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    Shame of America

    Money for wars but not homes. Every day the number of tents of the homeless grow. Here in San Diego there is a mile of tents, huts and shelters where the homeless live many are working people.

    Shame America Shame.

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    • broiles (869 posts)
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      1. Where's the recommend button when you really need it.

      • NV Wino (4790 posts)
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        2. Look to the right of the photo.

        Resist-sm_zpswfchkz8t “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
        • broiles (869 posts)
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          3. Thanks.

        • Salemcourt (513 posts)
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          25. Thank you

    • faultindicator (973 posts)
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      4. Things sure have changed there.

      In 1980 the trolley made yet one more great reason to live there.

      It has been said that it is best not to re-visit the places of fond memories. Seeing San Diego like this is exactly why.

      A reasonable request: Reduce daily TV viewing time by 1/2 hour starting now. Ask others to do the same, follow through with them, break the media habit. FI - Simple and straight forward, just like this place, solutions without the bullshit.
      • Doremus Jessup (2772 posts)
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        6. Congrats on post #666

        I cannot go back to my birth place, in Detroit, nor my hometown. To steal from Mellencamp, it is a “Ghost Town Along the Highway”.

        My county has the highest child poverty rate out of the 92 counties in Indiana. The misery index is on the rise in our country. The county also has the highest rate of drug use and over 203 overdoses in the first quarter this year. Population just north of 107k. Down 20k from the early 70’s and without a University it would be closer to 80k. Retired factory workers and college kids make up over half of the population. Depressing to watch it fail more each year in so many ways.

        Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. End ALL occupations and bring the troops home.
        • faultindicator (973 posts)
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          7. An excellent choice of terms – misery index

          Funny how we are proudly told industrial indexes, economical indexes, and all other false indicators of how well the few are doing. The sad facts of how poorly the masses understand it as meaning good things is frustrating. It is going to take us JPR types a long time to awaken so many lost minds.

          Personally I would like to see post numbers keep their numbers in sequence; the whole 666 777 thing gives me a lot of amusement – the early Greeks had it right, pick a god that suits your life; life changes and so should beliefs.

          A reasonable request: Reduce daily TV viewing time by 1/2 hour starting now. Ask others to do the same, follow through with them, break the media habit. FI - Simple and straight forward, just like this place, solutions without the bullshit.
          • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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            50. "pick a god that suits your life" = isn't that what we all do?

            one way or another; god of mammon, god of science, god of resignation, god of…

            • faultindicator (973 posts)
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              55. god of resignation – rofl – perfect. Here's a song by The Pretty Reckless

              eta: Oops, should have been “Going To Hell”; it’s on the playlist there.

              A reasonable request: Reduce daily TV viewing time by 1/2 hour starting now. Ask others to do the same, follow through with them, break the media habit. FI - Simple and straight forward, just like this place, solutions without the bullshit.
      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        9. I grew up here and recently returned from DC

        It has been an interesting experience to say the least.  It is still beautiful and if I had to be homeless at least there is no snow.  But the hard hearts are mind boggling.

        #Let'sTalkRevolution
    • 99Forever (3236 posts)
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      5. For me, as long as I can remember…

      …THE QUESTION has always been:

      Why is there ALWAYS plenty of money to kill innocents and bomb their countries back to the Stone Age, but NEVER any money to relieve the suffering of our own people?

      The United States of America is the problem, not the solution.

      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        10. I don't think that is how people of the US want it….

        …although I could be wrong.  I was shocked by posts of “liberals” during the Hillary primary they sounded so like republicans – even at Site Voldemort where they would have run someone of the boards a decade ago the rhetoric of shame was horrible.

        #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • 99Forever (3236 posts)
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          12. You are correct.

          The people’s will is not being done, because everything our corrupt system touches, becomes corrupted also.

          It cannot stand or sustain itself. The question isn’t if, the question is when.

          • Enthusiast (9827 posts)
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            22. The will of the people is not being done.

