Sanders Calls on “Do-Nothing” Senate to Pass Sweeping COVID Stimulus Legislation

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    • #334337
      ravensong
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      Sen. Bernie Sanders on Sunday slammed the Republican-controlled U.S. Senate for refusing to act to address the coronavirus-induced public health and economic crises that continue to intensify, throwing millions more out of work, overwhelming hospitals, and endangering countless lives.

      “As you read this, the number of Covid-19 cases is skyrocketing in this country to levels far greater than at any point in this crisis,” Sanders wrote in an email to supporters Sunday evening. “The United States — with just 4 percent of the world’s population — accounts for 25% of the world’s coronavirus cases and deaths. And the Republican Senate is doing nothing.”

      Last Thursday, the Senate departed the nation’s capital for a two-week recess without taking any action on Covid-19 relief — even amid dire warnings that millions of additional workers could lose their jobs if Congress doesn’t urgently approve aid to state and local governments.
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      Sanders condemned the Senate for dragging its feet “in the midst of these unprecedented crises” and noted that the pandemic has been made worse by “a president who thinks the coronavirus will just ‘disappear’ and that he has a ‘natural ability’ to understand this deadly virus.”

      https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-calls-on-do-nothing-senate-to-pass-sweeping-covid-stimulus-legislation/

      The Swamp Turtle and Trump should either be imprisoned, or be permanently exiled from the US, for deliberately using COVID19 as a WMD against the people of the US.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

    • #334339
      ThouArtThat
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      @ravensong

      Hi rs,

      Bernie squandered his political capital when he forfeited his presidential bid to Joe Biden and the DNC DLC DSCC DCCC Third Way donors and defenders.  He has become the Don Quixote of the times.  A hollow man with nothing more left to play than “Virtue Signalling” as his voice rattles through the capitol rotunda.

      TAT

      Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

      - Robert Louis Stevenson

      Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

      - Frank Zappa

    • #334345
      Snort McDork
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      They go on recess and say to hell with the countries problems.

      Any other job they would be fired.

      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

      "I like birdy num-nums"

    • #334349
      ravensong
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      most often employed by those with opposing political viewpoints, in order to denigrate and mischaracterize the words and actions of genuinely empathetic, altruistic human beings who genuinely wish to, and try to do the right thing.

      Using the term virtue signaling is in itself virtue signaling, and is an ad hominem attack that is almost always nothing more than an overused, meaningless meme, especially when used in a political debate.

      Bernie has long history of trying to do, and doing, good things for others.  I’ll believe him over you every time.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

    • #334350
      Hobbit709
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      waiting on Yertle to do ANYTHING.

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #334351
      MizzGrizz
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      but he’s just one man in the swamp.

      He can’t drain it alone,and nobody else will ever be permitted even the chance.

    • #334360
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The Senate will pass stimulus legislation if Republican donors get scared enough of the possible consequences of not doing something and give The Turtle his marching orders. If they don’t, the Senate won’t, and the George Floyd demonstrations will look like a pleasant picnic in comparison to what is coming.

      The Democrat who should be making the clarion call to DO SOMETHING is Joe Biden. What’s he have to say? (crickets) That’s what I thought. Biden’s crickets speak far louder in the circles of real power than anything Bernie says now.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #334375
      ThouArtThat
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      @ravensong

      Hi rs,

      In the context of the times “virtue signalling” is an apt phrase for those wanting to remain relevant while being politically impotent in the moment.  Such has become the fate of Bernie as he is now politically impotent and will always be remembered for selling out his supporters.

      TAT

      Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

      - Robert Louis Stevenson

      Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

      - Frank Zappa

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      ravensong
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      We the People as he can before the Senate acts.  He’s waiting for our situation to become an absolute desperate matter of survival critical emergency first, so that he can add as much pro-corporate, pro-plutocrat pork to the legislation as possible, while doling out crumbs of let them eat cake to We the People.

      By waiting until the situation is dire, he can force the House to accept his pro-corporate, pro-plutocrat pork, because the situation will be so critical that the House will be forced to capitulate in order to even get even the smallest crumbs for us, or he will blame the House for holding up the legislation, and Americans are so clueless about the political process that they, too, will blame the House.

