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      snot
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      I’ve seen reference to people here supporting the Greens…  Anyone have any experience or thoughts re- the Dem. Socialists of America?

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

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      HassleCat
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      I lost track of them long ago, and I don’t know what they’re up to now. I was a member about 1980, when the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee (DSOC) merged with the New American Movement (NAM) to form the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Back then they supported a social democracy similar to what the Nordic countries had. The idea was to use the electoral process to institute worker ownership programs, public banks, universal health care, etc. The basic idea was a mixture of the old Progressive movement in America and what was then called Euro Socialism.  I might join again, now that the effort to defeat neoliberalism is falling apart.

      Oh, the early days of the Green Party, too. Barry Commoner, the famous environmentalist, ran for president as part of the Citizen’s Party. We got him on the ballot in Oregon by organizing a nominating committee of 1,000 voters all gathered in the Portland Memorial Coliseum. That was early precursor to the Green Party, originally based on the environmental movement, which was very big in the 1970s.

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      Jim Lane
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      As @hasslecat said, DSA was formed from the merger of two other organizations.  The larger was DSOC, which had a clear agenda of organizing within the Democratic Party.  DSA’s first chair was Michael Harrington, known for advocating “the left wing of the possible” and urging progressives to work in electoral politics.

      Some DSA members have been elected to office.  For example, U.S. Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are DSA members who won seats as Democrats.  DSA as an organization has never sought or obtained a ballot line.  It has endorsed candidates in some Democratic primaries, has endorsed some Democrats in general elections, and endorsed Bernie as an independent candidate for the Senate.  I don’t know whether it’s ever endorsed a Green Party candidate in a general election, but some of its leaders have made such endorsements as individuals.

      DSA membership soared after Trump’s election.  I think that many of the new members who’ve come in are less focused on work within the Democratic Party than were the DSOC founders.

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      eridani
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      Socialist Alternative in Seattle and Milwaukee are exceptions.  Kshama Sawant had 400+ volunteers to do outreach in a single Seattle City Council district.  This is what it takes to get lefties elected.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #312175
      snot
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      @hasslecat, @jimlane, and @eridani!

      It seems to me that we’ve got to organize, one way or another; and at this point, it seems clear that trying to do so within the Dem Party is futile – they control too many means of cheating.

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

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        eridani
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        –is that winning elections requires massive VOTER CONTACT efforts.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

      • #312754
        Cold Mountain Trail
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        “we’ve got to organize”

        –yes, but begs the important questions

        who is ‘we’ & who’s gonna get the ball rolling & do the work?  especially in the time of coronavirus?  the internet would be the logical avenue, but its also a surveillance venue for the 1%

        bernie’s organization would be the logical channel at this point cause its already got the structure for the ground game and the internet game

        the other question is ‘organize behind what demands?’

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