Sanders should run as an Independent, the sooner the better

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  • #285012

    not4sale
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    He’d get blamed for Trump winning anyway but, here are the important reasons Sanders would win: He’ll get 20 to 30 million people to vote who won’t otherwise, he’ll get all the Ds who are going to vote for him now, he’ll get millions of R votes from Rs that hate Biden and Trump and would never vote for a “D” and, the most important reason of all, Sanders represents the policies that a majority of Americans support.

     

  • #285020

    Spirochete
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    Do it, Bernie!

  • #285023

    KenTankerous
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    .

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  • #285026

    FloridaProg
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    Yes! Yes! A million times Yes!

  • #285029

    JonLP
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    He was the first candidate to sign the unity pledge (he was oddly criticized for being the first one by Bernie haters for some reason).

    He doesn’t want to be a spoiler which is why he runs in the Democratic primary in the first place. He knows what it would do to his legacy unless he won this theoretical third party campaign.

    Sanders has stopped going after Biden and so have his staffers. Sirota was writing blue no matter tweets last night. The haters asking Sanders to drop out don’t realize he is trying to help Biden with his debate strategy. He will be pressing Biden on progressive policies which is the kind of debate Joe Biden needs because he has a lot of work to do winning over Sanders supporters so this debate will basically be Joe Biden making his case to progressive voters. I expect this to be a unity debate. Sanders will do his part to try to win over those Sanders supporters and play the role of a Kingmaker.

    Sanders isn’t as power hungry as other Presidential candidates so his other goal in a primary is to push the party left. This is what I expect Sanders will do.

    All that said I’m either looking at third parties or leaving the top of the ticket blank at this point.

  • #285030

    incognito
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    Any promises he made to the corrupt DNC have been negated by their ELECTION FRAUD. He owes them NOTHING.

    However, he owes his army of supporters EVERYTHING.

    They screwed him over, AGAIN. It’s time to return the favor.

  • #285033

    Fugitive Birdie
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    He could decide that based on the debate on Sunday especially if Joe Biden refuses to or IS UNABLE TO answer the questions he has laid out.

    It may also take until the convention for him to decide that.

    Regardless we need to start creating a new party.  It will take a lot of planning and effort, as well as good timing.  Let’s not underestimate that.

  • #285047

    3fingerbrown
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    Here’s my prediction: He has a lame debate/conversation with Biden Sunday. He loses the big states in play Tuesday, Florida, Illinois, etc. He announces he’s suspending his campaign for president Wednesday or Thursday. He then throws all his support for Biden, while urging his supporters to do everything they can to defeat the most evil thing in the history of planet earth, Donald Trump, in November.  And then, in my case, I will ignore him and  get ready to vote Green again.

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  • #285048

    Cold Mountain Trail
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    I’m not entirely sure, but the election is 8 months away.

    I don’t think its that easy to get on the ballot in 50 states in that time frame.

  • #285086

    Carolina
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    agree!

    Bernie has nothing to lose and everything to gain. The repukes are hopelessly awful and the Dims have exposed themselves to be an equally disgusting lying, cheating, undemocratic cabal. At 78, with his financial future secure, he should take his ideas and lifelong service to the people and run with them independently. After the fix in Milwaukee, he would demean himself by bowing to Biden and Biden et.al. will blame him when the party goes down in flames.

  • #285088

    David the Gnome
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    He wont though.  That’s just not Bernie.  He has repeatedly said he will vote for the Democrat nominee.  One of the reasons people like Bernie is that, generally, he does exactly what he says he will.

    I wouldnt count on this happening.

  • #285090

    Pam2
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    …Sore loser laws, whatever he signed with the DNC etc. If he didn’t do it before, I doubt he will do it now.

     

     

  • #285095

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Let’s dispel that illusion right now. It’s too difficult to get on the ballot in most states as an independent. Write-in campaigns never work. It’s possible the Greens could nominate Sanders, and that would help, because the Green Party is on the ballot in most states. Even if Sanders did that, which he won’t, at best he’d carry Vermont and maybe a few smaller states where he’d get 34% or so of the popular vote, like maybe North Dakota or something. Maybe Minnesota.