      Swamp Turtle is playing games with all of our lives for political gain. He wants it to look like the Republican Senate and Trump are heroes riding in at the last minute to save the day, and make the House look like villains if they try to block the legislation due to it a piece of shit bill, designed only to make the already wealthy and powerful even more wealthy and powerful, and gain political points by giving pathetic crumbs to gullible, poorly informed increasingly helpless voters who will, at that time. be grateful for any crumbs they can get.  McConnell is a genuinely thoroughly evil, misanthropic human being, dedicated to creating a brutal dictatorial authoritarian fascist oligarchy of the wealthy.

      This is precisely why the Senate did not address the Heroes Act, and why the Senate has not already proposed legislation, and why he is inflicting as much stress, despair, anguish, and suffering as he can upon the American people before getting the Senate to act.

      This is politics at its most evil, rotten, and destructive.  It’s just how the psychopathic Swamp Turtle rolls.

      It ain’t rocket science.

       

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

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      David the Gnome
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      If they really wanted the Heroes act to pass, they would not have made it 1800 pages long and unreadable.  Or perhaps I misunderstand politics and that is what every bill looks like.  Yet I don’t see the leaders of the party, other than Sanders, trying to stand for it – aside from perhaps the co-sponsors of the bill…

      Some years ago, Rand Paul was on a rant about the general budget.  I was morbidly curious, so listened in.  For once, he didn’t sound batshit crazy.  He was talking about how the bill for the general budget was over 700 pages long – no one had actually read it – so no one really knew everything that was in it – and was it really a good idea to pass it?  I think my jaw dropped, so I asked my dad; “Is this true?  Is he right?”  My dad shrugged, “Yeah, that’s just how it is.  Different people in different departments probably understand bits and pieces, but not much more.”  So I asked him how he could know there wasn’t something in there that would be really, really bad.  “Well, someone would have noticed…”

      Hmm.  I could not, in good faith, support any legislation that is written in an 1800 page long semi-contract.  Not without a great deal of time to study it and understand it.  Somehow, I doubt most Senators will even bother to read it (and I’m not sure I would if I was a Senator, either) they have people who do that for them – who will pick and choose what to tell them.  They will look at the poll numbers, look to Republican leadership – but ultimately fight against anything that is co-sponsored and supported by, as far as I know, only a democrat majority.

      Heck, even reading the fine print for the various contracts we sign any time we click on an “I agree” button is something the vast majority of people don’t bother to read.  I don’t.  Liability, blah blah… but the devil… is in the details.  I’d really like to know what the heck requires 1800 pages that the average voter could not hope to understand.  Members of Congress and the Senate are truly no smarter, or even better read.  Hell, some of them probably still read at a third grade level at best.

    • #334399
      djean111
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      https://appropriations.house.gov/sites/democrats.appropriations.house.gov/files/documents/Heroes%20Act%20Summary.pdf

      and Representatives have staff who can read, and, for representatives and their staff –  it is their  fucking JOB, reading and understanding and submitting and voting for or against bills.  Their whole job.

      If Representatives do not have time to read bills, then just what, exactly, IS their job?  Yeah, I know, raising money and getting reelected, but this is a piss-poor excuse.  IMO.  I wish we could clone Bernie, so one guy would not have to take the blame for everything and everybody.

      And even if all the Democrats and all the Republicans actually had read the entire bill – their party whips and leaders will tell them how to vote, tell them if they should even vote, tell them what excuses will sound best to voters and their owners.  You think Pelosi cares if her Vichy Dems read bills?  That’s probably an annoyance for her.

      Unless, of course, you are inferring that “they” – Bernie and others – really do not want the bill to pass.  In that case, fuck that.  Done.

    • #334420
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @ravensong You’re funny. I’m sure his donors in the kleptocracy think he’s a splendid fellow, and that Schumer and Pelosi pal around with him at DC cocktail parties laughing at the little people such as you and me. Even Bernie Sanders doesn’t have the gumption to call him out for being the corrupt piece of shit that he is.

      No matter how you spin your Democrat propaganda, the fact is that the Democrats could have gotten all this through back in March if they had held Wall Street and the big banks and creditors hostage until these HEROES Act, what a fucking sickeningly stupid name that is BTW, provisions were in the original stimulus bill. They would have won then. Now, the kleptocracy already got what they wanted and they don’t give a shit about thee and me, so the only way they’ll do anything is if they fear they’ll be hanged if they don’t.

