Senate confirmation when a new VEEP is needed

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    • #496284
      Babel 17
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      Only now did I think of the implications of the Republicans “only” having 50 seats now, but maybe 51 or more come January, and also the House.

      All I can think of for guidance is when Nixon replaced Spiggy Spiro Agnew with Ford, and when Ford later chose Rockefeller. Both times the Democrats controlled Congress, and both times the new VEEP was considered a solid choice.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States#Vacancies

      Section 2 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment provides that “whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.”

      Ford was popular, but Rockefeller was subject to serious grilling by the Senate.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller#Vice_presidency_(1974%E2%80%931977)

      So if the Republicans get the House and Senate, imo they will make it obvious that they will torture any nominee Kamala proposes who they can portray as out of touch with mainstream voters. Hyper-partisan to the max posturing from all sides, with accusations of endangering America hurled at those who criticized or opposed either side.

      Harris’s choice could simply be a safe one, but then she’d be subject to howls of derision expressing contempt for blowing an opportunity.

      If polling says the Senate is going to the Republicans, Biden might have to resign in time for Schumer to ram through a replacement for Harris that would be a net positive.

      TO CONFIRM THE NOMINATION OF NELSON A. ROCKEFELLER TO BE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.

      Dec 10, 1974 .

      https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/93-1974/s1092

      Yadda yadda yadda, too long, didn’t read, Biden could be getting pushed out very soon, and P.S. this could be connected to why the final resolution of Hunter Biden’s case is being delayed.

      I can easily imagine Hunter accepting a plea deal, asking for a pardon (as the law requires), and getting one as Joe Biden makes his final pardons.

      Either that or Hunter gets a slap on the wrist, and the DOJ hopes the public figures “the family has suffered enough”. You know, powerful people punishment, embarrassment.

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    • #496285
      Babel 17
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      https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-president-slowly-deteriorates-before-our-eyes/

      In the past two weeks or so, President Biden has…

      insisted that the economy is “strong as hell” (it isn’t; even the Nation is begging him to stop bragging about how great the economy is doing)
      off-the-cuff claimed that the situation in Ukraine was headed toward “Armageddon” (so far, it hasn’t, and no one else in the U.S. government seemed to know what Biden was talking about)
      insisted that his student-loan bailout was passed by Congress (it wasn’t)
      claimed he had brought down the cost of energy (he hasn’t, by any measure or form, since the start of his presidency — electricity, natural gas, gasoline, diesel, heating oil)
      exhibited a long, odd pause during an interview with MSNBC’s Jonathan Capehart, and
      declared that John Fetterman’s wife will make “a great lady in the Senate.”

      Please stop telling me that this man, who turns 80 next month, is fine, that he’s sharp as a tack, that he’s not showing signs of old age in his ability to think and speak, and that he’s got so much energy, not even press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre can keep up with him. The president is old, and he’s tired no matter how little he travels and how light his schedule, and he struggles to get through mundane interviews and brief question-and-answer sessions with reporters. Either his staff is feeding him a line of unrealistic happy talk, or he can’t remember what he’s been briefed and just chooses to believe that everything is going fine. We can see this man, we remember what he was like as vice president, and he was not this doddering, this oblivious, this blank-eyed, this stubbornly in denial during the Obama years.

       

      Mary Katharine Ham predicts that after the election, Americans will hear a lot of “now it can be told” stories about Biden and his aging and health issues. If we do get a lot of post-election revelations about Biden’s health — as I predicted in a June Morning Jolt — there should be intense and severe rebuke for everyone who has spent the past year insisting that Biden is fine, despite what we are seeing with our own eyes and hearing with our own ears.

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      Babel 17
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      I guess that Biden resigning is still considered a last resort for if the peasants are revolting (“they’re stink on ice”), and storming the Bastille.

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      djean111
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      up as president – which, you know, has always been Her Right.  Something along the lines of Hillary being VP, and then Harris resigns because it is the Right Thing To Do.  Fuck, there would probably be a tweet of Hillary cackling and pressing that big red button, right before we all fade to black.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

      VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

    • #496362
      Jim Lane
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      @babel17

      You write: “So if the Republicans get the House and Senate, imo they will make it obvious that they will torture any nominee Kamala proposes who they can portray as out of touch with mainstream voters.”

      First, the Republicans don’t need the House AND the Senate.  Either one will do.

      Second, they won’t torture a nominee (if by that you mean an intensely hostile hearing).  If the Vice Presidency becomes vacant, and the President (be it Biden or Harris) nominates a replacement, the GOP will give that nominee the same hearing that Merrick Garland got, i.e., none.  The Republicans will simply refuse even to consider filling the vacancy.  They’ll be hoping for Speaker McCarthy to sidle into the White House, if something happens to the President while there is no Vice President.  If the Democrats hold the House, but the Republicans still have 50 Senators, they’ll again refuse to act.  They’d rather see Nancy Pelosi (an unpopular octogenarian) move up than approve some “solid choice” who was the Democratic equivalent of Ford or Rockefeller.  The nominee certainly wouldn’t be Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, or even Elizabeth Warren.  More plausible is someone like Tim Kaine or Gavin Newsom.  Regardless of who it might be, though, the Republicans wouldn’t want to give a boost to anyone who might be a contender in 2024 or 2028.  They’re firmly committed to putting party ahead of country.

    • #496366
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      Things are bad enough as they are, without giving total control to Trump’s MAGA. We’ve seen what the red states are doing. Now imagine that at the federal level.
      Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the Democrats are in major trouble, but they are still better than the certifiably insane Republicans.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If Row vs. Wade is overturned, women could lose the right to not get pregnant in 26 states.
      The Republicans are four year olds. The Democrats are six year olds. There are no grownups.
      Normalizing insanity has been the conservative's sweet spot at very least since the beginning..

      • #496372
        djean111
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        And Biden has wanted to cut Social Security all during his long corporate career.  He is proud of that.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

        VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

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