can’t pay their mortgages either cause they kicked everybody out and no one has the money to rent the empties.

      So, any reasonably intelligent person sees the pitfall of kicking out renters or marginal mortgagees losing their homes. The economics of this is catastrophic for banks in the end. They wind up with useless shit all over the place and absolutely no chance of selling it and breaking even.

      That isn’t the picture that the ‘oligarchy’ wants painted. How are we to fix this little problem? They own the government and they not happy so the government wants to do something to get them off their backs and making lots more money.

      And little Johnny just became a political and economic football, for both sides of this equation. Don’t kid yourself, the liberals and progressives are using them as footballs every bit as much as the goobers. Just look at a topic posted here just a few days ago.

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/barbarian-at-the-gates-if-there-is-no-ubi-then-public-schools-must-reopen/

      The author makes the case that the country may be on the brink of violent upheaval due to the economics of the times. The only way out of it, as suggested, is to insure some form of income for the parents of children. But there are only two forms of income, work related or government supplemental. The topic takes the stand that without Universal Basic Income, the kiddos have got to go back to school. Somehow, others suggested he didn’t care about kids. I got news. He has kids. Do you think he’s advocating harm to children? I claimed that children were a football for both sides of this, and therein lays my proof. If you claim that no children should go back to school, then you are faced with some rally ugly facts that you can’t avoid. Things like destitution and living in cars and on the street. Yeah, that’s certainly better for little Johnny than maybe contracting COVID, or is it? What about it? Let’s just up and start rioting in the streets. Revolution time. Little Johnny is going to just love that option. He gets COVID and he still isn’t in school.

      I think this is a bit over simplistic, but it does make for a good discussion on how we can get through this WITHOUT KILLING LITTLE JOHNNY. Make no mistake, the author was trying to show how refusal of the elite to guarantee a basic living income (I suggest even by working) is going to quite literally force June Cleaver to send her kid back to school. She can’t afford the fucking rent, the food or anything, so she certainly can’t afford daycare. Simply put, she has to go to work and the kid has to go somewhere, either school or daycare, both of which are going to increase the chances that little Johnny is going to contract COVID. We’ve put schools in that role since the 50’s. Fact. Don’t tell me about what teachers say. Don’t tell me about funding problems. The fact is that we have placed education as a means to keep wages low by using it to provide cost effective daycare so now both mommy and daddy can work at minimum wage jobs and survive. You know it and I know it and the rich certainly know it.

      This issue isn’t actually about the kids. It’s about survival for millions and millions of Americans. It’s about the economic survival of those living at or close to paycheck to paycheck. They get into serious trouble first. But the rich see it as a double threat. They can’t make any money as long as mom and pop can’t work. Sooner or later the banking industry is going to have to absorb huge losses in the real money sector of the US, property. Then it’s depression time. So the rich want mom and pop to get back to work for their own survival.

      This issue fails to acknowledge the most serious impact of the whole ‘school’ thing, including any type of daycare option. I’m going to sound a bit callous here, but this becomes a statistical issue, and it’s a fact that for the most part, the younger you are the more easily you can get through COVID. That’s just a real and verifiable fact. So, here is what I see. Little Johnny gets to stay home and not go to school. For how long? When is Johnny going to say fuck you mom, I’m getting together with some friends and we’re going to have some fun and you can either deal with it or go to hell. Get together as kids, not thinking adults. Trade spit and kiss and hold each other and sweat all over each other playing games and whatever kids do. You don’t need sports in school for these things. Then again, Johnny has to go back to school. Now Johnny can really go to town as a germ factory. You really think Johnny is going to avoid all the other kids all the time? What kind of moron are you?

      And then little Johnny infects the entire household and they infect grandma.

      And grandma dies. Grandma is fucked no matter what Johnny does.

      Johnny isn’t a football for you to use. Stick with what the problem really is. A morally corrupt society based on greed.

      It’s killing grandma.

      Quit making kids a football. This isn’t about the kids. It’s about our society.

    • #336154
      HassleCat
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      “I have nothing against (choose one: blacks, gays, Jews, etc.) but there are children in this neighborhood.”

       

      • #336155
        So Far From Heaven
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        @hasslecat

        They’re pawns because they don’t know better.

        Teach them right and they may not take that over into their own parenting.

        Who am I kidding? They will always be pawns. There is no perfect society.

      • #336167
        snot
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        (as a corollary to the arguments for UBI) that, back when wages were high enough that one parent’s income could support a family, the dilemma would not have existed.

        Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

    • #336162
      Ohio Barbarian
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      That may be a first.

      To reopen or not reopen the schools has become a partisan political issue. The Democrats say keep them closed, but they refuse to address UBI or the appalling lack of daycare in this country. The Republicans, or Trump anyway, say reopen the schools and UBI is unthinkable.

      No one with real power, to my knowledge, is calling for UBI with or without reopening the schools, and you explained exactly why that is very clearly.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #336178
      Punxsutawney
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      Pay people to stay home and take care of the children. Set up flexible and on line schooling and get those that don’t have it, internet and computing that will allow the latter to happen. But that’s a non-starter with our elites, so “footballs”.

      And btw, what will the cost be to the parents when they are infected and sick? And even if they don’t end up in ICU or dead, a significant percentage are going to have long term health effects.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

    • #336199
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @punxsutawney Scientists are flinging hypotheses and theories about Covid right and left, and the former are frequently disproven a couple of weeks or months later as they learn more. But the media, and most internet posters, never mention what’s basic scientific caveat.

      It’s suspected that the virus may have longterm health effects. Nobody knows whether it really does or not, but our media does love the drama and the fear. They’re profitable.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #336210
        So Far From Heaven
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        @ohiobarbarian There are numbers of cases where the damage is definite and as @punxsutawney mentions below, the damage to arteries and lungs is permanent. There is even documented stats for kidney damage coming from this shit. The likelihood of a particular person having noticeable damage is unknown, but it’s there.

        I wouldn’t be surprised at all that the likelihood is 100 percent. The virus damages something in everyone, but to vastly different degree person by person. That would be more along the lines of genetic makeup, which could explain the differing stats from ethnic group to ethnic group. Like the Native American, hispanic and black numbers versus white. Regeneration ability may be one reason children don’t seem to be having as much trouble as all populations that are 50 plus. They can handle damages better.

        If I get it, I’m toast. Guaranteed.

    • #336203
      Punxsutawney
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      @ohiobarbarian

      They stay that way. Ask any soldier that lost a lung in WWI. You don’t regrow them, same with heart damage. But I will agree that we don’t know that much yet and I’m likely to view things on the pessimistic side.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

    • #336213
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      that’s the heart of the matter, not just where kids are concerned but where everything is.  there’s not enough back-up/slack in the system to deal with emergencies. not for anyone or anything.  because capitalism.  so efficient, unless something goes wrong.  and something always goes wrong, and someone always gets screwed, usually the weakest.

    • #336216
      David the Gnome
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      It is also about many millions of lives…

      The problem isn’t just the growing spread of the virus, as you know, it is the impact that it is having on hospitals, businesses and so on.  When they get overwhelmed and/or shutdown as the case may be, that is bad.  It is disastrously bad for society when hospitals cannot manage the patients – and there are not enough.

      Some 15k new cases reported in Florida earlier today.  Now assuming we do not manage to stem the tide somehow (which seems highly unlikely at this point) we are looking at most of the hospitals in the Country being overwhelmed with patients who require hospitalization and/or oxygen.

      That is when the mortality rate probably gets a lot scarier.  My town – 6 ICU beds for over (I think) four thousand residents.  One of the most elderly (per capita) populations in the Country.

      So, yes, in all likelihood there is no stopping this.  It is going to come down to each of us doing what we can.  One of those things we can do is wait – if there is a UBI of some sort, which i have been talking about for quite some time.

      In all likelihood there won’t be.  So, yes, the political and media bull shit will rage on – but most of us are in for some serious shit.  Kids as footballs?  We are looking at the possible collapse of our infrastructure, our whole damn Nation.  Primarily because of greed and corruption.

      So, hey, if using little Jonny or Tiny Tim as a football helps relieve the pressure – then i don’t give a fig.  Kick a field goal with the little bugger.  This is about tens of millions of lives.

    • #336260
      DamnYankeeInHouston
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      If cars could run on snot, teachers would be millionaires.

    • #336266
      David the Gnome
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      I am not (for the easily outraged readers like me) suggesting any harm to children.  I am saying if the “think of the children!” Line works, then it should damn well be used for the genuine common good.  Yes, it is mostly bull shit.

      The reality though – is that we are no where near ready to start reopening.  That is the simple truth.  Doing so too soon will only result in disaster – and believe me, we have enough coming as it is.

    • #336275
      retired liberal
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      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

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