      It has come to that, because Bernie and every single elected progressive Democrat in Congress is a coward. All of them. They all bowed down to the Democrat misleadership, the foolish poltroons. I know I would not have done that, so I have every right to judge them. That’s how I see it, and I’ll never forget what they did.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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    • #334423
      David the Gnome
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      I also frankly don’t give a shit what his intent is.  I care that something gets done – and it won’t be, not like this.  The Senate will not support it as is, so something new will either be negotiated or it won’t be.  Meanwhile, it is not just the Republicans in recess.  The dems KNOW this won’t pass as is.

      As for reading 1800 pages of legalese… No.  There are very, very few people capable of both reading and understanding that.  I doubt more than a handful are elected politicians.

      It is not a matter of intellect or even it being someone’s job.  There is no reason for it to be that long unless there is much within that they do not want generally known.  Very few will bother to even try with the entirety.  It won’t pass without various changes.

      So, yeah, I do call it fair to say that neither party’s representatives are going to take legislation entirely from the other on faith.  How many read the intelligence report before the Iraq war?  How many democrats, even among the sponsors of the bill, even know what’s in it?

      If you think we can accept a summary in good faith, then you trust them far more than I do, which, granted – is not at all.

    • #334430
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      “There is no reason for it to be that long unless there is much within that they do not want generally known.”

      exactly.

    • #334455
      Bernie Boomer
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      DTG,

      I’m not saying they’re right – but it isn’t just because someone is trying to hide something.

      Bills started getting longer in the 1980s – about the same time that the move to completely partisan politics got a foothold . . . that’s where the never-ending riders started taking off, as the majority party tries to get everything through it can and yes, they try to hide stuff or tie it to something the opposition wants so it will make it through.

      The NEPA Act of 1970 was only three pages long, but it passed during a period when people of all political stripes were equally horrified by oil-soaked wildlife, burning rivers, and toxic clouds of crap belched out by factories in the middle of cities.

      Another reason is that length is a feature of our longevity as a country. Bills are longer because they have to respond to previous legislation and law. If you’re creating a new stimulus program, you have to address how it interacts with the existing programs, which leads to pages and pages of “US Code XYZ, SectionII, Subsection 3A says . . .<insert wordy complete section and subsection> and will be amended to say <insert amendment>”.
      Sometimes it’s just used as a reference: “US Code blah, blah says blah, blah” (to the tune of a couple of pages).
      Repeat that for every single reference and it starts getting very, very wordy.

      So, the more complex the subject and the more costly the intent, the longer it will be. Congress is perfectly capable of writing short pieces of legislation and they do – but it’s rarely for big ticket items. The 116th Congress has created a lot of legislation, but you don’t hear about most of it – and most of it isn’t that long.
      https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

    • #334477
      David the Gnome
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      @bernieboomer

      Its still nonsense though.  No reason they couldn’t put it into simple language the average person could understand – and make it short enough that people could read it.  So much of the problem with politics these days… and with much else.  Few people have the patience to read a lot to begin with – and of those that do, many fewer are going to read something like this.  Given a few weeks, reference guides and such, I could probably figure out some of it… maybe, the last time I tried to learn another language (which is what legalese really is) it didn’t go too well.  I threw my book on Greek at my wall and that was that.

      • #334488
        Bernie Boomer
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        Life would be a lot clearer if government spoke the same language as the rest of us. That said, I’m not sure it will ever happen. I took an online course (for lockdown fun) on 16th-century Scottish paleography and the first thing I learned is that 16th-century Scots had a specific and obtuse legal language that undoubtedly encouraged fewer people to read it.*

        *Those that could read – literacy in the early part of that century was around 60% of educated males. It started improving for everyone by the middle of the century, thanks to the Reformation and the belief that folks should read the Bible for themselves – I’ll give that to the Reformation, though it chafes my atheist hide a bit!

    • #334699
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      @ravensong:

      If TAT is overusing the term “virtue signaling” as you claim,

      check your use at all times of “fascism”, which I always asked you

      to define and you never did. TAT is correct in his description about

      Bernie’s useless approach.

    • #334739
      JonLP
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      Virtue signaling is a right wing term and using right wing terms is one of the reasons why I didn’t vote for Buttigieg.

      Pete Buttigieg Thinks Chick-Fil-A Boycotters Are “Virtue Signaling”

      https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/pete-buttigieg-chick-fil-a-gaydar

      I don’t agree with a lot of right wing terms like Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    • #334743
      peacecorps
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      Bernie is suddenly irrelevant because he did one thing that we don’t agree with.