            "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
            • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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              92. Excellent video. Thank you

              #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • mntleo2 (118 posts)
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          86. And those "liberals" have been like that for decades n/t

          Cat in Seattle   >^..^<   "I like democracy *not* xenocracy..."  ~  Frank Zappa
      • bekkilyn (28 posts)
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        15. There's plenty of money, but

        they don’t believe that the people suffering deserve the help. Despite the fact that many of these same people claim to be Christians, they don’t follow God’s example.

        Rebecca #giraffewatch 2017
      • NJOCK (570 posts)
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        89. Me too, 99

        completely agree with every word

        “The first revolution is when you change your mind about how you look at things, and see there might be another way to look at it that you have not been shown. What you see later on is the results of that, but that revolution, that change that takes place will not be televised.” -Gil Scott-Heron
    • Ohio Barbarian (4807 posts)
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      8. I was stationed at the 32nd Street naval station, either in school or on ship,

      for several years. My family-me, now ex-wife, baby daughter and huge cat, lived in an apartment on Claremont Drive on the north side for a couple of years, around 1990. I’d commute to work when I wasn’t on deployment. Got to know San Diego and area pretty well.

      There were homeless then, but I never saw anything like this. There is no excuse for allowing this to happen to our fellow citizens. It actually costs less tax money to provide housing for them than in disgracefully allowing them to live as you so accurately describe. Utah, of all places, has actually done that and proved my point. 

      Three years ago, and it’s still working. If Utah can do it, why can’t the federal government? Answer: It can, and should.

      You give us a powerful picture that really is worth a thousand words, and you let it speak for itself. Recommended for the Daily Radical.

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        11. The really sad part is …

        San Diego could build cheap housing. Homeless don’t need a three bedroom condo. A studio with a bathroom and kitchen would be wonderful.

        However San Diego DOES regularly “moves” the homeless and take their stuff. Especially before events like the Padres games or Comic Con.

        They don’t want visitors to be bothered

        Shameful. Thanks for the recommendation.

        #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • Ohio Barbarian (4807 posts)
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          16. Cleveland did the same thing for the 2016 RNC, just as I know Denver did

          for the 2008 DNC.  Didn’t see any homeless on TV during last year’s World Series between Cleveland and Chicago either, did you? I sure didn’t, and I actually watched that World Series coverage as an old sports fan. Two teams that hadn’t won it all in a long time.

          Can’t tell me there ain’t no homeless who hang out near Progressive or Wrigley Fields, though.

          You are most welcome for the recommendation. This is powerful stuff; at least it should be.

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        77. I was going to point out that Utah

        is pro-housing for the homeless. But you beat me to it.

        There was some study or series of articles about a Las Vegas homeless man. The report detailed  how there was this $ 100,000 homeless man. Over the course of 365 days, he cost the county state and federal governments that much money, considering that his homelessness put him in jail and the hospital etc.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
        • Ohio Barbarian (4807 posts)
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          81. Hi Crone! Good to see you!

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • HIP56948 (2824 posts)
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      13. This is what happens in a country when you reward sociopaths …

      …and punish people who care.

      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        14. It is indeed. Or when the sociopaths rule government.

        #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • Salemcourt (513 posts)
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        26. A culture where

        people thank others for going to war and killing brown people.  This is what we deserve.

        • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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          28. I keep hoping we will stop doing war.

          Alas I am afraid I won’t live to see it. Peace is my dream. Yet still we focus on all the killing and point fingers at the other as justification for hate.

          #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          51. it wasn't about destruction of mental health facilities. that's a myth

          and it plays into the ‘they’re all crazy anyway’ myth

          it was the destruction of subsidized and low-income housing

          • The Crone (3157 posts)
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            78. I remember as a very young child,

            when my mom took me shopping in downtown Chicago, there were very few if any homeless people. But at that time, in the 1950’s, there were these 50 cents a night boarding houses, where transient folks went and stayed. Nothing like that in downtown Chicago any more. I wonder if the YMCA even exists any more.

