Passionate Progressive (1707 posts)August 1, 2017 at 6:50 pm
Seymour Hersch (Audio) Says Seth Rich Was Wikileaks Sourcetwenty, Marym625, Baba OhReally and 26 otherspa28, Utopian Leftist, Pastiche, Enthusiast, iggy, Hari, Phlem, djean111, Salemcourt, Pam, nevereVereven, Mom Cat, Scott Crowder, HeartoftheMidwest, Judi Lynn, HomerRamone, senz, Peace Patriot, ZimInSeattle, 3FingerBrown, LaaDeeDaaVA, DoctorJ, avaistheone1, elias39, Two way street, graycat like this
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Two way street (3394 posts) (Reply to original post) August 1, 2017 at 7:12 pm
1. Intel Vets Challenge US Government Story that Russia hacked the DNC in 2016.
Forensic studies of “Russian hacking” into Democratic National Committee computers last year reveal that on July 5, 2016, data was leaked (not hacked) by a person with physical access to DNC computers, and then doctored to incriminate Russia.
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper (right) talks with President Barack Obama in the Oval Office, with John Brennan and other national security aides present. (Photo credit: Office of Director of National Intelligence)
After examining metadata from the “Guccifer 2.0” July 5, 2016 intrusion into the DNC server, independent cyber investigators have concluded that an insider copied DNC data onto an external storage device, and that “telltale signs” implicating Russia were then inserted.
Key among the findings of the independent forensic investigations is the conclusion that the DNC data was copied onto a storage device at a speed that far exceeds an Internet capability for a remote hack. Of equal importance, the forensics show that the copying and doctoring were performed on the East coast of the U.S. Thus far, mainstream media have ignored the findings of these independent studies [see here and here]. more at site linkDraft Bernie for a People's Movement against Fascism.
ZimInSeattle (2283 posts) (Reply to original post) August 1, 2017 at 9:16 pm
2. HUGE! n/tProudly #DemExited & #LeftOut | "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON! |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)
senz (5378 posts) (Reply to original post) August 1, 2017 at 9:28 pm
3. Thanks for posting this in LBN, Passionate Progressive.
Despite their efforts, the proof of the truth keeps piling up.The Deep State agenda is global. Syria's up next for regime change. https://consortiumnews.com/ CrossTalk Jimmy Dore Caitlin Johnstone Sane Progressive http://petras.lahaine.org/ Julian on Twitter information clearinghouse https://popularresistance.org/ http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/ http://disobedientmedia.com/ https://off-guardian.org/ http://www.unz.com/ Tim Black
Rocky (899 posts) (Reply to original post) August 1, 2017 at 10:41 pm
4. But CNN is saying…..
That FOX News and some wealthy donor (I forget his name, sorry) concocted the story of Seth Rich being murdered in retribution for leaking the emails to Wikileaks to divert attention from Trump and Russia. Call me a skeptic."I believe alien life is quite common in the universe, although intelligent life is less so. Some say it has yet to appear on planet Earth." Prof. Stephen Hawking
Peace Patriot (3746 posts) (Reply to original post) August 2, 2017 at 1:01 am
5. There is something not right about this.
Who did this recording of Seymour Hersh? Who has custody of the recording? Did Hersh consent to be recorded? What were the circumstances of the recording?
Is this really Seymour Hersh? How is that verified?
Would Hersh be this uncareful?
Was he drunk? High? Drugged?
If Hersh had possession of evidence that Seth was the leaker – a bombshell of a story – why would he just give it away to whoever is recording him, and speak it so sloppily amidst a bunch of “fucks” and “shits” and “assholes”? (Or is Hersh losing it?)
He says Seth Rich was not murdered for leaking, and lived in a bad neighborhood. This is random guessing by Hersh (and not typical of his journalism). There were many reports that it was a low-violence neighborhood, NOT a bad neighborhood. I don’t know what the truth of this is, but it’s not like Hersh to say flat-out, with no other evidence, that Seth was not murdered for leaking.
Has Hersh said anything about this recording?
I’m trying to track some of this down. One of the sites breaking this story (of the audio) says they got the recording from an anonymous source.
Hersh, in the audio, claims he got his info (that Seth Rich peddled emails to wikileaks) from a high level FBI source. How do we know Hersh hasn’t been stung? Our Overlords have several purposes, with regard to Rich, that might have motivated a Hersh FBI source to lie to him. One, to discredit Rich as seeking money. Two, to debunk the notion that he was murdered for leaking. Missions accomplished, so to speak. Hersh has a lot of credibility. Was this a very clever half-leak? Part true. Part not true. And why – a big WHY – did Hersh not USE this information in a published article, and instead just blab about it to somebody or other, who – sounds like unknown to Hersh – was recording him? Does Hersh actually not trust the info? He certainly would have known this is a major story. Would he have blabbed about this, in such an informal way, if he believed it (or believed it all)?