      Now Bernie is just a psuedo-progressive ‘Don Quixote’ who, for his whole life perhaps, has just been ‘virtue signalling’ his support for progressive causes and tilting at evil conservative ‘wind mills’.

      Medicare-for-all? Green New Deal? Cutting military spending? A strong safety net? Taxing the rich? Opposing the war in Iraq? The bombing of Yemen? All these and much more were all just ‘virtue signalling’ from an insincere politician.

      “Liberals and progressives fall in (and out of) love; conservatives and fascists fall in line.” Sorry, Bernie. You were yesterday’s fling. Now I realize that you are not perfect.

      If this is not on FOX News soon, they are slipping. The right’s only hope is to fracture the left (along with the rest of the country). Casting Bernie aside is a step in that direction. “Hey, you snowflake liberals. Even your ‘heroes’ are flawed and insincere. “

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

    • #334745
      JonLP
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      Back when he was one of the more liberal house members which I always had an eye my on for the more liberal ones like Kucinich. I wonder how long some of the Sanders supporters that turned on him after Dore’s criticisms were aware of who he is. One of the major reasons for me voting for him was how long he has been consistent and he was right on almost every issue going back to civil rights in the 60s. It is surprising the narratives that were used against him.

      As far as dropping out — Biden had effectively clinched it. Michigan was his last chance to really stay in the race and he lost that state. They screwed Bernie Sanders but that isn’t his fault. I do think we have to learn from it to effectively counter narratives in the future.

      This was a reply meant for @peacecorps

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      Well fucking DONE!!!!!  Magnificent!!!!!

      Don’t know if this is in service to getting a Vichy Dem elected, or just to make sure the Trump-fueled gravy train continues trundling along (with minor fixes needed to keep the war machine killing) – but, as Eddie Izzard says – “Well done!!!!”. Context for that, from Eddie – if someone kills people from within their own country (party) – well fucking done!  Really, all that is left is the mewling “after a long agonizing reflection, I implore you to vote for the Blue no matter who” from some, not voting at all from others, and ongoing criticism of anything Bernie does, because Bernie!

      Oh, and if Bernie is imploring Congress to pass a Heroes bill, and it is muttered that there must be something hidden in it, because it is too loooooong, I do believe that is casting aspersions on what looks to be the only government person who is actually trying to help people, as far as I can see.  Other signatories are mostly building campaign creds.  Again, well fucking done.  Squads of aides and assistants that WE pay for, and the poor Congress critters cannot be expected to figure out what is in a bill.  Bwahahahaha!  No stimulus money for YOU!  Just whinging opportunities.  And Slate’s Explainer goes into more detail about bills, and who reads them.  The length is only a problem, IMO, if Pelosi does not want it passed (she was pretty cheery about bills with a few hundred less pages) or there is nothing else to whine about.

      Not even attempting to have a discussion here, I think all the lines have been well-drawn.  Everyone has a different frame of reference, and the loudest squealing just comes from those who cannot accept that their frame of reference might not be the Perfect One.  Interesting as fuck to watch this play out, honestly.  Also, so easy to kick the one who has been knocked down.

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      @ohiobarbarian

      Didn’t know you were such a Turtle fan.

      What good things do you believe McConnell has done for We the People?

      As for Bernie not calling out McConnell, it appears that, once again, you are ignoring the facts, in defense of your apparent Republican heroes. Or do you think Bernie calling out McConnell on the Senate Floor, and everywhere else for that matter, is just more “Fake News” from the lyin’ librul media?

      Hill TV Exclusive: Bernie Sanders Goes In on Mitch McConnell:

      Hill.TV’s Krystal Ball sits down with Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to discuss Mitch McConnell, the filibuster and more.

      https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/458802-hilltv-exclusive-bernie-sanders-goes-in-on-mitch-mcconnell

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

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      However, there’s not much else he can do. He can point these things out or say nothing; those are his two choices. He doesn’t have any political power anymore now that any chance of him being the leader of the party is gone. The democrats defeated him and he is no longer a threat to their power. He’s not going to run again so whatever becomes of whatever the left decides to morph into is going to be a post Sanders movement. There’s no point going over how he got here for the zillionth time; some of it was his fault and some of it wasn’t. Given his history, I still have no reason to doubt his sincerity. It is what it is that he wasn’t the kind of street fighter the times called for. Such is life…

      At this point, he’s back to where he was before 2016, a lone voice in the wilderness, more or less.

