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    • #501620
      Ohio Barbarian
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      KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia said Thursday that its forces are edging closer to capturing a salt-mining town in eastern Ukraine, which would mark an elusive victory for the Kremlin but come at the cost of heavy Russian casualties and extensive destruction of the territory they claim.

      Ukraine’s Donetsk Gov. Pavlo Kyrylenko said in televised remarks that more than 100 Russian troops have been killed in the battle for Soledar over the past 24 hours.

      “The Russians have literally marched on the bodies of their own soldiers, burning everything on their way,” Kyrylenko said while reporting that Russian forces had shelled a dozen towns and villages in the region in the past day.

      Russian forces are using mortars and rockets to bombard Soledar in an unrelenting assault, battling for a breakthrough after military setbacks have turned what the Kremlin hoped would be a fast victory into a grinding war of attrition that has dragged on for nearly 11 months with no end in sight.

      Full propaganda piece here

      Russian sources say the Wagner Group of mercenaries, which is sort of a Russian Foreign Legion, led the assault and have captured all of Soledar except for the city center, where 400 Ukrainian troops are surrounded. 

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

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    • #501627
      djean111
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      What a frightening set-up for war this is.  Russia wants security, the US wants power.  And any resources it can grab.  Deaths are merely propaganda fodder for the US.  IMO, this conflict has been so heavily broadcast and propagandized that the US does not want to back down, even for a peace arrangement.That murderous idiot fucker Zelensky is popping up fucking everywhere.  For me, no matter what happens, the US is the Very Bad Guy here.  No matter what happens.  Loathsome.  To make things even worse, I feel that Biden really really wants a “victory” that he or another more lucid Dem can run on.  Ukraine is a power grab and another  fucking campaign tool now.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

      VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

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      100 bodies, spread out over an entire front line. Hundreds of miles long. Less than one body per mile. And yet, “The Russians have literally marched on the bodies of their own soldiers, burning everything on their way,”

      sounds legit.

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      • #501661
        Scott Crowder
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        I really feel like this is yet another staged war. Like the Korean War. Russian and NATO have agreed to have a drawn out, bogged down conflict in order for the warmongers to make record profits.

        Otherwise, a Spetnatz team would have killed Zelensky by now. At the least, one of his broadcasts would have got bombed. The Russians have had air supremacy the entire war. It’s not a huge nation. Zelensky only lives at Russia’s assent. That alone is all the evidence you need to see both sides are in cahoots. Nukes have never been on the table, only profits. Lots of profits.

        "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
        “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
        "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

        • #501684
          jbnw
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          Russia still isn’t officially at war with Russia but is in a limited special military operation.

          I’m sure that Russia could take out Zelensky in minutes, but maybe it’s because the West’s view of him is declining – they don’t need him as a martyr.

          And an assassination could trigger WW I – er – III.

          • #501879
            roody
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            • #501886
              jbnw
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              Their budget was around $75 billion last year, less than a tenth of the US military budget.

              Reports say that about 20% of manufacturing is military, but it certainly appears not to have the bloated processes that create overly expensive unmaintainable weapons.

              After a few wars, Russia takes their defense seriously and basic military classes are taught throughout school and university.

            • #501897
              djean111
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              Which is quite different than how our government is under the Wall Street/Corporate/MIC umbrella.  I doubt there are any $600 toilet seats, etc.  Things cost what they cost, not cost whatever the captive market will bear.  Perhaps this is why some rattle on about how Russia must only have 6 tanks and no ammunition left.    They are looking at this through capitalistic  – end stage unregulated capitalistic – eyes.  Also, Russia is actually defending itself, which is quite different than how the US is defending its hegemony over the entire world.

              America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

              "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

              VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

              • #501920
                Ohio Barbarian
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                Understand that, and you understand a lot about the man. It would be bad for the country’s security to let a bunch of crooks run its arms industry. He didn’t want a bunch of oligarchs running an MIC to have the power their American counterparts do, either.

                 

                Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

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              • #502022
                chknltl
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                Well the ones at the VA hospital don’t feel like it! Those fancy-shmancy toilet seats must be for the Generals and the retired Generals who work as lobbyists for the M.I.C..

                • #502023
                  djean111
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                  https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/only-the-pentagon-could-spend-640-on-a-toilet-seat/

                  From spending $150 million on private villas for a handful of personnel in Afghanistan to blowing $2.7 billion on an air surveillance balloon that doesn’t work, the latest revelations of waste at the Pentagon are just the most recent howlers in a long line of similar stories stretching back at least five decades. Other hot-off-the-presses examples would include the Army’s purchase of helicopter gears worth $500 each for $8,000 each and the accumulation of billions of dollars’ worth of weapons components that will never be used. And then there’s the one that would have to be everyone’s favorite Pentagon waste story: the spending of $50,000 to investigate the bomb-detecting capabilities of African elephants. (And here’s a shock: They didn’t turn out to be that great!) The elephant research, of course, represents chump change in the Pentagon’s wastage sweepstakes and in the context of its $600-billion-plus budget, but think of it as indicative of the absurd lengths the Department of Defense will go to when what’s at stake is throwing away taxpayer dollars.

                  America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

                  "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

                  VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

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