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    Sanders: Trump is 'right' on pharma comments

     

    January 11, 2017 8:14 PM EST – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) released a Facebook video saying that President-elect Donald Trump was “right” about his comments claiming that pharmaceutical companies are “getting away with murder.” (Facebook/U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/sanders-trump-is-right-on-pharma-comments/2017/01/11/ac1207d8-d864-11e6-a0e6-d502d6751bc8_video.html

     

     

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    • id-entity (2015 posts)
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      1. Good.

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    • Hawkowl (1239 posts)
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      2. Words have meaning

      It is an ironic tragedy that we have to rely on a Giant Talking Yam to correctly name the big pharma syndicate as murderers.

      It is a great credit to Bernie that he credit anyone who speaks the truth.

      "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Burke
      • Caretha (614 posts)
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        11. We can't just rely on Bernie

        to speak the truth.  We are the Revolution and we must now stand up and speak the truth too.

        The election is over.  The biggest problem that the Democrats had  when Obama was President was not speaking the truth. I belonged to the same web site as many here did.  When we spoke up, we were shut down by the silliest among us. I’m no longer willing to be silenced by some juvenile asshole that thinks they are cute and funny by repeating the latest fad in cutsey crap such as i.e. – ponies, unicorns and 12 dimensional chess. Not an original thought among them.  Just partisan games – like this is football or something and not life.

        Calling Trump or Obama names just distracts from the issues.  Adults should not lower themselves to those type of games, because what has happened to our country and is happening is real and has real consequences.

        Bernie is smart, I grant you – but his biggest asset is he acts and speaks like an adult, and has the ability to tell the truth.

        We are also smart and can speak the truth. I for one will not be shut down again by rabble-rousers.  It’s a loosing proposition.

        "But the moment eloquence or the language of debate enters, true reasoning becomes impossible. For the purpose of the debater is not to find the truth but to win the argument, and to this end he will often stray as far as possible from the real issues"   "Eloquence and debate are designed, not to decide issues, but to sway people, for this reason they lean heavily on appeals to emotion and prejudice, and make use of neat, clever, and sometimes humorous turns of phrase rather than profound analysis of ideas" "Of all this Confucious was contemptuous" Confucious by H. G. Creel 1913, Chapter "The Teacher"
        • hopemountain (1380 posts)
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          20. yes, we're burnin' daylight on democracy –

          time to do all we can pro-actively. no time for infantile “games”.

          "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth ....
    • jdpriestly (4499 posts)
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      3. I hope that Bernie and Trump cooperate on this matter.

      This could reduce our healthcare costs a great deal and make healthcare more affordable.

      It is important to do this the right way because we don’t want to discourage innovation or investment in new medications.  It would be also great if we could be sure that our medications are tested and analyzed by objective scientists before they are sold widely.  In several cases, we have learned only after the unnecessary loss of lives that fairly commonly used medications had not been adequately tested and were in fact harmful in ways we did not realize.

      I’m glad that Trump is willing to work on this issue.  Bernie has been talking about it for a long time.  He took seniors to Canada many years ago as I recall.

      No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
      • azurnoir (1676 posts)
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        4. thank you for saying that and I agree

        • jdpriestly (4499 posts)
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          5. I'm 73 but pretty healthy, however, I do have to use a special hydrocortisone

          oil on my skin from time to time.  It is outrageously expensive.  So this issue hits home for me.

          The Republicans want to cut Medicare benefits.  They should cut the amounts paid for ordinary medications rather than cutting benefits to patients.  There is a lot to be saved on the pharmaceuticals.  And if low-income seniors could afford and took their medications more regularly, Medicare in general might save some money.  That would be great.

          But as I said, we don’t want to be so cheap that the pharmaceutical companies become inefficient, uncreative or ineffective.  So it is a matter of balance.

          By the way, how can evil be accompanied by grace?

          What kind of grace is meant in that statement?  I think of grace as a spiritual quality, so I don’t see it as possibly associated with evil.  What’s your thought on that?  I’m really asking for the sake of discussion and not to put you down.  I am interested in what you understand that to mean.

          No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
          • PADemD (825 posts)
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            9. Rae Carson

            Rae Carson is the New York Times and USA Today bestselling author of award-winning fantasy and historical fiction.

            https://www.amazon.com/Rae-Carson/e/B005M76I84

            • jdpriestly (4499 posts)
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              17. The phrase is very striking, but I don't know what it is meant to mean.

              It must have come from some context that clarifies its meaning.

              No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
          • davidlynch (102 posts)
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            13. Me too I don't understand evil plus grace…

            if anyone can make sense of this please post, I am curious what examples were in mind.

          • 2cannan (1181 posts)
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            18. I agree with most everything you say, jdpriestly, but there is lots of fat that

            can be cut from the drug co. CEOs’ outrageous salaries and all of the frickin’ advertising drug companies do (however that may have an impact on the cost of TV and cable programming since it will mean lost revenue for those other thieves). I also think lots of the creativity comes from research universities which get lots of federal funding from our taxes. Another issue is patent protection. The economist Dean Baker has a really good article about this:

            How intellectual property rules help the rich and hurt the poor
            http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/column-intellectual-property-rules-help-the-rich/

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            The impact of these stronger protections is most visible in the area of prescription drugs. We will spend over $430 billion in 2016 (2.3 percent of GDP) on drugs that would likely sell for 10 to 20 percent of this amount in a free market. In addition to patent protection, drug manufacturers can also now enjoy data exclusivity for test data and a wide variety of other protections that act to prevent generic competition.

