Scott Ritter: The Hell with the Peace Movement

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    • #498518
      jbnw
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      Scott Ritter: I’m joining the War Movement

      I once helped lead a million-person march against the war in Iraq through the streets of London.

      I spent untold hours traveling the width and breadth of the United States and the world advocating against the war in Iraq.

      And I believe that, it after attempting all of this, and failing, I believe that you wage war with a vengeance, seeking the shortest possible path toward decisive conflict resolution. I support not using civilians as human shields. I support the proper treatment of prisoners of war. I support a prohibition against the torture and murder of civilians. I support international humanitarian law and strict adherence to the law of war.

      My bottom line is this—if you want peace, join the pro-war movement. If you side with the peace movement or its progeny, the anti-war movement, all you will get is hypocrisy, death and destruction.

      https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/the-hell-with-the-peace-movement

    • #498519
      jbnw
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      I stand with Ukrainians – all Ukrainians.

      While the US has officially sent billions in “humanitarian aid” to Ukraine, it hasn’t reached my Ukrainian friends and relatives still in Ukraine. We continue to support them directly as the economy collapses.

      And I don’t know how long we’ll be able to do it if the banking system networks and banking system collapses and there’s no longer a way to send money directly.

    • #498521
      djean111
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      the war that the US/NATO/EU assiduously fucking nurtured and are STILL sending arms to prolong the battle – FFS.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

      VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

    • #498546
      Utopian Leftist
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      throwing the baby out with the bathwater!

      If I ever become that cynical, please shoot me and put the world out of MY misery.

      The pro-war movement knows no politics—it’s about defending the nation, with the understanding that comes only from knowing the true cost of war that avoiding war is the best service one can provide in the service of your fellow citizens.

      So you’re going to let a little hypocrisy send you barreling over into the dark side? No thanks. I agree that there is plenty of hypocrisy among those who support Ukraine. That does not mean or even imply that all hope for peace is lost. There is no peace movement in the US because the media control the narrative, which states that the US is always at peace (even though we are in fact always at war). So why blame those who sincerely seek peace? Blame those who make real peace impossible. The day I become pro-war is the day I become a hypocrite. And I will not allow ANYONE to drag me to that level! If having hope for humanity makes me a fool, count me happily dead for peace.

      “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
      "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

      • #498613
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Besides, Ritter comes right out and says he’s not a pacifist. His is a warrior’s perspective, a warrior who has seen the true horror and cost of war for himself, and believes war is the ultimate last resort.

        Which makes Scott Ritter more anti-war than any Democrat in Congress right now.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #498629
          Utopian Leftist
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          Either my satire detector has become faulty or reality has become so cynical that satire is no longer detectable. Combo of both?

          Well, reality put the Onion out of business. They used to be hilarious. Now it’s mostly just annoying because their satire is too believable.

          “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
          "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

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      ozoneman
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      It seems that the peace movement died soon after the Iraq invasion, when at least there were marches in the big cities and peace vigils in small cities.

      Biden and Obama are as bad or worse than Bush, since they just use mercenary armies and employ terrorists to do their bidding. No draft and no US fighters anymore. So Americans can put all the wars out of mind, and continue watching their TV.

      I agree with Scott for the same reasons. The shortest path to peace is the defeat of Ukraine and NATO, which should begin in force by the end of December. After 8 years of genocide inflicted on Donbass and other parts of Ukraine, it’s long overdue to end this. Swiftly.

      • #498604
        Babel 17
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        ” … the peace movement died soon after the Iraq invasion …”

        Yeah, gradually all the budding Rachel Maddows and Rachel Maddow lites stopped wearing their anti-war buttons and T-shirts, and took the advice of Nancy Pelosi to “keep our powder dry” and stripped off their anti-war bumper stickers.

        In the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley there’s a scene where Bill Gates, who was still doing work for Apple at the time, was at a computer show and he and Jobs were having a pointed discussion. At the end of it Gates took off the Apple T-Shirt he was wearing and walked away, to go on to do his own thing full time.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley

        That’s what happened to a lot of prominent anti-war people, they took off their T-shirts, and went on to get lucrative gigs, usually ones where being anti-war was either not important or something you kept to yourself.

        When we destroyed Libya, stole its oil, then largely did the same to Syria, there was no more pretending. They just put a Rainbow flag, and now also Ukrainian one, on the new coalition they formed with the defense industries, the globalists, the militarists, and the CIA.

        It’s both racist and homophobic to be anti-war, just look at who War Inc. is hiring!

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      • #498605
        djean111
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        does not give a flying fuck about what we citizens think any more.  Not one flying fuck.  The Uni-Party cannot be actually voted out, and the folks who run the wars are not elected, anyway.  The police are locked and loaded; so is the FBI – using both weapons and personal info, and armed with arrests and sanctions and seizures as well as with actual ammo.  Politicians have quite successfully divided up Americans into convenient identity groups, and set them at each other.  Going online with any anti-war stuff in a meaningful way means de-platforming, de-monetizing, having a target painted on one’s back, perhaps having one’s bank account frozen, etc.  Those “international laws” do not apply to the US or we citizens; those laws are weaponized against other countries.

        If a million protesters showed up at the White House, IMO, Biden would just have the crowd scanned as much as possible for identities, have the crowd driven off by police, do the same shit to the protesters that Trudeau did to the truckers, and then hold staged hearings about the “attack on the cradle of democracy”.  And use the whole thing as campaign pandering, once one of the parties is the designated bad guy for that cycle.  And blame it all on Trump and Putin, because that is the fall back position now.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

        VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

        • #498620
          closeupready
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          There are scary moments in the film, but not scary in a personal way, but scary in an abstract way, how our own government has started to become totalitarian, censorious, brutal.

          Julian Assange, for example.

          The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #498625
      djean111
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      anything.  The Drop is very very good, too.  When I look at the corrupt bureaucracy of Child 44, I think of how the US seems on its way there, and that perhaps at least the Soviet Union is gone, and things not so bad, but then I will never really know.  Citizen X is a TV movie that covers the same case more fully, adapted from a different book, and set in the correct time period, but the same killer – the Soviet Bureaucracy and the search for the killer.  Stars Stephen Rea.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

      VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

    • #498650
      Babel 17
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      I saw it when it was broadcast, and it held my attention.

      Edit, wow, what are the odds, both movies are about the same killer!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_X

      The film is based upon the true story of Soviet serial killer Andrei Chikatilo

       

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    • #498820
      peacecorps
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      Didn’t urge Iraqis to accept the American invasion nor other countries to

      not help Iraqis in their resistance. Opposing an invasion but not resistance to it is not pro-war, IMHO.

      When you think you have no choice but to start a war, think again. Wars promise to be quick, clean and decisive. Wars lie. They cause more problems than they solve, they just won't tell you that beforehand.

      "If we are to have peace on earth, ... our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective."

      • #498821
        jbnw
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        In 2012 you could travel easily across all of Ukraine, multiple languages were accepted and supported constitutionally and there was no civil war.

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