      Unfortunately, I don’t see the people of this country making much of a big deal out of the stimulus legislation. This is a country where culture wars take priority over everything else, and the fact that this still where the activist energy is during an actual plague and a looming depression tells me this is the direction things will go in for the foreseeable future. If the citizenry is to care about the “do-nothing” congress, I guess you’d have to build statues of them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

       

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      ravensong
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      @sadoldgirl

      I’ve probably posted my definition of fascism 20 times on JPR:

      “Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people. The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any other controlling private power.  ~ FDR

      I make no apologies for my frequent use of the word fascist, and  stand by the accuracy of my use of the term.  Not sorry at all if my use of the term fascist to label Right Wingers offends your sensibilities.

      Example of my use of the term fascist:

      Donald Trump,  Trump supporters, Mitch McConnell, and the Republican Party, are all fascists because they fully support, and work toward, the anti-democratic privatization and ownership by wealthy private interests of all agencies and functions of the US government and State governments in the US, as well as the privatization and ownership of the public commons and natural resources that rightfully belong to all the People of the United States.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

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      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      It’s just that makes it clear that it was horribly “well done!”.

      I’ve gone so far as to imagine that all the COVID-19 neurological symptoms of brain related damage would dovetail into a population who were willing to forget about the one functional in the dysfunctional legislative body, Bernie Sanders. This is the worst of all sequela.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #334811
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @ravensong @djean111 @jonlp @peacecorps

      I am well aware of Bernie’s record. Why do you think I compromised with my own political beliefs in order to support a Second New Deal Democrat? I give him full credit for everything he has done, and most of it was exemplary.

      I criticize him now because my #1 priority is seeing those with whom I mostly agree gain real political power. That trumps(pun intended) everything else for me in the political sphere. That’s everything, for without it, nothing will fundamentally change without rolling the iron dice on a possibly violent revolution.

      I mean, what normal person wants to live through a violent revolution, or maybe not live through one? Just because I’ve long thought one is likely during my lifetime doesn’t mean I wouldn’t prefer a safer option. Jesus H. Christ on a Harley, I wanted Bernie’s political revolution to succeed to avoid all of that!

      When he capitulated in the way that he did after the Democratic nomination was brazenly stolen from him, Bernie Sanders didn’t even acknowledge the theft. By voting for the first stimulus package, with no UBI, no guaranteed health care, but trillions to the kleptocracy and the government socializing all private credit, without even holding the oligarchy hostage the one time they had the chance, Sanders and every single progressive Democrat increased the chances of a violent revolution by at least a factor of ten.

      They didn’t use the political power they actually had the one time it could have made a tremendous difference on the direction the United States is heading. They almost certainly could have changed that heading if they had just stood firm for a few days or a couple of weeks. They capitulated without a fight, they gave all of their power away to my class enemies in exchange for $1200 and three months increased unemployment benefits. That’s it!

      That ain’t shit compared to what was needed. They blew it. They squandered their political capital. They fucked up bad, however you want to say it. Now, they have no real power at all. They failed. They lost my trust and my respect, and I’m far, far from the only one. Millions think as I do.

      Which just goes to show that they contributed to increasing the odds of what I wanted to avoid when I chose to back Bernie Sanders in the first place, over four years ago. The situation has changed. My personal feelings towards Bernie or AOC or The Turtle are irrelevant as far as the immediate future is concerned.

      There’s one last chance to avoid an American Ragnarok, but all the power to make that decision is now in the hands of the oligarchy. Bernie’s movement has no say, no influence, in the halls of power, because Bernie and the progressive Democrats refused to act when they did have that say. That’s on them. That’s not on the Vichy Dems or the Republicans or Trump.

      That does not mean that I, or @thouartthat or @sadoldgirl or anyone else here support any of those three, and anyone who says so is either ignorant or lying. That’s also just a fact. There’s nothing to be gained in getting angry at someone for pointing out what just is.

      Now, step back and look at the bright side, folks. Together, we at JPR completely destroyed the idea that Bernie supporters in the last two primaries are all members of a cult of personality in just one thread!  Vive la difference!

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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