            "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Marym625 (25848 posts)
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      18. On The Daily Radical

      "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • senz (5386 posts)
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      19. There's a soundtrack for this, SW

      You grew up there?  So did I.  There were no “homeless” as there are now, except hoboes,  guys who rode the rails.  The real hardcore homeless thing started with Reagan.

      • Enthusiast (9827 posts)
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        23. Giant Plus One!

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        29. Thank you.

        Reagan ditruction of mental health care is the shame we still live with.  And Clinton’S welfare reform with only made poor people more likely to be homeless.

        Love David Bowie.  Miss him.

        #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • retired liberal (1658 posts)
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        41. Our solution to having people sleeping on benches, was and still is,

        to install two 180°, foot high metal loops, dividing the bench into 3 sections, so no one can lay down on the bench.

        We Americans are such empathetic people… :sarcasm:

        No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up. Lily Tomlin
    • 3FingerBrown (448 posts)
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      20. Humans are the only species on Earth who pay to live here. Fucking shame.

      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        32. Oh my gosh I never thought of that.

        It is true.  And weird now that I think of it. Essentially makes us slaves to some weird master.

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        • Robot X (198 posts)
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          33. We're also the only species that creates and observes borders.

          A completely human concept that no animal, insect, gust of wind, or wave of water, respects or recognizes. They are just imagery lines that only exist in the minds of men.

          • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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            35. You are wise.

            I wish I knew you on the real world. Excellent observations. Glad you have joined our conversation.

             

            i think Native Americans understood no human owned the land.

            #Let'sTalkRevolution
          • closeupready (1650 posts)
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            39. Not entirely true – the arab Bedu are literally nomads.

            However, Western interests have imposed limits on their wandering over the last few centuries.  In addition, consider how native American tribes came and went.  Conversely, other mammalian species mark territory – to some extent, an anthropomorphic interpretation of behavior which is probably something not quite that, but still, it’s interesting to consider to what extent are borders merely human artifice and to what extent are they instinctual.

            The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
            • Robot X (198 posts)
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              45. Territories are not borders.

              An animal may control a territory during the prime of it’s mating/hunting period of it’s life. The animal does not receive it as a gift from an elder or will it to any of it’s sires. It is not a possession that is maintained for generations or even the entirety of it’s  own life.

              • closeupready (1650 posts)
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                47. well whatever then.

                :hi:

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          • senz (5386 posts)
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            40. Well, many of them do establish territories. Sometimes marked by pee lines.

            But none of them charge admission.

          • glinda (2129 posts)
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            69. Me thinks the "goal" is no borders with handful of rich owning it all.

            Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
          • Art from Ark (2806 posts)
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            83. Animals, especially predators, mark and defend territory

            For example,

             

            The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
    • Enthusiast (9827 posts)
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      21. What did I hear the other day? People won't work. They grow dependent on welfare

      Their children inherit their dependency on welfare so they won’t work either. Oh, yeah, auto workers make $80 an hour! It’s all poor people! It’s their own fault.

      I don’t subscribe to these sentiments.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        34. All proganda of the 1%

        the politicians and rich use shame to divide us.   The American meme of pull yourself up by your boot straps must be destroyed. Life is really a eries of lucky events and being born in the right time or circumstance. Nothing really to do with hard work as the hardest workers amongst us often die in poverty.

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        • Enthusiast (9827 posts)
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          38. I agree with you, 100%.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          52. or die young — the fools who work hard, take on anything the boss

          asks them to — if they make it through, they might get a brownie point; if they don’t, the boss sends a card to the funeral and moves on to the next sucker

          • glinda (2129 posts)
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            70. Only the young bring the wealthy profit as all else just takes away. That is why

            they espouse “pro-life pro-life” because it is “pro-profit pro-profit”.

             

            Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
            • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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              71. more slaves for the slave factory

              • glinda (2129 posts)
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                75. Birth rate decline and sick and elderly dying off also.

                Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
    • ThouArtThat (5056 posts)
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      24. Yes It Is Shameful – However – To Those We Fight – This Is Seen As Success

      People on their last legs have been squeezed of all utility which validates the 1% world view that we are all chattel to be exploited.

