Sanders condemns his supporters' 'ugly, personal attacks' against Warren

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    • #280789
      Ohio Barbarian
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      This is from The Hill, and all Bernie did here was piss me off, and I don’t know how many of his supporters, by bowing to the power represented by Rachel Maddow and condemning snake emojis. If he wants to see nastiness, he should visit SV:

      Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Wednesday that he is “disgusted” by any personal attacks his supporters or anyone else has lobbed at his presidential primary opponent Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

      MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow asked Sanders about attacks some of his supporters have made, tweeting images of snakes and even calling for Warren to be challenged in a primary in her next Massachusetts Senate election.

      Sanders told Maddow he was “actually disgusted” and “aghast” by online vitriol directed at Warren. “We condemn that,” Sanders said. “We want our supporters to be [talking] about the issues.

      Full story here.

      Fuck that snake, and Maddow, too.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #280794
      mmonk
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      Yes. If he has a weakness, that it is it. Giving in to the false narratives of his enemies.

      Fear not the path of Truth for the lack of People walking on it. - RFK

    • #280801
      draa
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      The people doing the name calling are doing it on national networks and in print. Now they are projecting their own nonsense onto Bernie’s supporters and Bernie allows them to get away with it.

      I wish we had a candidate with some balls.

      George Orwell was right.

      I do not believe that the hungry man should be treated as subversive for expressing his suffering - Óscar Arias

      Thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit - Bertrand Russell

    • #280802
      ThouArtThat
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      @ohiobarbaria

      Hi ob,

      Yep – it is a catch 22 for Bernie.  He is damned if he does or does not bow to the criticism.

      His enemies are clearly exploiting his strongest character trait – civility – by shaming him into a corner.  And Bernie is too nice to fight back.

      And ironically, progressives know that Warren is worthy of the snake emoji.

      For this citizen, it is just another marker for the failing foundations of a crumbling empire formerly known as American.

      What phrase might apply?  Ah yes –  “The road to perdition is paved with good intentions”.

      TAT

      Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

      - Robert Louis Stevenson

      Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

      - Frank Zappa

    • #280806
      bazukhov
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      Good for him.  They should remain allies.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #280808
      revbones
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      This stuff is going to go one of two ways:

      1. She’s going to spin Bernie up and make him recover her reputation for her, then screw him and publicly endorse Biden and bring more to the table for Biden by Bernie singing her praises.
      2. Bernie is smoothing the path for her (which he believes he is doing regardless of what she does) to endorse him and create a unity ticket for the left.  She needs to have that road paved before the endorsement for both her and Bernie to capitalize on it.

      In all honesty, the better choice for her is to reclaim some of her progressive mantle by going with Bernie, since he may not run again due to age.  She’d either be running again in 4 or 8 years regardless.  That said, she’ll probably be calculating and go with Biden after promises for this and that since he’s already said he’d only do a single term and Obama is pressuring her.

      Third option is that she tries to commit to Biden but act neutral just like she did with Hillary in 2016, which is an implicit endorsement of Biden.

    • #280811
      ghost bird
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      I think he had to do that. Bernie’s a fighter, not known for being “too nice.” Like a samurai sometimes you let others seem to win.  It’s a strategy.  When you are over a barrel and things are happening very fast, you elect to take the (apparent) high road and stop speculation that the alleged attitude taints the whole organization. The Warren and Sanders campaigns must not allow rifts between them to fester no matter how they have evolved. False memes are everywhere. Bernie can’t go around saying–“but, but, this is a plot, by George, my enemies have perpetrated this dastardly falsehood upon my loyal constituents.” (Victim mentality) –Nobody buys that sort of weak protest any more because nobody knows where truth really is.  He doesn’t have time to accurately answer to every lie, every shot meant to wound. He just has to do the expedient thing and condemn the fictitious snake people and I would hope his supporters would understand why. Not in Kansas anymore…

      Yep the empire is crumbling and we are witnessing the agonizing last battles. Maybe something arises from the ashes?

    • #280831
      Bill Haywood
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      Civility is not a politically neutral thing. The ruling class and those in power do not need to shout or be angry to be heard. They control the narrative and they use “civility” as a way to marginalize and silence those who have no power and access. Bernie’s a nice guy. He’s also dead wrong on this.

      • #280850
        ghost bird
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        by the ruling class. His whole agenda is about giving voice to the marginalized. It is amazing how far he has gotten. Bernie, a practical visionary, walks a narrow tightrope. Yes, it’s a world where a misguided notion of “civility” rules and hides many wrongs. But you only have to look at the votes for Biden — those who yearn for the return to a nation of civility. Which never really existed. But people live in a state of illusion.

    • #280840
      ghost bird
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      can be made in other ways.  Don’t want it to degenerate further.

      (This is a reply to “Why doesn’t Warren apologize for personal attacks on Bernie?)

    • #280851
      Red Cloud
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      Next day Warren quits and is groped by Clueless Joe the pervert yet still endorses him.

       

      Bernie…Those attacks which were one day too soon!

    • #280859
      KenTankerous
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      and she deserves it. Here’s the BUT:

      But whether she really deserves beyond my little opinion can be further demonstrated by what she does now. I almost hope she endorsed Biden because the mask will fall of for many people. But my practical side says it would be better if she straightens up and cuts the crap.

      I hate to say it, but I really don’t know which way she’ll go.

      "If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States."
      - Henry A. Wallace
      (FDR's Vice President until he was forced out by the corrupt forces of obscene wealth.)

    • #280916
      sadoldgirl
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      her objectives. To me this means that she will wait

      and wait for the best offer from either side. She may

      not think at this point that her seat may be endangered

      in the future. She is after a higher step right now, and

      lies, if necessary, to serve that purpose.

    • #280986
      JonLP
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      No one is made to apologize for that. I’m too scared to even post at SV because of the vitriol.

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