This audio needs a lot of vetting.
I myself believe that Seth Rich WAS murdered for leaking the DNC emails to wikileaks. I think the CIA did it or had it done through CIA “assets” (the Awan brothers, who partied with Seth Rich the night he was murdered?), on behalf their candidate, Hillary. I think this was just one dramatic little part of a long term CIA domestic op to take over the Democratic Party leadership and apparatus. Also, this is what the CIA DOES – ops like eliminating Seth Rich, to try to stop the leak. If this is, indeed, Hersh in the audio and what he was getting was a half-leak, the part that Seth had only given wikileaks a sample before he was murdered, makes sense. The murder was an attempt to stop the leak. But possibly there was a second leaker, or the leak was already in motion and couldn’t be stopped. That’s what all this looks like to me. So I’m anxious to believe corroborating material such as Hersh saying Seth was the leaker (or a leaker), and to disbelieve Hersh that Seth wasn’t murdered for it.
Scott Crowder (822 posts) (Reply to Peace Patriot - post #5) August 2, 2017 at 1:36 am
6. Wikileaks posted up a link to just the audio
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) August 1, 2017
Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.https://limitedhangoutblog.com/2017/02/08/lets-talk-about-violence/
spud demon (1201 posts) (Reply to Scott Crowder - post #6) August 2, 2017 at 6:14 am
7. Tweeting the link seems like an endorsement of its content.
Without saying, Wikileaks is actually confirming the identity of the leaker. Right?Cubs, Google+, Weird Al, BMW
Fasttense (1608 posts) (Reply to Scott Crowder - post #6) August 2, 2017 at 6:20 am
8. So, if the familily is serious about stopping this Seth Rich is the leaker story
They will have to add a few more people to their lawsuit aside from Fox. The lawsuit claims Fox started this rumor, that Seth leaked the Podesta emails, to take attention off the Russian spies/hackers leaked the emails story. It even claims that Trump knew about the story before Fox aired it.
I think the Fox reporter in question is someone named Zimmerman and one of their talking heads ran with the story, knowing it was false. Glad to see Fox suffering a few consequences for all their lies.
But now I’m on the fence about Seth’s involvement in the emails. The famiy definitely doesn’t believe it. They think it makes Seth look like a traitor. So, I’m not sure about anything. I’ll be curious to see the results of the suit.
2cannan (1418 posts) (Reply to Peace Patriot - post #5) August 2, 2017 at 6:23 am
9. Good questions, maybe this is the source?
A timeline of the explosive lawsuit alleging a White House link in the Seth Rich conspiracy
Butowsky reaches out to Rich’s family to offer to help fund an investigation into their son’s death. They agree.
At some point before or during February, Butowsky apparently speaks with veteran journalist Seymour Hersh, who Butowsky says indicated a link between Rich and the FBI. Hersh told Folkenflik it was “gossip” and that Butowsky “took two and two and made forty-five out of it.”
2cannan (1418 posts) (Reply to 2cannan - post #9) August 2, 2017 at 7:08 am
10. From NPR…
I wonder if Hersh knew Butowsky was recording him? Maybe somebody got to Hersh because it sounds like he’s backtracking from the claims he made on the audio recording (if that really is him in the first place?)
Behind Fox News’ Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
And Butowsky lays out a different mission than aiding the Rich family. Butowsky says he became convinced that the FBI had a report concluding that Seth Rich’s laptop showed he had had contacts with WikiLeaks after speaking to the legendary reporter Seymour Hersh, who was also investigating Rich’s death. According to the transcripts in the lawsuit, Butowsky says Hersh had an FBI source who confirmed the report.
In an interview this week, Hersh sounds unconvinced.
“I hear gossip,” Hersh tells NPR on Monday. “[Butowsky] took two and two and made 45 out of it.”
Average Gazoo (1988 posts) (Reply to Peace Patriot - post #5) August 2, 2017 at 12:13 pm
12. I had similar questions this morning when I heard the audio
Did some digging. WikiLeaks DID offer a reward for Trump’s tax returns, Hillary’s Goldman speeches, etc. so if Seth Rich wanted money for what he had it may have been because the offer was out there and not because money was his only motivation.
I have followed this story carefully since last year and never heard what type of weapon was used. Hersh says it was 22 which is a weapon that no serious hitman would even consider using because it is too small, you would have to put right on someone’s head. Wrong weapon for a hit but no reason that such a weapon would not be used in a mugging where is a gun is displayed for intimidation.
There were dozens of muggings in the area where Rich was shot, “20” in 2016 before Rich’s death, and they fit the suggested scenario for how Seth Rich became a victim.