      Only the 0.01% and their 0.99% minions are worthy of life.

      Everyone else is expendable.

      This will never change until the 99% have had enough with the system and their self-imposed masters.

      It’s time.

      Let’s Talk Revolution!

      "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
      • cyberpj (2380 posts)
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        27. There is no talking about it

        via any electronic device without detection and suppression.

        I’m waiting for the start of typed town newsletters and town criers and the shared whispers of the outraged and the desperate.

        On the topic of the poor, the homeless, the mentally ill, the uninsured, the ptsd vets, and anyone else deemed useless for profit, when government began abandoning it’s people I remember Reagan and Bush Sr pushing the ‘churches and charities’ and ‘thousand points of light’ concept that we could (and should) take care of each other.

        Perhaps, if I wanted to search deeply enough, I’d notice those times were also the start of all of the now limitless, tax free, interconnected charity/foundation fundromats that continue to further enrich so many of the masters.

        Because, surely there had to be some way to profit from peace as well as wars.

         

        QUESTION EVERYTHING 
        • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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          31. Cyberpj we are the The Newsletters of the 21st century

          We speak now and share. I don’t have a solution YET!  I seek one though. I am hopeful again. I believe WE can be the revolution some how. 

          We must start to undo what the idea that the 99% is lost and useless. Thank you for your post.

          #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • senz (5386 posts)
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          43. Plus, private charity creates private power over the less fortunate

          as well as being a tax write-off.  I prefer the egalitarianism of social programs financed by taxes.

          • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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            63. +100 Senz…all help should be social programs…

            so the help is without the strings of becoming christian or whatever the restrictions are the churches and private charities place on people.

            It is our duty as a society to care for those among us that can not care for themselves.

            #Let'sTalkRevolution
            • cyberpj (2380 posts)
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              87. re: "It is our duty as a society to care for those

              among us that can not care for themselves.”

              Absolutely and correct to say WITHOUT RELIGIOUS OR ALLEGIANCE STRINGS OF ANY KIND.

              That is why we agreed to have a government OF the people, FOR the people BY the people who are PAYING THE TAXES.

              Our votes have been deemed useless to actually expressing TAX FUNDS ALLOCATIONS DESIRES by the corrupt MIC and it’s absorption of OUR Congress via corruption and Citizens United.

              FINDING, SUPPORTING AND ELECTING PROGRESSIVES WHO SUPPORT OUR TAX ALLOCATION DESIRES AND ARE WILLING TO WRITE AND PASS NEW LAWS TO STOP THE CURRENT USURPATION OF CITIZENS AT THE PLEASURE OF THE MIC IS THE ONLY WAY TO INFILTRATE AND CHANGE THE STATUS QUO.

              Although, based on 65+ years of living here, I continue to have doubts about our ability to stop attacking each other along party lines long enough to accomplish such a movement.

              I thought Bernie had it but he just couldn’t carry it all the way through.

              Now, instead of one large earthquakish disruption, we have to continue trying to sneak in through the back door which is much much harder to do when fighting so much money in so many smaller campaigns.

              Just my thought, of course.

              I’m perfectly willing, hoping, to be wrong.

              It just takes SO MUCH LONGER than the opportunity we lost with Bernie.

               

              QUESTION EVERYTHING 
              • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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                91. Thank you CyberPJ.

                Beautiful post. Totally agree.

                #Let'sTalkRevolution
          • cyberpj (2380 posts)
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            88. & let's not forget the similar power of the MIC to offer education & citizenship

            to those expendables willing to risk life and limb for what they believe w/be a lottery-ticket type chance at a better life here.

            An exploration into the past, current, and ongoing state of Veterans Affairs and Benefits and the number of abandoned and homeless vets on the streets notwithstanding.

             

            QUESTION EVERYTHING 
        • Fasttense (1550 posts)
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          49. They always preach charity and churches whenever they start abusing the poorest

          If charities and churches were the answer to abject poverty, then we would have solved the problem of poverty long ago. Because we have always had charities and churches.

