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  • 99thMonkey (3633 posts)
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    Shaun King: Take "Settlements" from Police Retirement, NOT City Municpal Fund

    I have been saying this for years, so it is very heartening to hear Shaun King saying it too — because a LOT more people listen to him than me.  Bravo Shaun for pointing out this glaring massive injustice.  Already overly-strained municiple budgets are being busted around the country by literally having to pay-out billions of tax-payer dollars to (rightfully) settle with grieving families who have suffered loss of a loved one due to this rampant epidemic of police violence — violence against the very people who the cops are hired to “protect & serve”.  

    Thank you Mr. King!!.  Make the bastards pay-up themselves, where it hurts, i.e. out of their own retirement funds.

    KING: Police officers, departments and pension plans should cover the billions paid out for police brutality ** by Shaun King ** NEW YORK DAILY NEWS ** June 26, 2017,

    Police brutality is outrageously expensive. The human costs, in lost lives alone, number nearly 5,000 since 2013. Countless other incidents of police harassment, discrimination and non-lethal brutality have also taken a heavy toll on this country. The enormous physical and psychological costs of police brutality in America can never be fully measured, but the monetary costs can.  ~snip~

     

    Here in New York City, $228.5 million was spent on police misconduct lawsuits during fiscal year 2016. At that pace, the city would pay out over $1 billion on police misconduct claims in five years. It’s absurd. That money could be spent on so many different things to make New York better, but instead it’s spent to compensate those who’ve been wronged by brutal cops.

    They should. As long as police departments are able to put the bill for their brutality on the backs of everyday people, nothing is going to change about the crisis we are facing.

    Pension funds of police departments, paid into by police officers, should be paying out these enormous settlements — not everyday people who had nothing to do with the brutality. Certainly, individual officers who are responsible for police brutality should be held responsible for these claims. Their pensions, investments, savings and salaries should be targeted. As a part of these settlements, officers should have to pay toward those costs for the rest of their lives — no matter how costly it may be. Like those who miss child support payments, police who miss their settlement repayment should go to jail. That would only be fair. Except it seems that conservatives are only about law, order and punishment when it comes to certain types of people — brutal cops are clearly not on that list.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/king-cops-cover-billions-paid-police-brutality-article-1.3278976

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  • PADemD (1084 posts)
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    1. Each officer should have to carry liability insurance.

    Multiple claims would make an officer uninsurable and, therefore, unemployable by any police department.

    • 99thMonkey (3633 posts)
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      2. An equally good idea.

      The beauty of the retirement fund approach is that it would create huge peer pressure on “bad cops” to clean up their act; yet that approach is probably less feasible because these pensions are managed I think by the Police Unions, and they are notoriously nasty & unapologetic about police violence against citizens, and would fight such a move fiercely.

      I like your suggestion a lot, primarily because it’s likely a more feasible approach.  Thanks for posting that.

      • Cassiopeia (2235 posts)
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        10. That is why taking pensions seems so much better.

        It forces the mythical good cops to put a stop to thw very real bad cops.

        The quickest way to get results is fuck with their wallets.  The entirw force would either clean up their act or disband.  Either way it would be an end to their campaign of terror against the common citizen.

        The only minority we should actually fear is the wealthiest 1%
    • Enthusiast (9467 posts)
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      3. Huge plus one!

      Well said, PADemD.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
    • ElfinWilde (281 posts)
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      4. That is how it is in the tourist industry where tourists are transported by the

      attraction.  If the driver is involved in three tiny little accidents with no injuries and very little or no damage, the insurance company drops them and they are fired.  It is is a big accident, they are out immediately.  Heck I know someone who was dropped by the insurance simply because he witnessed the accident and wrote a report on it.  (That was settled in his favor, but insurance companies can be real jerks too)

      If the police forces had to pay for their own liability insurance and the insuring companies had a similar policy, I suspect there would be a whole lot less brutality and killing of the unarmed citizen.  (At least the most brutal and those whose behaviors resulted in being uninsureable would no longer be LEOs.)

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    • duckpin (4199 posts)
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      5. My guess is that most police officers carry liability insurance

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      "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
      • GZeusH (1998 posts)
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        6. Maybe you should research your guess.

        They have been skating by without personality liability for far too long.  Shooting a citizen, irrespective of whether he lives or dies, indicates a failure of non-violent resolution of a problem.  Cops should have a budget for such failures — a very small budget.

        Policy:  The mistaken notion that bossy people have that they can influence other people's behavior through majority rule.
      • duckpin (4199 posts)
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        7. Police have available to them for purchase both liability insurance

        and legal defense insurance. It’s a standard offering of many insurance companies.

        You are ignorant of the facts.

        "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
    • 99Forever (2909 posts)
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      9. An excellent idea.

      Puts it into personal responsibility territory and removes “the good cops” shouldn’t be penalized too, excuse.

  • 2cannan (1418 posts)
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    8. Gun owners should have to buy liability insurance, too, just like

    drivers…

  • Marym625 (24867 posts)
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    11. JPR rec!

    Shaun King rocks. Been following him for years. He took so much shit during the police attacks on citizens in Ferguson it was unreal.

    But he came through it an even stronger writer

    "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
  • jwirr (3587 posts)
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    12. Two of the best ideas I have seen regarding the problem of police brutality.

    Thank you.

    • 99thMonkey (3633 posts)
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      13. Thank you for the kick. This IS truly a huge elephant in the nation's LR

      it’s so obvious once I see it, I can’t unsee it.  It is difficult to understand exactly why it has taken so long for someone like King to say it and say it loudly ..  Hopefully this idea will get picked up, go viral, etc.  It’s not all that “radical” … simply putting the burden of responsibility squarely where it belongs .. at the source of the problem.

  • shanti (368 posts)
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    14. Brilliant idea!

    They won’t take this without a fight though.

    Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed. Mahatma Ghandi