Still waiting for Sy Hersh to comment on this audio.
Ohio Barbarian (8972 posts) (Reply to Peace Patriot - post #5) August 2, 2017 at 5:25 pm
15. Thank you. This is not Hersh's typical mode of operation.
So I STILL don’t know what to think of the Seth Rich thing. I wouldn’t put anything past the Clintons, and I wouldn’t put making up a story past Trump’s people.
I don’t know what to believe. I will wait.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
RealityCheck (1367 posts) (Reply to original post) August 2, 2017 at 10:45 am
11. it's very important
to allow the investigation to move forward and also to appreciate the work by groups like Profiling Project made up of very smart grad students who are studying criminal investigation and forensics. Investigation(s) by the police inside DC could possibly be suspect. IMHO
by Scott Taylor/ABC7Thursday, May 25th 2017
Only on ABC7 News, I-Team Investigator Scott Taylor takes us inside the Profiling Project for an exclusive look.
A group of GWU grad students are taking a forensic look through link analysis in the murder of Rich at an undisclosed location.
“We are trying to figure out persons of interest in any areas that the police may have overlooked,” Kevin Zhang, a volunteer with the Profiling Project, said.
The students working on the project are volunteers, studying criminal investigation and forensics.
“This is a skill set that they have. These folks are going to become profilers. They are going to become Lead Investigative Agents,” Kevin Doherty, who’s also a volunteer, said.
The Profiling Project’s main goal is to find at least one piece of new information that has practical value to the murder investigation.
“What we found is there actually is possibly another surveillance camera that may have been missed in the initial investigation so we have turned that over to the police,” Zhang said.
By Max Kutner On 6/20/17 at 1:09 PM
Those researchers, who volunteer at the Profiling Project, an independent group, published their findings on Tuesday in an 83-page report.
The Profiling Project, based in Arlington, Virginia, consists of around 20 volunteers who are current and former George Washington University forensic-psychology graduate students and instructors. The report states that Rich’s July 2016 “death does not appear to be a random homicide” or “a robbery gone bad,” as police had suggested. Instead, the report says, the “death was more likely committed by a hired killer or serial murderer,” and that the killer is likely still at large.
Average Gazoo (1988 posts) (Reply to original post) August 2, 2017 at 12:27 pm
13. FWIW HA Goodman is not the best source (or filter) for these kinds of stories
His MO seems to be to spam YouTube with different permutations of the same headline and a review of his writing and themes reveals some odd swings and dubious journalistic integrity. I have seen many videos by him and find many interesting tidbits in them but trying to figure out Goodman’s angle and fact checking him have become too time consuming and I prefer other sources or analysts.
For example, here is a set of Goodman headlines and prediction that are mostly wrong:
Bernie Sanders Will Become President. The FBI and 67 Percent of Americans Distrust Hillary Clinton (February 22, 2016)
The FBI’s Investigation of Clinton’s Emails Makes Bernie Sanders the True Democratic Front-Runner (February 29, 2016)
Obama’s Justice Department Just Gave Bryan Pagliano Immunity and Bernie Sanders the Presidency (March 3, 2016)
Why Did Hillary Clinton Need a Private Server? The Answer Makes Bernie Sanders President (March 7, 2016)
As Long as Hillary Clinton Risks FBI Indictment, Bernie Sanders is the Real Front-Runner (March 30, 2016)
The FBI’s Interview of Hillary Clinton Will Save Obama’s Legacy and Nominate Bernie Sanders (April 1, 2016)
10 Questions the FBI Could Ask Hillary Clinton That Would Benefit Bernie Sanders (April 4, 2016)
Yes, Bernie Sanders Will Become President. Hillary Clinton’s FBI Investigation Isn’t a ‘Nothingburger’ (April 19, 2016)
Bernie Sanders Will Remain the True Front-Runner Until the FBI Finishes Its Investigation (April 20, 2016)
Dear FBI, the Democratic Party’s Future Rests Upon Your Investigation of Clinton’s Emails (April 27, 2016)
Democrats Must Rally Around Bernie Sanders Before Clinton Faces Possible Espionage Act Indictments (May 2, 2016)
Hillary Clinton Should Concede to Bernie Sanders Before the FBI Reveals Its Findings (May 4, 2016)
State Department Report Justifies Indictments for Hillary Clinton. Democrats Need Bernie Sanders (May 27, 2016)
pa28 (330 posts) (Reply to original post) August 2, 2017 at 3:57 pm
14. If Rich was the source it destroys the Russian hacking story.
That’s really inconvenient because the Post and Times have been telling us the DNC emails were the result of a Russian conspiracy. Will they tell us if it turns out the actual source was an insider wanting to expose corrupt practices and primary rigging?I would prefer not to.