          What we should do is outlaw the accumulation of excess wealth and see how quickly the problem of poverty goes away. It’s never been tried before.

          • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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            62. The "churches and charities" only feed the homeless and then only one meal…

            …oh and they preach to them how God will fix everything – obviously he doesn’t fix shit.  As there is no god I consider it abusive to make someone listen to the preaching in order to get a sandwich.

            #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          53. +1000 on the corrupt charity/foundation complex

        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          73. samizdat. and yeah, foundations have increased exponentially, as the

          wealth of the 1% and their minions has.

          how could anyone begrudge them their tax exempt foundations?

          they want to help us!!

          they just don’t want to pay us or leave us any decent jobs

           

      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        36. Yes ThouArtThat is it time we talk big change

        Especially about people and their value as just being sentient beings.

        #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • glinda (2129 posts)
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          72. and animals as sentient beings….

          Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
          • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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            80. Indeed Glinda.

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    • Robot X (198 posts)
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      30. "America's already great!"

      My downtown smells like urine. I step over homeless people everyday. Finding human feces and hypodermic needles on sidewalks is a regular occurrence. Our jails, parks, and libraries have lost their original purpose and become de facto homeless shelters which prevents them from fulfilling intended mission statements. And it’s poor substitute for real homeless services, causing more problems than it solves.

      There’s no excuse for this in the richest country in the history of richest countries. Shame indeed.

       

      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        57. So true Robot X..

        Using jails are warehouses for the mentally ill and homeless is a big shame for our country.

        #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          74. seattle's hooverville. seattle used to be a leftish town BG (before gates)

          Seattle’s main Hooverville was one of the largest, longest-lasting, and best documented in the nation. It stood for ten years, 1931 to 1941.  Covering nine acres of public land, it housed a population of up to 1,200, claimed its own community government including an unofficial mayor, and enjoyed the protection of leftwing groups and sympathetic public officials until the land was needed for shipping facilities on the eve of World War II.

          Seattle is fortunate to have the kind of detailed documentation of its Hooverville that other cities lack…What became the city’s main Hooverville started as a group of little huts on land next to Elliott Bay south of “skid road,” as the Pioneer Square area was then called… occupied by Skinner and Eddy shipyard during World War I….just west of Qwest Field and the Alaska Viaduct.

          Seattle police twice burned the early Hooverville, but each time residents rebuilt. When a new mayor took office in 1932, owing his election in part to support of the Unemployed Citizen’s League, Seattle’s Hooverville gained a measure of official tolerance that allowed it to survive and grow…It was a highly diverse population. Most were white with the majority of them foreign-born, especially Scandinavians. Nonwhites comprised 29% of the colony’s population, including 120 Filipinos, 29 African Americas, 25 Mexicans, 4 Native Americans, 4 South Americans, and 2 Japanese. Roy found the relaxed social atmosphere remarkable, describing “an ethnic rainbow” where men of many colors intermingled “in shabby comraderie.”

          http://depts.washington.edu/depress/hooverville.shtml

           

          They built fairly substantial homes back then.

          • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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            79. Thank you FanBoy!

            It is nice to know Americans could/can care.

            #Let'sTalkRevolution
    • Samantha (685 posts)
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      37. Heatbreaking – this should not be happening in this Country

      I hope to see this become a prevalent campaign issue:  What happens when all of the money floats to the top and debt and lack of government assistance blossom to the bottom.

      Sam

      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        66. We totally need to be sure it is a Campaign Issue…

        When we spend so much to kill others in countries far away and doing nothing to help the people here.

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    • cascadiance (2752 posts)
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      44. Portland has been pushing big homeless camps around many places lately!

       

      And we’ve had one of the worst winters in many years too…

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      • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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        54. I don't recognize that place anymore; was never like that when i was young

        as property values go up, homelessness increases

        surprise – goes together like fingers on gloves

      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        58. Oh my Cascadiance is this Portland?

        Do they let them camp in the lot?  Here they just keep rousting them from one place to another.  It is inhumane.

