Saagar Enjeti: Deep State, Biden, MSNBC team up to STOP Trump Afghan peace deal

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    • #331451
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Enjeti raises an interesting possibility, that the Russians did place bounties on a few American heads knowing full well the story would get out, because they want to see the peace deal with the Taliban fail and keep the American Empire bleeding in Afghanistan. Whether that’s true or not, he has a great point about the timing. The intelligence agencies could have leaked this shit in March, why now?

      Because peace talks with the Taliban are coming up and the defense contractors and IC don’t want to lose their multibillion dollar gravy train. It’s imperial corruption on  a colossal scale.

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      Hi ob,

      According to Abby Martin, Trump signed a deal with the Taliban earlier this year and the US reneged on it within 3 days.

      Also according to Abby Martin, the real reason we are in Afghanistan is as follows:

      1. Rare Earth Mineral and Metal rights like Lithium for batteries.
      2. Land access for pipelines to the Mediterranean, and
      3. Continued access to Poppy Fields that fund CIA covert wars.

      So the part about the Imperial and Deep State is most likely true.  The part about a forthcoming peace deal is confusing.

      Abby’s report can be found at the following JPR web link.

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/afghanistan-war-exposed-an-imperial-conspiracy-empire-files/

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    • #331472
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      Many moons ago, the CIA slipped up and said that Afghanistan has over a trillion dollars of mineral wealth beneath its soil. This was proof positive that we live in an empire hell bent on resource usurpation.

    • #331481
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      If they want to make the argument that supporting America’s corporate empire is good for the average citizen, they are free to do so.

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    • #331490
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      that Russians are paying for bounties on US troops – a story which has no evidence.

      https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/evidence-free-press-release-claims-russia-did-bad-trump-did-respond-nyt-wapo-publish-it.html

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      frankly they’ve failed every time on their own terms

    • #331546
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      @thouartthat The hard evidence for those three imperial goals in Afghanistan is literally mountainous.

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    • #331547
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      @passionateprogressive But it is possible. After what Americans helped the mujaheddin do to the Soviets in the 80s, there are no doubt some Russians who think turnabout’s fair play. I could make an argument for what is in Russia’s longterm interests either way–keeping American troops in the Graveyard of Empires even longer in order to weaken said Empire, or getting Americans out because who wants us near their borders?

      There have probably been arguments in the Kremlin over that topic. Either way doesn’t change my own position, which is Get the hell out of there now!  The Democrats are using this to argue to stay in Afghanistan. Biden, at least, used to know better at one time.

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    • #331620
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      on its southern borders.


      @ohiobarbarian

      The DNI (Director of National Intelligence) has contradicted the NYT reports that Trump was briefed on intelligence reports by the GRU offering bounties on US troops.

      “I have confirmed that neither the President nor the Vice President were ever briefed on any intelligence alleged by the New York Times in its reporting yesterday,” Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said in a statement released just before midnight on Saturday. “The White House statement addressing this issue earlier today, which denied such a briefing occurred, was accurate. The New York Times reporting, and all other subsequent news reports about such an alleged briefing are inaccurate.”

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/spy-chief-ratcliffe-says-trump-never-briefed-on-russia-offering-taliban-bounties

      But perhaps it could be argued that the issue is whether or not there was a briefing and not the substance of the briefing……That also stretches credulity.

      The Russian alliance with the Taliban has been since 2015 – and in the interests of combatting the Islamic State which had made gains in Syria and Iraq.

       According to Scott Ritter, (Marine Corps Intelligence/US/UN Weapons Inspector):

      Since 2017, the US and Afghan Governments had assembled a narrative of Russian assistance to the Taliban which included the provision of advanced weaponry, training, and financial support. While Russia denied providing any direct military support to the Taliban, it maintained that the Taliban were the best way to deal with the growing threat of Islamic State. But even if the US reports were correct, and Russia was angling for a Taliban victory in Afghanistan, the last policy Russia would logically pursue would be one that had the US remain in Afghanistan, especially after pushing so hard for a negotiated peace. Russia’s interests in Afghanistan were — and are — best served by Afghan stability, the antithesis of the Afghan reality while the US and NATO remain engaged. Getting the US out of Afghanistan — not keeping the US in Afghanistan — is the Russian position, and any CIA officer worth his or her salt knows this.

      While I like and appreciate the views provided by Saagar and Krystal on the Hill- at the end of the day Saagar is a Cold Warrior with experience in national security and not area studies.  When it comes, especially to China and Russia I find his opinions are just that and are ideologically and not evidence based.

       

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    • #331629
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      @passionateprogressive I’m really not that familiar with Enjeti’s foreign policy views, though I am with Ryan Grim’s, and he seemed to find the bounties entirely believable. Again, it really doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. I want to end the Empire.

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    • #331638
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      @ohiobarbarian

      is about the US mission of Afghanistan…But the ‘Russian evil empire’ that they reflexively reinforce is as dangerous as it is common.  After the collapse of the Soviet Union during the 1990’s the area studies focus in academia went away and few journalists challenge the common narrative…and fewer are like Stephen F. Cohen have the expertise and or the vested interest to do so…

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

    • #331753
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      I don’t believe a word from US intelligence or their paid media mouthpieces, but even if true, I have a perfect solution: Get the fuck out of Afghanistan!

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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