    Regardless, there’s no way he would get to 270 Electoral College votes. He’s not going to carry New York, California, Texas, or Florida by winning the plurality of the vote in any of those states. Habits are too ingrained, and most Americans are conditioned not to “throw away” their votes. That’s illogical and stupid, but it’s real.

    Younger people still wouldn’t bother to vote in large numbers because most would figure he wouldn’t have a chance, and most older people wouldn’t vote for him anyway. As for Republicans voting for him in large numbers, that’s a total pipe dream. They won’t. They’ll stick with Trump. Trump has something like a 90% favorability rating with Republicans. They’re not going to turn around and vote for a democratic socialist. No how, no way.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for Sanders taking the Green nomination and running, for he would get enough votes to guarantee Joe Biden’s defeat and such a move would accelerate the necessary destruction of the Democrat Party. Bernie could do that for the express purpose of advancing the working class movement he has crystallized, and he may even be able to get a quarter of the overall popular vote, but there’s no way he would actually win. Not this year, anyway.

    But that’s not going to happen. Bernie has repeatedly said he would support the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. He did the same thing four years ago, in spite of the fact that Hillary had cheated him. He will do it again, no matter how much the Democratic establishment shits on him. He does it every single time he says Joe Biden is his friend, every single time he says Joe could beat Trump, every single time he says he will support the nominee in the fall.

    Hell, his campaign won’t even say anything about rampant and obvious election fraud! Have they mentioned the glaring disparity between the exit polls and the actual results in multiple states even once? If Bernie really wanted to take on the establishment, he’d be calling for protests and demonstrations and demanding investigations and answers. Trump might even help!

    After all, that would show the corruption of the Democrat Party, would it not? Trump would enjoy that very much.

    Sorry for the rant, but if you want a strong third party candidate, Bernie ain’t it. Tulsi’s not going to do it, either, though I’d love it if she changed her mind and did so. Your heart is in the right place, not4sale, but Bernie’s isn’t. Not on this issue.

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    • #285108

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      As is possible, seeing the unfolding economic situation, I think a case can be made for radical changes as during the FDR era. To some extent, those changes may be coming soon regardless of who’s in office.

      Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to hearing Joe explain on Sunday why we shouldn’t have Medicare for all, as the virus spreads.

    • #285109

      JonLP
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      Which make up about 10 people that work for Washington Post or MSNBC.

       

      They are irrelevant which is why they are meddling in our primary.

  • #285100

    Tokenlib
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    There was that moment outside the convention in Philadelphia.  The thousands of protesters outside, Jill Stein, Cornel West and so many others.  Inside, the white noise machines to drown out the boos, the paid sitters to fill the spots of the delegates who had walked out.<i>  If Bernie had walked out at that moment and joined those outside he might have lit a fuse…  </i>

    But if he didn’t do it then, at the best possible moment, he’ll never do it now.

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    a little weird
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    I kind of think it’s a blind spot for him that he plays nice in an arena where everyone else plays dirty, but that’s just who he is.  I wish he would have joined the People’s Party after 2016 and worked to get that party recognized in all the states for 2020, but of course that didn’t happen.  I still hold out hope that things will work out this time although I can see the establishment will do everything possible to make sure he doesn’t get the nomination.

    I think we are living through historic times with this coronavirus pandemic so who knows how that will affect things.

  • #288827

    not4sale
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    because it’s still true.  The DNC/RNC corruption ring will NEVER allow Sanders to win.  We all know it.  There’s no point in trying to work with corrupt politicians and their cronies who prefer that we actually die.  They’ve proven that over the last few weeks by delaying/denying life saving aid.

    There’s no political system to work from, it’s corrupt from top to bottom.

  • #288831

    Maedhros
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    After the shenanigans of 2016, it was clear that the DNC was going to rat-fuck the Sanders campaign as forcefully as possible.  He should have declared an independent campaign from the start.  However, he made the political calculation that running as a Democrat would be more effective.

    It’s too late for Sanders to run as an Independent.  We are stuck with a choice between Biden and Trump.  Thank you, Democrats.

