Saudi oil facility was defended by US Patriot missile system

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    • #155812
      jbnw
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      From RT, providing news we won’t likely hear otherwise:

      “Patriot missiles failed to protect Saudi Arabia from attack because even the world’s best anti-air systems sometimes don’t work, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has said, expertly rebuking critics of the US defense industry.

      Washington was left red in the face after missiles and armed drones successfully penetrated Saudi airspace – which is guarded by an arsenal of fancy US-made Patriot systems – hitting a major oil facility in the country.” (from RT)

      And here’s the confirmation directly from the State Department:

      “SECRETARY POMPEO:  Look, anytime – we’ve seen air defense systems all around the world have mixed success.  Some of the finest in the world don’t always pick things up.  We want to work to make sure that infrastructure and resources are put in place such that attacks like this would be less successful than this one appears to have been.  That’s certainly the case.”

      Of course, it also makes me wonder if this was permitted, just so we would have our “justification” to invade.  But then, that’s a separate discussion topic for Creative Speculation . . .

    • #155819
      elias39
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      Will Trump give the Saudis a refund – defective equipment? You notice that Turkey is buying Russian.

    • #155830
      HassleCat
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      Remember “scud busters” from 1990? All you had to do was watch TV to figure out they missed most of the time. Raytheon made pretty good vacuum tubes, so maybe they should stick with that.

    • #155882
      jbnw
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      Rather than a refund, it’s an opportunity to provide more much-needed equipment!

      “He went on to suggest that Saudi Arabia simply doesn’t have enough (US-made) “infrastructure” to stop such an attack, and that Washington will work with the Kingdom to alleviate this problem. Sounds expensive.”

      No sarcasm in Pompeo’s reply . . .

    • #155885
      jbnw
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      I wonder if the Saudis are now wishing they’d gotten those S-400s – or if it’s all part of a larger game.  From DefenseNews (yes, really!)

      “After Turkey insisted on acquiring the Russian-made S-400 air defense system, the Trump administration wisely decided July 17 to remove Turkey from the F-35 fighter program. Yet, in addition to Turkey, three U.S. partners — Saudi Arabia, Qatar and India — are either considering or procuring the S-400. They would be wise to reconsider.

      Tass, the Russian news agency, reported in February that Russia and Saudi Arabia were “holding additional consultations on a contract” to supply Riyadh with the S-400. Saudi Arabia and the United States have enjoyed a long-standing security relationship, as both countries seek to counter Iran. However, Riyadh’s tactics in Yemen and deplorable human rights record, as well as the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi, have severely strained the U.S.-Saudi relationship.”

    • #155957
      HubHeaver
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      I remember a British ship that was sunk by Argentine forces during the Falklands War.  The British ship’s electronic defense didn’t recognize the incoming missile as hostile.

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      Apparently whoever was behind the attack didn’t let the Saudi’s know when and from which direction they would be coming from. Unlike in all the successful tests.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
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      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      it also makes me wonder if this was permitted, just so we would have our “justification” to invade.

      Well, of course, jbnw… We’re off our numbers to recruit for the military from 2018. LIHOP, as they say. Besides, the military has to have to have a major distraction from all the anti-fracking and marches to save our planet in order to re-infuse the war machine.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #157952
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The Patriot missile defense system isn’t state of the art system by any means. It’s old, as such things go, over 15 years old with a few improvements added. It’s also not nearly as profitable for the defense industry as things like aircraft carriers, multi-purpose aircraft that don’t perform very well, helicopters that crash a lot; you know, big ticket items. Missiles are relatively cheap and not as good for defense corporation stock prices.

      And if the system’s radar is pointed the wrong way, it never sees an enemy missile coming. OTOH, it’s sold as a point-defense weapon, so to maybe protect a place you have to surround a site with hundreds of the things, which does add up in costs for the buyer.

      The Russian S-400 missile defense is far superior, according to experts in multiple countries.

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    • #157954
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      I doubt it’s LIHOP. The Patriot missile system really and truly does suck. Always has. I don’t know what the failure rate is, but it’s bound to be over 10% and may be as high as 40%, and it wasn’t designed to defend against drones, which can be remote-guided in by human controllers. It was designed to defend against ICBMs and Scuds, remember?

      No, with typical American arrogance, our brilliant leaders just assumed those ragtag towel-headed Houthi Arabs would never figure out how to use drone technology. Much like a lot of American CTers seem to think–those Third World types couldn’t have pulled this off on their own, therefore our own government must have been behind it all. Sounds ethnocentric to me.

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      L0oniX
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      Maybe the US should be buying S-400’s since they are cheaper and better than that made in China Patriot junk.

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