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  • Fawke Em (4184 posts)
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    Russian Expert Masha Gessen slams the Russian Intel Report

    The next two points purporting to prove that Putin had a preference for Trump are, incredibly, even weaker arguments:

    Putin thought that he and Trump would be able to create an international anti-ISIS coalition;
    Putin likes to work with political leaders “whose business interests made them more disposed to deal with Russia, such as former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.”
    Number 6 is puzzling. Nominally, Russia and the United States have already been cooperating in the fight against ISIS. The reference is probably to Putin’s offer, made in September 2015 in a speech to the UN General Assembly, to form an international anti-terrorist coalition that, Putin seemed to suggest, would stop the criticism and sanctions imposed in response to Russia’s war against Ukraine. Obama snubbed the offer then. Then again, this is my conjecture: the report contains no elucidation of this ascertainment of Putin’s motives. As for Number 7, not only is it conjecture on the part of the report’s authors, it is also anachronistic: Schroeder was a career politician before becoming a businessman with interests in Russia, as his term in political office was drawing to a close.

    The final two arguments in this section of the report focus on the fact that Russian officials and propagandists stopped criticizing the US election process after election day and Russian trolls dropped a planned #DemocracyRIP campaign, which they had planned in anticipation of Hillary Clinton’s victory. (Notably, according to the intelligence agencies, whatever influence the Russians were trying to exert, they themselves seem to have assumed that Clinton would win regardless—and this is in fact supported by outside evidence.) The logic of these arguments is as sound as saying, “You were so happy to see it rain yesterday that you must have caused the rain yourself.”

    Masha Gessen is the author of several books on Russia, including The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin. (January 2016)

    Here’s more about her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masha_Gessen

    Hopefully, more and more real journalists will continue to slam this report. It really was a big ado about nothing.

    GloriaMundi, id-entity, goodgirl and 7 othersgraycat, VagrantPeters, nevereVereven, OCMI, em77, frylock, mmonk like this

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  • Rozinante (3884 posts)
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    1. No doubt The Russians preferred Trump.

    Just like there’s no doubt the Saudis preferred Clinton.

    Only one of those countries has attacked us.

    • Fawke Em (4184 posts)
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      2. Good point.

      In fact, the Russians helped us win a world war.

      • Rozinante (3884 posts)
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        3. Actually, we helped the Russians win WW2.

        Russia faced about 80% of Germany’s forces on the Eastern Front. Western Front was only about 20%, and that greatly weakened by several years of war with Russia.  Germany was already doomed by D-Day. FDR and Churchill held back to force Stalin to do the heavy lifting. Only when Germany was on the ropes did we rush in to control as much territory as possible before Germany surrendered. Western history fails to recognize Russia’s greater role in defeating Hitler.

        • Fawke Em (4184 posts)
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          4. Yes – I meant it more that we've partnered with them for good.

          With Saudi, our partnerships only result in wars and climate change.

          • em77 (2505 posts)
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            5. We can partner with Russia again.

            • VagrantPeters (736 posts)
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              7. We certainly can or we can be assholes.

              Are we human or are we asshole?

              "If you could see the you that I see, when I see you see me, you'd see yourself so differently, believe me." - Rollins
        • id-entity (2045 posts)
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        • Art from Ark (3187 posts)
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          10. And yet, Russia had signed a non-agression pact with Hitler

          and had invaded Poland, Finland, and the Baltic States before Hitler invaded Russia in June 1941.

          What would have happened if Hitler had not invaded Russia?

          The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
  • nevereVereven (3834 posts)
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    6. Recommended

    A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
  • MattSh (460 posts)
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    8. Oh god, please don't give her the title "expert."

    She’s the one, after all, who lamented the fact that Russia should not have imposed counter sanctions on the EU because, OMG, the cheese!  And now Russians can only buy EU cheese at Heathrow’s Terminal 4.  Ignoring the fact that 99% of Russian likely never eat EU cheese anyway.  But we must watch out for our 1%!

    Cheese story at – What the Russians Crave: Cheese – The New York Times

    The Tweetings Will Continue Until Morale Improves - Donald J. Trump ••   
    • Fawke Em (4184 posts)
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      11. She can be a bit pendanic (I mean, cheese?) but she still knows how Putin

      works pretty well.