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    Repeal NAFTA – "The People United Will Never Be Defeated"

    The National Governor’s Association Summer Meeting took place July 13 – 16, 2017.

    Local unions, civic organizations, Our Revolution and Larry Cohen held rallies to protest the Republican kill bill and to push for repeal of NAFTA.

    https://www.nga.org/cms/SummerMeeting2017

    Repeal NAFTA – “The People United Will Never Be Defeated”

    http://www.rifuture.org/anti-nafta-nga-protest/

    Why isn’t the Republican-led United States Congress working to repeal and replace the unpopular, job-destroying NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) instead of the popular, life-saving Affordable Care Act? That was the central question of the “fair trade” Replace NAFTA Rally outside the National Governor Association conference in downtown Providence yesterday.

    Organized by Our Revolution, Rhode Island Jobs with Justice and Citizen Trade Watch, the rally focused on Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, chair of the National Governors Association, “to support a NAFTA replacement that puts people and the planet first.”

    “We need fair trade that works for citizens and the environment!” said organizers in a statement, “We are fighting to make NAFTA the trade deal it should be: one where workers are treated fairly, the environment is treated with respect, and corporations play by our rules, not their own.”
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    Larry Cohen, former president of the Communications Workers of America and currently chairman of Our Revolution, a political group organized by Bernie Sanders, spoke at the rally.

    “We’re talking about fair trade, not free trade,” said Cohen, “Fair trade means that all the people in the Americas would get decent healthcare, not the pharmaceutical companies running roughshod over all of us…”

    Larry Cohen, friend of JackpineRadicals, kicks off the rally

    “The People United Will Never Be Defeated”


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    Why is this important nearly a month later? Because NAFTA is up for renegotiation.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-administration-takes-formal-step-1495119431-htmlstory.html

    “While lawmakers had anticipated the notification, their reaction to it Thursday reflected a range of attitudes reflecting the complicated trade politics in which Trump will be relying largely on Democratic members to push through significant changes in the agreement.
    Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), who represents a border district in the Laredo area, said he was glad to see that the administration was moving to “update NAFTA, not dismantle it.”

    Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.), calling NAFTA “deeply flawed,” commended the step to overhaul the agreement but insisted that “we must see real details on how the administration intends to level the playing field for our workers.”

    Renegotiation talks are set to begin August 16th. They plan to have everything done by 2018.

    Trump, as usual, goes back and forth on withdrawing or renegotiating. Depends on thetime of day and who he’s talking to.

    He says he’ll pull out if there isn’t a better deal for the USA. But, we know, he’s just another corporate shill.

    We need to start pushing for this trade agreement to do what we were promised it would do.

     

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    • jwirr (3496 posts)
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      1. It would be time well spent but I am afraid it may be too late to help our jobs

      problems anymore. The good paying jobs are over there and the corporations are not likely to bring them back. The issue I would like to see repealed in NAFTA is the one allowing corporate run courts outside a nations laws to try cases that determine who can ignore our laws in favor of corporations. Now THAT would fit into “make America strong again” but since the Rs and most Ds are in the corporate pocket I do not see that getting done.

      • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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        2. Yes, it's pretty unreal

        The case Larry talks about in that video is a suit for future profits. How unbelievable is that?

        Imagine if we could sue for future profits because we weren’t hired for a job

        Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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          15. i remember reading about that clause back in the day. i don't remember

          that anyone was doing much anti-nafta work but the naderites.  does anyone remember different?

          • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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            17. I honestly don't remember

            anything more than you do. Back then I was part of “Nader’s Raiders”

            Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
            • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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              20. I don't remember so clearly either, but that I got a lot of my information

              on all the trade agreements from Public Citizen and (I think) Lori Wallach.

            • Koko (3579 posts)
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              21. NAFTA–Aug 20 1993–THE NADER PAGE–Good Memory Refresher for Truth

              This is a good refresher because what he predicted came true.. 

              NAFTA–Aug 20 1993
              THE NADER PAGE
              https://blog.nader.org/1993/08/20/nafta/

              Here it comes! The Mexico-Washington-Wall St. propaganda juggernaut to push through Congress the North American free trade agreement (NAFTA) has hit the road. First come the op-ed columns by such revolving door lobbyists as Carla Hills (who negotiates the agreement as a Bush official, then heads a rich consulting firm representing foreign and domestic companies behind NAFTA) in the New York Times etc., and after Labor Day will come the TV and print media advertising barrage. NAFTA is opposed by a broad coalition of family farmers, consumer, religious, minority, labor, safety and environmental groups. This coalition believes that NAFTA means more multinational corporate power over our national, state and local governments and reduced democracy in our country to defend our health, safety and economic standards from being pulled down to lower foreign country levels.

              NAFTA backers point to reduced tariff and investment barriers between the U.S., Mexico and Canada. They prefer to ignore many other provisions in the massive 1100 page, two volume agreement. These other provisions expose our higher standards, say for asbestos control or food safety, to attack by other countries who claim that the U.S. is really using these standards as “non-tariff trade barriers” keeping out asbestos or some food pesticide residue.

              Second, the dispute tribunals under NAFTA are a cruel hoax. They are cumbersome, outside our court system, and have no enforcement teeth if, for example, Mexico does not enforce its child labor or pollution laws. Clinton’s negotiators gave up on one after another side agreements that would have put teeth in Clinton’s pre-campaign promises. Mexico and Canada took the Clintonistas to the cleaners.