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        • cascadiance (2752 posts)
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          64. There is a lot of fights on where to let them stay here too…

          You hear about it on the news each night where one neighborhood’s residents are protesting on how them moving in has made it hard for them  to avoid crime in their neighborhood, and I saw a report a few nights ago on how someone walking their dog in their neighborhood had it and herself attacked by a pit bull that a homeless person had in the neighborhood.  You can see problems on both sides, and there isn’t a clear answer on what to do about things where most people are just trying to find a place to live who aren’t able to, despite some who may be doing things they shouldn’t be wherever the homeless move to.

          I personally know someone who’s recently since our big storms here this winter been fighting severe health problems and is broke and being pushed in to being homeless too. She’s told me of the nightmares she’s had to endure when spending some nights in shelters, etc., where people have tons of stuff stolen from them all of the time there.  I’ve been trying to help her some, but lately it’s been almost an addictive situation that I don’t think either of us can afford, with my finances going downhill too that are being made worse when paying taxes on Tuesday this week.  I’m sure many others out here have similar situations of trying to help people they know cope too.

          http://www.kgw.com/news/investigations/6-reasons-why-portlands-homeless-crisis-is-at-a-breaking-point/156737977

          6 reasons why Portland’s homeless crisis is at a breaking point
          HOW BAD IS THE HOMELESS PROBLEM IN PORTLAND, AND IS THE CITY DOING ENOUGH TO FIX IT?

          PORTLAND, Ore. – The state of homelessness in Portland is one of the most visible issues in the city. It’s hard to hide – more than 1,800 people sleep outside in tents or on the streets every night. That includes children, families, seniors and people with disabilities.

          If recent events are any indication, the issue is reaching a breaking point among Portlanders with and without a safe place to sleep.

          1. The city’s State of Emergency isn’t enough

          After Mayor Hales declared a State of Emergency for housing and homelessness in September, both the city and the county dedicated millions of dollars toward creating more shelter beds. But even though the city added 283 beds and made another 290 open year-round, shelters are still at capacity every night.

          That leaves many on the street and some neighborhood associations and local businesses are fed up. On April 20, both Hales and the City of Portland were sued by a group of neighbors and businesses over the city’s new policy that allows people to camp on sidewalks and public land.

           

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          • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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            65. It would be swell to take your post above and make it a new OP

            So we can keep this topic going.  One person along can’t fix this – although I guess we can try to help one person each…the problems of the homeless are so many folds, illness, homeless and some depression I imagine.  It is kind of you to try to help – it is such a very large problem though.  Shelters are not the answer.  San Diego is talking about taking some public buildings and making them studios but we will have to wait and see if that actually plays our.  For now it is homeless being moved about the city, hassled by the police and trying to be invisible.

            There are totally issues with the homeless since bathrooms are mostly closed to homeless as they are for “paying customers only”.  Complex problem – no easy answers.

            Take care of yourself my friend…you can only help those when you are not sliding into problems yourself.

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            • cascadiance (2752 posts)
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              67. Turkey feeds homeless dogs with automated "bottle donations" machine…

              A company in Istanbul helps many homeless dogs get something to eat there by people donating plastic bottles in to a machine that dispenses food for these dogs. I know this is a big problem for dogs in Turkey, since there cats are treated well religiously since it is believed that Ataturk was going to be reborn as a cat, and many there religiously believe dogs to be “unclean” which is probably why so many of them are out on the streets and not in people’s homes as pets.  Though with the latest politics moving away from the secular Ataturk teachings with today’s “dictatorship vote”, perhaps things will change culturally here too, though I’m not confident of that.

              http://www.waycooldogs.com/homeless-dogs-fed-machine-donated-plastic-bottles/

              http://www.spiegel.de/international/turkish-stray-dog-feeding-machine-a-model-for-social-design-a-986392.html

              I remember a couple of years ago I was thinking of contacting that Turkish company and perhaps talk to him about partnering with someone here in Portland to perhaps expand their machine’s scope to include helping homeless people in a similar fashion too, where such donations could some how facilitate a good way to provide measured food tickets for food carts or something like that here in Portland, and perhaps they could also use that same set of updates to the technology in Istanbul to help them with the Syrian homeless on the streets there, which at the time weren’t treated well there, since people in Istanbul weren’t used to having homeless people there either.