            The problem associated with excessive protection of intellectual property is vividly illustrated with the Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi. This drug has a list price in the United States of $84,000 for a three month course of treatment. A high-quality generic version is available in India for $200. Insurers and governments have struggled to come up with the money to pay for Sovaldi and, in many cases, have sought to deny treatment to patients. If Sovaldi could be purchased at its generic price, the cost of treatment would be a non-issue for those with Hepatitis C.

            Those who developed and marketed Sovaldi are now getting very rich as a result of its high price. But this is not a story of technology making them rich; it is a story of government-granted patent monopolies making them rich.

            • jdpriestly (4499 posts)
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              19. Imagine a world in which tunes like Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star or Mary Had A

              Little Lamb or Onward Christian Soldiers or Silent Night or other common tunes were still under strict copyright.

              Mozart wrote a wonderful variation on a tune like Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.  A lot of our great classical composers wrote variations on common folk songs.    Jazz musicians use well known music and improvise on them.  If copyright laws in music were as strict as they are in certain other areas we wouldn’t have a lot of our music. We have pretty much a twelve-tone system after all.  So inevitably those twelve tones are going to be rearranged in similar patterns just by chance once in a while.

              Those who create for a living need to be able to profit from the use of their creations.  There has to be some fair way to write intellectual property laws.  But it’s never going to be perfect.

              No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
      • PennLawyer (1891 posts)
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        8. Big Pharma only researches drugs w/ big $$$$ potential; treatments/not cures

        Advancements in malaria vaccines were neglected for decades because malaria was a 3rd world problem.  Same for mosquito borne dengue fever.  Now with global climate change, these particular mosquitoes are ranging farther north,  so some attention is being paid.  Dengue was first reported in Florida (the Keys) in 2010.  Here’s the CDC  latest, 2016 map:

         

        Also in Hawaii.

        Bet you never heard of Chikungunya Fever, but it’s also up and coming on the disease scene.

        Chikungunya Fever is a viral disease, a mosquito-borne pathogen, similar to Dengue Fever.  The disease is transmitted by mosquitoes of the Aedes genus, the same type of mosquitoes that transmit the Dengue Fever Virus.

        Chikungunya Fever is endemic to Asia, Africa and the Indian Subcontinent. A large outbreak was reported in 2006-2007 in India, and several other countries in southeast Asia. Italy experienced an outbreak of the disease in the northeastern portion of the country in 2007 as well.

        There is no known cure for the disease. The virus is transmitted from human to human by the bites of infected female mosquitoes of the Aedes aegypti and Aedes albopictus genus, two species which can also transmit the dengue fever virus. These mosquitoes can be found biting throughout daylight hours, although there may be peaks of activity in the early morning and late afternoon. 

      • pacalo (112 posts)
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        23. I agree.

    • Piperay (465 posts)
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      6. Good for Bernie, good for Trump, they're correct. nt

      BERNIE SANDERS 2020
    • Enthusiast (6592 posts)
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      7. Kicked and Recommended to the Max Max Max!

      :bounce:

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
    • goodgirl (2183 posts)
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      10. Yes, Trump is right.

      And I hope he does something about it.

      Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
    • GZeusH (1182 posts)
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      12. Yes!

      This is one point of agreement to seize upon and build upon.  Next point is the TPP, they both ran against it.  Maybe there is some hope&change left after all.

      Policy:  The mistaken notion that bossy people have that they can influence other people's behavior through majority rule.
    • TRex (1814 posts)
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      14. BSanders a MMoore share a feature in their brain, it is called objectivity.

      Seems to be dangerous to the D.C. Bubble. In reality, it is Washington D.C. that writes the laws and allows these groups to get away with murder.

      So who are you madder at? The people that get away with it or the people that write the laws to allow them to? I couldn’t believe the first time I heard Death being listed as a ‘side effect’ on a drug that costs $400 dollars a pill.

      For that price I better grow fucking wings and start flying to work. Gas prices are about to go way up.

      I never promised you a rose garden.
    • nxylas (233 posts)
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      15. Oh God

      Better stay off Twitter for a couple of days, the Hillbots infesting my feed are going to blow a fucking gasket.

      "Slavery followed, even voluntary slavery; the weak eagerly submitted to the strong, on condition that the latter aided them to subdue the still weaker. Then there were saints who came to these people, weeping, and talked to them of their pride, of their loss of harmony and due proportion, of their loss of shame. They were laughed at or pelted with stones." - Dostoevsky, The Dream of a Ridiculous Man
    • OCMI (1165 posts)
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      16. Bernie is advancing reforms needed by the 99%. Hope Dems learn something

      He is giving credit where it is due regardless of the political party of the recipient.  Building common ground to advance a cause is not done by hurling insults and slander, but by sticking to the truth on topics on which there can be agreement and arguing logically where there is none readily apparent.

      If you dislike Trump, you should vote for him so we can change his party from within. Yes, Hillary supporters, this is how ridiculous you sound.
    • Xyzse (1848 posts)
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      21. Yes, he's right.

      Still, talk is cheap.

      I wonder about the follow through.  If he does, then he’s already ahead.

    • Ohio Barbarian (1838 posts)
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      22. Trump has said nice things about single payer systems in the past.

      He understands they are good for business because then businesses don’t have to worry about their employees’ health care. He’s also said that businesses above a certain size should be required to provide free daycare. That said, he must be judged by his actions, not his words. We shall see.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire