Sanders and all his supporters are going to be blamed for Trump winning again

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    • #289227
      not4sale
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      Sanders has got nothing to lose by running as a freakin Martian if he wants to.  We Sander’s supporters are already labeled commie traitor socialists by the entire MSM, DNC/RNC, warmonger, WallSt elitist class.  They will never accept the issues Sanders and 70% of Americans support.  We live in a corrupt country, there is no such thing as playing by the rules or a “return to normal”.  After Trump hands out multiple $1000 checks to people, watch his support soar.  The only platform that has a chance against that is a new one that’s not permanently linked to corruption like the DNC.

      Yes, I realize that it likely won’t happen and we’ll all be told vote for the lesser evil.  The problem is about 100 million people won’t do that.

    • #289229
      xyzse
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      They will blame their losses to something else, since they refuse to learn or change for the better.  In fact, each loss, their reaction is always to appease the Right.

      It’s dumb as hell.  I am not going to be party to that, and they will lose more than just one generation of voters as they have no credibility at this point.

      • #289267
        Carolina
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        They go right when they lose; they go right when the win… often after campaigning as the man from Hope and Mr. Hope and Change.

        And that is precisely why they need to lose. They are more deceitful than repukes… who at least throw their supporters some wedge issue red meat. We get zip, nada, zilch and are told: what are you gonna do, vote republican; or vote blue no matter who.

        Well, fuck that shit. Vote for SOMETHING else… Green or write in Bernie!

        I learned my lesson after that POS Nobama. Didn’t vote for Hildebeast and won’t vote for Biden.

    • #289234
      Bill Haywood
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      “The capitalists can enslave and rob the workers only by the consent of the workers when they cast their ballots on election day. Every vote cast for a capitalist party, whatever its name, is a vote for wage-slavery, for poverty and degradation.

      Capitalism is rushing blindly to its impending doom. All the signs portend the inevitable breakdown of the existing order. Deep-seated discontent has seized upon the masses. They must indeed be deaf who do not hear the mutterings of the approaching storm.”

      –Eugene Debs

    • #289237
      Zopilote
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      seriously, who gives a fuck?  Not me, that’s for fuckin’ sure.

    • #289244
      incognito
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      in 2016 and again in 2020.

      They own it.

      Imagine how different the world would be if not for the Corrupt DNC and Hillary McCarthy.

      COVID-19 wouldn’t have touched our shores had Bernie been President.

    • #289245
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      I have but one task, and that is to be responsible for myself… So its too bad and so sad that people in this society don’t take the time to understand what the odds are that we support clean air and water for generations to come, livable wages to pave the path, and put real ideas into everyone’s ability to earn a living, instead of the FAILED model we ALL KNOW TOO WELL isn’t working.

      In other words, bugger it all up your ass, motherfuckers, just because you don’t wish to know more. It’s up to everyone to know more, not those of us who have paid a little more attention to the reasons behind sustainable behavior, health care as a human right and HUMANITY, for fucking dog-damned sake.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #289248
      ThouArtThat
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      @not4sale

      Hi n4s,

      Yep – agreed.  That said, my rejoinder is simply this – my vote must be earned – not assumed.  The only candidate that has earned my vote is one – Bernie Sanders.

      ’nuff said.

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
      - Martin Luther King

    • #289250
      Fugitive Birdie
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      Frankly I think Joe Biden is the antithesis of everything we stand for, so why the hell shouldn’t we accept responsibility for his defeat with pride.

      We need to start a new party now.

    • #289254
      Bernie 4 2020
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      In 2016, Bernie had nothing to do with HRC’s failures. There is absolutely no proof the the Bernie supporters elected Chump.

      Now, in 2020, it is a different story. We have matured. We know the establishment politicians are corrupt as hell. I for one, along with millions will not vote this year if Bernie is not the nominee. These establishment idiots think their way, is the way to go. When in all actuality, there is no substance in who they think Biden is.

      I expect the dems to fail miserably again. It will be like 2016 vs Chump, except this time voter turnout will be an all time low. It’s personal for me, as these morons are going to pick party over policy. I don’t give a shit about the fact that it’s Bernie. Never did. Like he said, it’s not him, it’s US. I am voting for the policies, not the person

      Now that it’s pretty obvious who will survive the primary, I can’t wait to see the shit show of Joe, with no policies, other than “I’m gonna fix the ACA”.

