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    • #492690
      HassleCat
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      https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article261032852.html

      Here is another “analysis” blaming the Trump victory on Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. Wow! I never knew there were so many voters so loyal to Sanders that they would throw the election to Trump just to spite Hillary. Anyway, I will attempt to calculate the truth of this assertion. I will let you know.

    • #492692
      djean111
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      Paywall, can’t see the date or read the article.    The only thing worth reading there would be Dave Barry.

      Anyway, to dredge this up now means what?  The Dems are afraid Trump will run again and the Dems already know they are going to anoint another shit candidate?    Is Hillary going to run again?  Barf.  Nope.   Also Sanders voters did not and do not owe the Democratic Party their votes.  Period.  If the Dems run another shit candidate, that’s on the Dems.

      Evidently it is always VFTB season, now.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #492693
      jbnw
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      Thankfully, I think, we’ll never know the difference between a Hillary Clinton presidency and a Trump presidency.

      Hillary was openly a warhawk; Biden campaigned on ending forever wars and saying after he was elected that “Diplomacy is back at the center of our foreign policy.”

    • #492696
      David the Gnome
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      If I could cost HRC an election by voting for Trump?  Fuck yeah I would.  I wasnt quite that spiteful back in 2016, but I’ve evolved.  Go ahead people, run Clinton again, this time I swear I’ll vote for her – and not who ever her opponent is.  Seriously.

    • #492697
      Punxsutawney
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      Based on the write-in numbers for Sanders. Didn’t make a difference in the outcome as Hillary still won by the predicted 13% margin.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

      • #492722
        jbnw
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        Definitely killed the misogynist fake argument!

      • #492723
        jbnw
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        but I first heard the election result on a taxi ride from Sheremetyevo in Moscow – when I left New York, all the news stations were predicting a Hillary victory.

        I remember making a comment as we went by a variegated building that they could remove the camouflage. That’s how high my expectation was that Hillary would have tried to get us into a war with Russia.

    • #492699
      Punxsutawney
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      Blaming the victims for not eating the crap they serve up to us. As to why, probably because of all the recent Less Than Supreme Court decisions being made. The Dem leadership has learned nothing these last 30 years, forgotten nothing, and will continue to fail with this strategy. I’ll take responsibility for not voting for HER, when they take responsibility for 40 years of bad trade policy, Neoliberal economics and their warmongering.

      Which means never…

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

    • #492731
      NV Wino
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      I mean she sat beside Putin and all. 🙄

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #492745
      Ohio Barbarian
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      It’s fun to channel Cato at them. Heads explode. Great fun.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #492788
        Jim Lane
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        @ohiobarbarian

        Are you now envisioning that the Democratic Party, which has been around for a couple of centuries and which got the most votes in seven of the last eight presidential elections, is about to collapse?  Or is this less a matter of “about to” and more of a long-term thing?

        As for the linked article, I don’t think “blame” is a useful concept in this context.  The result of a presidential election is determined by a multitude of factors.  It’s also worth noting that something like 90 percent of the Sanders supporters rejected the “blow it all up” stance and instead did vote for Clinton.

        One reason we did so was that the argument about the Supreme Court seemed very compelling to us.  It was pooh-poohed by some of the Stein supporters.  The latest ruling on gun control, along with the expected abortion ruling and a host of other bad decisions handed down over the last few years, must be taken into account (among other factors) in assessing the merits of the choices that were available in the 2016 election.

        It doesn’t surprise me that some Stein voters are, nevertheless, defiantly asserting that they’d do it again.  My guess is that almost all of us in the 90 percent are also convinced that we made the right choice.

    • #492793
      Babel 17
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      Less trusted than Nixon was on the day he resigned. Yeah, let’s all get behind Her!

      They could have gotten behind O’Malley if they thought Sanders was too progressive to win election.

      Hillary Clinton was/is today’s answer to “And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
      Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?”, imo.

      https://literature.stackexchange.com/questions/2055/what-rough-beast-slouches-towards-bethlehem-to-be-born

      We dodged a bullet when the public learned of her character. She was a black hole of ambition, thwarted desire, and a loveless and humiliating marriage. I think if she’d have defeated Obama in 2008 she might have done better than he, but having lost made her more Nixon than Nixon, after he’d lost to Kennedy in 1960.

      The black hole that built up at her core drew in some really awful attributes, and nothing and no one was safe from her relentless drive to keep feeding it.

       

      Don't Kill the Whale
      Don't feed the trolls

      • #492824
        HassleCat
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        They were going to run Her, no matter what. Her worshippers are so rabid that they would have torpedoed anyone else. I laugh at them when they say the Supreme Court is Bernie’s fault because a few Bernie supporters refused to vote for Hillary. They would have done far more than not vote. They would have mounted a huge campaign to make sure Trump won bigly, just to get revenge on the party for choosing someone else.  And it would have worked, of course. They know how to make sure their own candidates fail, and they would have applied their skills to defeat Bernie. They knew Hillary was a poor choice, not well liked, seen suspiciously by many, but they thought they could sell her based on her LinkedIn profile. And Trump was the worst candidate the GOP had seen in a long time, selected by a cadre of fruitcakes who took advantage of party chaos and infighting. It speaks volumes that Hillary had to sleeze her way to the nomination, only to lose to an obnoxious blowhard whose best qualification is that he knows a lot about the bankruptcy process. And they’re still running articles blaming Bernie Sanders, probably as a warm up for another round of Bernie Blaming when they get their asses handed to them in the midterm elections. The Clintons are the gift that keeps on giving.

    • #492956
      eridani
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      Trump was elected by the slave owners who wrote the Constitution

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

      • #492989
        djean111
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        men who wrote the Constitution.  No matter what, I am still glad we escaped her austerity-loving warmongering ministrations.  Although Biden is playing excellent catch-up – and I am expecting to see Hillary’s plan of gifting Social Security to Wall Street floated any day now.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

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