Should the populist left ever work with the populist right? – System Update with Glenn Greenwald

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      The conservatives I’ve seen have very little ability to tell a populist left from a fascist masquerading as a “far leftist.” (hiding behind identity politics) We have a similar problem, though I find it hard to describe it. It’s essentially trust.

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        Whenever I try to find common ground with someone who is on the right, I first have to convince them that Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton are not leftists in any way, shape, or form. It’s hard to have a discussion with someone who thinks Obama and Biden are Communists, but once they discover I despise Democrats like them they are usually at least curious.

        OTOH, it’s hard to have a discussion with a liberal who thinks that Bernie Sanders’ social democratic ideas are “fringe,” and that Barack Obama was a great progressive leader simply because he was Black and articulate. In my own experience, liberals are less open to people challenging them from the left that conservatives are. Anything to the left of Bill Clinton is unthinkable to many of them. They don’t even grasp the concept.

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      I haven’t heard this Nathan Cretin speak before, probably because he was born at night — last night.  Of course right-wing populists are charlatans, grifters, and frauds.  And it is a journalist’s job to expose charlatans, grifters, and frauds.  You get the right-wing masses on board with you, AND THEN you can expose how they are being taken in by their politicians.  To build solidarity in the working class, you must agree on what is in the interest of the working class, AND THEN expose people that are acting counter to that goal.

      His part of the interview was the longest, but he had no worthwhile content, and should just STFU.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

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      It was interesting, and thought provoking.

      I couldn’t help think about how roughly 1/3 of the country always votes Democratic and 1/3 of the country always votes Republican. Those two groups follow their party line on all their issues and policies. It’s the remaining third who decide the elections.

      I also thought about how a majority of Americans actually do support Medicare for All and raising the minimum wage. Example, Florida voted for Trump and voted to increase the minimum wage to $15. So I do see some common ground. Not much, but some.

      I also read Krystal and Saagar’s book, and thought is was a good read. It was mostly a recap of their shows with added commentary.

      Nowadays I hear Republicans talking about breaking up Big Tech. How many Republicans know that Elizabeth Warren was advocating for it at the Democratic Debates. So did Krystal and Saagar.

      Republicans attack “the liberal media”. Hasn’t Bernie attacked the “corporate media”, as do Krystal and Saagar? More common ground.

      And now we could add censorship as some more common ground.



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      Some were even registered Democrats. They all seemed pretty aware that Bernie was against crappy trade deals (Hillary Clinton’s “gold standard” TPP based one included), and that had gained him grudging respect from them. I was canvassing the neighborhoods of the 99%, and nobody had a problem with Sanders standing up to Clinton for her relationship with Wall Street, and for her “judgement” in letting the “good terrorists” light up Libya, and then Syria.

      Had Bernie won the nomination, and the Presidency, he’d have had popular support for being tough on trade deals, and regulating Wall Street and the banking industry.


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