      He will fail miserably all by himself.

      Get your tickets now…. LOL

      I will be a Bernie supporter FOREVER. This whole thing with Bernie and his people oriented policies were meant to be introduced in this day and age!! Many have tried and failed in the past. Succeeding was almost impossible. It's kind of a gimme in today's corrupt 2 party system that you have to work within. Just look how things have changed in the past 8 years from Bernie's policies. It was meant to be. Wait it out. Change will come. Thank you Bernie for all you've done. You are a truly amazing person.

    • #289258
      FloridaProg
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      Agree but we can’t worry about what a bunch of kooks will say. I hope Bernie runs as an Independent. I would like to have someone to vote for since I’ve determined never to vote lesser of two evils ever again.

    • #289262
      roody
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      To them.

    • #289273
      ZimInSeattle
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      😐

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #289299
      3fingerbrown
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      Good. I want them to blame me, and I will gladly take credit for their POS candidate losing, and tell their dumbasses that they should have listened to us in the first place!

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #289333
      djean111
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      The DNC/Democratic Party has the right to name their preferred candidate and I have the right not to vote for a candidate who I disagree with on the issues.  Simple as that.  That’s democracy.  Democracy is NOT having to choose between two evils.

      If DNC assholes are already whinging about Bernie’s supporters not voting for their corporate toadies, then – THEIR CANDIDATE IS NOT ELECTABLE.  Fucking duh.  The DNC manipulated and cheated and rigged for this outcome – fuck them.  Oh, and Pelosi does not make the Democratic Party look like anything but heartless corporate assholes now.  Congrats!

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #289338
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      @not4sale, @xyzse, @Carolina, @bhaywood, @zopilote, @incognito, @mrmickeymom, @thouartthat, @fugitivebirdie, @bernie42020, @floridaprog, @roody, @ziminseattle, @donaldtuchy, @djean111,

      “D” is not just for Democrat.

      Or Democratic Party.

      It is also for Divorce.

      I don’t think I need to explain further.

      • #289348
        djean111
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        where the abuser says they are going to change – and then we see their true abusive colors.  Time to go.

        The delusional hubris of those thinking that their “blame” means fuck all is pretty fucking hilarious.


        @colorsoftherainbow

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #289343
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Fooled by Obama in 2008, never again. At least Obama was a good con artist. Joe Biden couldn’t even sell a used car to himself.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #289344
      B Calm
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      third way will stop taking our votes for granted!  By giving us the blame, they are admitting that they can’t win without us!

    • #289423
      MizzGrizz
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      ..whether they blame me or not.

      I will not vote for Joe Biden.End of discussion.

    • #289456
      Populist Prole
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      But I’ll happily accept the blame for ( yet another ) neoliberal corporate shit losing a presidential election…and with much relish at that.

    • #289748
      not4sale
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      First: I was trying to make the point that Sanders should run as an Indy or D Socialist or whatever, as long as it isn’t a D.

      Second: It matters when entire segments of a population brand others “traitors” or “commies”.  In 2008, Rs in my state voted on whether or not to brand all Ds “traitors”.  They held the vote in a private home about 100ft from where I played tennis.  It’s very personal when you come face to face with people that would love to see you executed or die in front of them. As long as Sanders is a D, a D party that will most definitely be calling him and all his supporters “traitors”, there’s no point in being associated with them in any way or holding any allegiance to that corrupted bunch of hateful people.

    • #289805
      Rocky
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      I lived through it 4 years ago. I can again. I know who is really to blame.

      I'm just tryin' to get by being quiet and shy,
      In a world full of pushin' and shove.

      Jimmy Buffett, "The Wino and I Know"

    • #289812
      LiberalElite
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      eom

      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

    • #289834
      sadoldgirl
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      Thus, no matter who thinks what about my vote, I

      will be the judge of who would represent my main

      issues best and vote accordingly. Since imo both

      of the big parties are just a front for corporate and

      war interests, I shall not vote for either, but I intend

      to vote.

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