              Third, the NAFTA agreement is mistakenly premised on Mexico being a democracy where citizens can freely organize trade unions, sue in independent Mexican courts to enforce laws and receive compensation for their harms, speak freely at citizen action mobilizations and engage in relatively honest election balloting.

              As many Mexican human rights leaders have documented, the Mexican government and its one party domination have long made a mockery of these premises. Mexico is a country where political and economic power is concentrated in the hands of a few enormously wealthy families. Forget the rule of law. For most of Mexico’s 84 million people, it is the rule of a dictatorial regime with many police-state characteristics. Can a modest democracy (the USA) move toward economic union with an autocracy of repeated repression, brutality, and election theft.

              The Cardenas challenge to the Salinas candidacy in 1988 received the majority of votes cast. Impartial observers of that election and the majority of Mexicans believe Salinas’ PRI Party, in power for over 50 years, stole that Presidential election

              The New York Times reports that large drug dealers are buying up Mexican companies in anticipation of moving more illicit drugs over the border.

              Mexican trucks, with abysmal safety and inspection standards, will be allowed to cross the border, with their $7 a day truck drivers, and ship their contents throughout our states. The NAFTA agreement gives these trucking companies years to reach U.S. levels of truck safety, which need upgrading themselves.

              Our corn, more efficiently produced, will flood the Mexican markets, in the opinion of Hispanic scholars, and dispossess millions of Mexicans (corn farmers and their families). They will go, in their desperation, north to the Rio Grande and beyond, say these analysts.

              There has been no popular national debate on NAFTA encouraged by either Bush or Clinton. The Congress has rigged the procedure, requiring an up or down vote, without amendments and with only 20 hours of House and Senate debate.

              It is time for the American people to take this NAFTA issue on directly. For free information write to Citizen Trade Watch, P. 0. Box 19404, Washington, D.C. 20036. To sound off, call Clinton’s chief trade negotiator, Mickey Kantor, at 202-395-3204.

              • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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                23. Thank you!

                Great reminder!

                Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • whispers (1290 posts)
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        3. So doesn't that make people who support these trade deals

        traitors to our laws and constitution?

        "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
        • jwirr (3496 posts)
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          4. Not in their minds. But to be fair I suspect a lot of people do not understand

          that is what NAFTA does.

          • whispers (1290 posts)
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            7. My concern here is about our elected officials

            who should take the time to know what these trade deals entail.  Everything gets hidden from the ordinary citizen, and most won’t read WikiLeaks because they were told not to by some news person.

            "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
        • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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          5. Sorry I missed your reply

          Don’t know how I did.

          Sure sounds about right to me.

          There’s so much bad going on right now, and has been for a couple decades, that this seems like it’s just not that important.

          But it is.

          Both republicans and democrats have won on their story that they’re against NAFTA. Let’s hold them to it

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • whispers (1290 posts)
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            8. It would be so much better to globalize peace and prosperity for all,

            Not corporate ascension ruling over all matters.  Makes life  no longer to be lived, but paid for at every instance.

            "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
            • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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              10. Yes, that's what it is. Paid for

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
            • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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              26. Precisely.

              "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
          • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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            16. how did it pass if they were against it?

            passed under clinton:

            After much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives passed the North American Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act on November 17, 1993, 234–200.

            The agreement’s supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

            • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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              18. No, I'm sorry I wasn't clear

              I meant now, not then. I was speaking of candidates who said that they were against the TPP and who wanted to end NAFTA, at least in part.

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
              • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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                19. sorry. misunderstood.

                • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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                  22. My fault. Thank you

                  Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Babel 17 (2817 posts)
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      6. Reminiscent of Perot's "United We Stand"

      And as we know he championed the opposition to NAFTA.

      http://www.ontheissues.org/United_We_Stand.htm

      Huh, still holds up, at first glance.

      • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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        9. It does.

        Larry Cohen is amazing. There’s a reason he’s in the position he’s in.

        We need to keep on this. Address it with our Congress critters as often and loudly as possible

        Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Babel 17 (2817 posts)
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          11. I had my bumper sticker :)

          I enjoy supporting those kind of candidates. It’s important we at least mutter <*bullshit*> to the bullshit, threats of double secret probation not withstanding.

          • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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            12. Double secret probation?

            Yes, incredibly important

            Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
            • Babel 17 (2817 posts)
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              13. Before your time, or was that rhetorical? :)

              Either way, it’s an excuse to post another video.

              • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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                14. Not before my time

                Just forgot. :)

                Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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      24. Kicked and Recommended to the fucking Max!

      This is right on!

      As if Citizens United wasn’t bad enough now they want Investor-State Dispute Settlements which will destroy us. As if corporations don’t have enough power over the people.

      The MSM will not mention the wholesale loss of our democracy. This destruction of our democracy was no accident and the media is complicit.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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        25. Absofuckinglutely

        Without the paid for media, they wouldn’t get away with half the shit they do

        Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • whispers (1290 posts)
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        27. And, it is not just in our country that the rights of citizens

        become diminished by the rights of corporations.  Ugh!  This is how neoliberalism works; corporations over constituents in ALL countries of these trade deals.

        "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi