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    • #435142
      jbnw
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      From The Guardian at https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house :

      Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

      The Guardian has shown the documents to independent experts who say they appear to be genuine. Incidental details come across as accurate. The overall tone and thrust is said to be consistent with Kremlin security thinking.

      There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising material, on the future president, collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits to Russian Federation territory”.

      The paper refers to “certain events” that happened during Trump’s trips to Moscow. Security council members are invited to find details in appendix five, at paragraph five, the document states. It is unclear what the appendix contains.

      I’ll wait for leak details and anything beyond “appears.”

    • #435145
      Ohio Barbarian
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      They had these allegedly official Kremlin documents analyzed by “experts.” Who are these experts? Who do they work for? They trot out some Russian character, which means he’s an expat, and I’ve learned that one can never, ever trust expats to tell you what’s really going on in the country they emigrated from without verifiable confirmation.

      The only other person they quote is a British diplomat. Yeah, real reliable source there. Ultimately, the people pushing this have vested interests in a new and prolonged Cold War so they can enhance their stock portfolios in the MIC. And the cultish character of Democrats grows even more.

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    • #435146
      Black LeBaron
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      Luke Harding is the story’s lead author–so you KNOW it’s true!!!!

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      --Lord Acton

      • #435153
        mrdmk
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        There are two pictures of the document in Slavic language. The first picture is in the middle of a paragraph, thus the context is suspect. The second picture shows a description paragraph and “Part A”, once again where the rest.

        The piece does not give a link to the whole document. Just a summary of conjecture of self-serving support. Be wary of this report.

        It would be funny if the Russians released the entire document, showing a different discussion.

        What is strange is you cannot even download the pictured Russian document as a JPG.

         

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        • #435176
          jbnw
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          if you use the Yandex browser. Unfortunately, you can’t cut & paste the translated text . . .


          @mrdmk

          • #435195
            Gryneos
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            At least on Windows; I don’t know how that works on Apple. The screenshot will go to your clipboard, so you’ll have to ‘paste’ it into some kind of graphics software to retrieve it. Or get one of those extensions that allow you to clip any part of the screen (the browser Vivaldi has that built in).

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          • #435220
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            The first thing that needs to be said is, the Guardian Documents have been PHOTO MANIPULATED. I do not mean JPG artifacts were added. (1) At the bottom of the documents there are tears added (see pics below). (2) The picture has color added (pink). This needs to be mentioned, where there should be JPG artifacts, some are missing. Also, the documents, for whatever reason, where scan in a low resolution. As a Graphic Artist, I have to say the presentation is unprofessional.

            Below Pictures are the screenshots of Guardian Document Scans first saved in PhotoShop format then converted GIF to present here:

            Had to remove both the phony tear at the bottom and the pink from the pink from the document. Did a PhotoShop LEVELS and BLACK/WHITE conversion to for a more accurate OCR to TEXT Conversion. Below is the result of that process. Both the files here are in GIF Format as not to add artifacts. The submission to the Yandex site was with these files.

            Here are the screenshot of the Yandex translations:

            Through an intermediary OCR to Google Translate. Below are the results:

            If the Guardian does have the actual documents, they need to make them available to the public in full, and without alteration. Also, these documents do not present Vladimir Putin authorizing any sort of operation. If any, the documents present a meeting anticipating the future, if that.

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      • #435182
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        whatever happened to Harding yesterday…..I guess it’s time for him to come out from under his rock.  Exhibit A of the Guardian’s credibility.

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    • #435157
      GZeusH
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      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

      • #435180
        Ohio Barbarian
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        They don’t make sheriffs like Brian Keith’s character anymore.

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        • #435190
          GZeusH
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          Brian Keith was a fluent Russian speaker (unlike the sub captain he was talking to).

          Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

          • #435193
            Ohio Barbarian
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            I always liked him.

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    • #435272
      Babel 17
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      Everyone knows that if this was real it would have been a “double secret spy agency operation”.

    • #436583
      Snort McDork
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      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

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    • #436587
      djean111
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      Something about asking the media to concentrate on Trump because he would be a “pied piper”!!!!!  Oh, wait, that was Hillary’s campaign, sorry!  Um, maybe Hillary/her campaign was a Russian plot to put Trump into the White House?  Has Maddow investigated this??!!??

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