              Here’s my post on “the old site” then, talking about this issue and how Dennis Kucinich was at one time one of the homeless too.

              https://www.democraticunderground.com/10025985338#post10

              With homelessness rising that much more since I made that post then, I really would like to explore this option some more.  Don’t know if Erdogan’s potential dictatorship might get in the way, but this Turkish company sounds like it has it’s heart in the right places, and what better way to wins hearts and minds in both countries with damaged leaderships than to start some effort like this now.

              Dennis Kucinich would be someone we really need to get back in to office somehow in 2018.

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                68. Thanks so much for sharing the post…and the information…

                How wonderful would it be if we cared as much for our homeless as Turkey cares for their dogs.  I just found the coolest site – someone on another post shared it…

                http://gravitylight.org/

                I thought how wonderful would it be for the homeless in SD to have light at night….

                There are ideas out there we all just need to learn about them and then find a way to share them.  I am just an old woman…but I intend to go to the next City Council meeting and share this idea!!!

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    • hopemountain (2187 posts)
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      46. Trespass, Jail, Repeat

      the city spent $63k over a 6 year period repeatedly arresting and jailing this schizophrenic man for minor infractions.

      shame on america! we model inhumanity and greed – when we could be modeling compassion and caring for humans and the planet. it is a choice. ~all my relations~

       

      http://www.npr.org/2017/04/15/518692463/trespass-jail-repeat-how-one-man-has-spent-575-days-in-jail

       

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      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        59. Using Jail to treat the mentally ill – Only IN America!

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    • Iwillnevergiveup (646 posts)
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      48. The photos here are shocking and heart breaking

      Upthread, a misery index was mentioned.  I can see it now.

      1.  semi shelter in an abandoned building
      2. semi shelter in a car
      3. occasional shelter in inclement weather – kicked out about 7 a.m.
      4. family/pet separation
      5. family unavailable or uninvolved
      6. drug/alcohol abuse
      7. vulnerability to theft of goods/assault
      8. unattended medical issues
      9. hunger/on the streets
      10. death
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      • Silver Witch (5272 posts)
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        60. This is the saddest part…

        …few make it out of the cycle of homelessness and it is tragic.  And even if they make it out…usually they are only a paycheck or two away from ending up homeless again.

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    • randomelement (2 posts)
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      56. Our masters don't want us to know about this

      A buddy of mine was in San Diego for a user’s conference not long ago.  He mentioned the huge number of homeless he saw during the walk between the hotel and conference location (a couple of blocks).  When he got back from the conference, we pulled up the area on Google maps to take a look at how extent the problem was.  Lo and behold, the entire area on the map had been ‘photoshopped’ – you could see where they had missed a few areas while scrubbing the ‘reality’ from the image.

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        61. I am surprised he saw it…

        They usually round-up the homeless and take them away during big events here.

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      • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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        82. shades of orwell, eh?

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      84. this is another form of war ..

      and it will be only a matter of time before this explodes into a full-blown revolution – and, when it comes to that, it will be no more than the establishment deserves. This homelessness is but a symptom of the cancer that will continue to reduce the status of the US to that of the third world – you’re not there yet, there is more to come.

      For too long, the wealth – taken from an already impoverished people, has been squandered on absolutely unnecessary wars and sowing the seeds of misery both in your country and around the world.

      The PEOPLE (who are so badly served by the ‘leaders’) deserve better. Your government, however, should be consigned to oblivion. The human race cannot afford it’s continued, malign influence in the world.

       

       

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        85. Truth to power Tony's!!!

        Hopefully we will find our way out of this government and its corruption.

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      90. Thank you Silver Witch

      It breaks my heart into pieces and people need to know those old black and white films of “Hooverville” is happening again RIGHT NOW.

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