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  • #288855

    Carolina
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    Because:

    • the whole primary cycle has been corrupt; hence, there is no need to abide by any ‘promise’ to the DNC, especially given the fact that DNCers and  their ilk indicated they would NOT support him if he won the plurality of primary votes
    • he will be blamed and vilified regardless, so he might as well give his revolution/his supporters something to vote FOR and stick it to the corrupt establishment and its media shitheads
    • he will embody hypocrisy and taint himself and his honorable record by supporting a despicable ‘nominee’ like that senile, fraud Biden who LIED throughout the 3/15 debate and who has an abominable record that is the antithesis of all that Bernie believes and has fought for
    • in the 3/15 debate, he pointed out the need for consistent leadership and for making the right choices in times of crisis… and this is one of those times
    • with his age and comfort level, he can eventually retire knowing he truly gave it his ALL
    • Biden is NOT his friend
  • #288857

    rampart
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    even if that results in pres biden.

    bernie should work for down ticket progressives and enjoy his well earned retirement.

     

    • #288863

      Ohio Barbarian
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      @rampart Let me tell you something. Joe Biden is directly responsible for costing me over $8000 by his bankruptcy reform. Debt that would have been liquidated before I have to pay back now, plus court fees went up exponentially. Joe Biden is responsible for my wife being unable to work without her pay being garnished because she took out student loans on what happened to be a fraudulent program.

      Trump hasn’t gotten us into any new wars. Biden is a warmongering imperialist who will definitely get into new wars.

      Don’t ask me to vote for that son of a bitch. If I’m pushed too hard, I’ll vote for Trump over him as the lesser of two evils. You Vote Blue No Matter Whoers better get that through your heads right now. 

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      • #288888

        Maedhros
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        George W. Bush was Globbu “Beast” Rabban…so they gave us Obama as our Feyd Rautha.

        Swap “Trump” for “Bush” and “Biden” for “Obama.”  Wash, rinse, repeat.

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        but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
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    • #288867

      not4sale
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      Biden will lose like “Her Turn” did.  The same idiotic conceit the corrupt DNCbots had in 2016 that Hillary was sure to win is still infecting the minds of “return to normal” Biden supporters.  The status quo is dead in the minds of everyone under the age of 35 and they won’t vote for Biden, they’ll stay home; so will many Sander’s supporters that are sick of the “normal” corruption that rules the country.

    • #288871

      Carolina
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      who is actually a Republican.

      It is actually better to have a Republican POTUS, rout the DNC types and perhaps get Dems to put up some sort of fight in Congress, than to have a Dem POTUS a la Obama-Biden with their Grand Bargain which would have killed SS and Medicare and which was defeated by the Tea Party!

      Think about that… the fucking Tea Party saved us from an awful, destructive Obama Biden policy.

      Fuck Biden and the Dems

       

  • #288893

    Segami
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    Bernie running as an ‘independent’ is a wishful progressive pipe dream…..period! Bernie doesn’t have the metal fortitude to take it to the Democratic Party now for fear of being labeled a bitter, old spoiler who’s helping RW republicans get elected.

     

    Anyone who watched the last ‘one-on-one’ debate with Biden would have quickly surmised that candidate Bernie was NOT WILLING to vet Biden with facts. I’m not saying that Bernie should have turned the debate into a slug-fest,…..no, not at all…..BUT he needed to come out strong and expose Biden’s career positions as lies against the people’s interests…..It was evident that Bernie was NOT WILLING to enter the arena in that light…….And once again, Bernie never prepped for this or all other past debates which has always rubbed me in the worst way about his debate decisions …….Reciting stump speech bullet points at every debate just wasn’t going to cut it anymore when voters wanted to hear ‘some meat’ on their candidate’s ideas in reference to their concerns and NOT come off sounding like they’re on ‘auto-drive’ reading scripted stump-speech cue cards in response to every moderator’s question………

     

    If Bernie were going to take the indy route, he would have given immediate notice at his presidential announcement presser in 2019…..period! Any thoughts about Bernie running as an independent now can only be realized and enjoyed in Fantasyland, but not in this world today.

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  • #309768

    not4sale
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    I could care less about “spoiler” laws or any other bullshit created by the corrupted aholes that rig elections.

  • #309894

    eridani
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    That would have zero relevance for building an independent progressive party, which can only succeed by taking nationwide voter contact seriously.

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  • #309898

    Betty Karlson
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    who is about to be crowned.

     

    But yes, he should.

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