Sigh. Biden adviser threatens to punish Russia with ‘tools seen & unseen’ for SolarWinds hack

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      jbnw
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      From https://www.rt.com/usa/516240-solarwinds-sullivan-russia-hacking/ :

      The Biden administration will soon deliver a sweeping response to SolarWinds breach, so that the usual suspect, Russia, understands where Washington draws the line on cyberattacks, US national security adviser Jake Sullivan said.

      During his appearance on CBS’s Face The Nation program on Sunday, Sullivan was asked about what the team of new US President Joe Biden was going to do about the SolarWinds hack, given that sanctions have proven to be ineffective against Moscow.

      The adviser replied by saying that the American “response will include a mix of tools seen and unseen.” He didn’t specify what those ‘tools’ might be.

      Washington insists that such an operation could not have possibly been carried out without a foreign government support, while US intelligence and security agencies declared that the hack was ‘likely Russian in origin,’ echoing evidence-free mainstream media claims as well as their own language in the ‘assessments’ about the 2016 election. Moscow has denied any involvement in the SolarWinds breach, calling it “yet another unsubstantiated attempt” by the US to scapegoat Russia.

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      jbnw
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      A cyberattack can be considered an act of war ( https://www.the-security-times.com/when-is-a-cyber-attack-an-act-of-war/ ):

      During his farewell visit to Berlin in November, Obama called for rules to be implemented in cyberspace: “We have to work on and develop frameworks and international norms so that we don’t see a cyber arms race.” What would then be defined as an act of war in the internet? Former US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates once asked his Pentagon lawyers the same question. He had to wait two years for the answer. Even NATO has been occupied with this question; Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg claims that a cyber attack could trigger the mutual defense guaranty outlined in Article 5 of the NATO charter.

      And I doubt we are prepared for a retaliatory response – imagine our power grids, traffic control systems, banking systems, stock exchanges, Internet providers and satellites shut down. The are not managed on a national level. Of course, on a plus side, they are not managed on a national level!

      I can envision a devestating response – unlike the US, Russia has not de-emphasized science education. Consider Kaspersky and Telegram as examples.

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      soryang
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      The need for urgent collective action to keep people safe online: Lessons from last week’s cyberattack
      May 14, 2017 | Brad Smith – President

      https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2017/05/14/need-urgent-collective-action-keep-people-safe-online-lessons-last-weeks-cyberattack/#sm.0000mpb068eggcqczh61fx32wtiui

      So some of these so called Russian cyberattacks actually were conducted with vulnerabilities “stockpiled” by NSA?

      Brad Smith, the author, compared it to a tomahawk missile being stolen. So I gather the main thrust of the article is for customers to feel themselves as part of a technical arms race, where they must constantly assure themselves they are in possession of the latest hardware, so they can upload the latest software, so they are not “vulnerable” to the ne’er do wells who are out to get them from “Russia.” Why not enter a new Geneva Convention? I guess there is less money in that.

      I browsed through a couple of linked RT articles and I believe that one stated that the US had conducted cyber attacks on Russia. I added this to a short list, which also includes Iran and North Korea. So we want others to stop doing what our side does?

      I noted this statement in the OP which is only a technicality at this point:

      Moscow has “outsmarted” the DHS and “circumvented” the NSA, which “gathers intelligence overseas, but is prohibited from surveilling US computer networks,” according to the program.

      The NSA collects US data from overseas nodes. I mean technically they could claim that that our allies are doing it legally, and then just sharing it. This is a fig leaf imo.

      I’m not an IT savvy type person, but one thing i wonder about is why the different aspects of this alleged national security digital crisis, aren’t more carefully distinguished and analyzed? Clearly “attacks” from nation states would appear to achieve what ends exactly? Aren’t they different in nature from mere criminal attacks? And isn’t surveillance just run of the mill spying which many states might do? Wouldn’t an effective surveillance effort by a state actor ideally remain undetected by design? Why would a state intent on surveillance inflict damage if it was preferable to obtain data without detection? And I suppose there could be attacks which are of a destructive nature by state actors which are more akin to some kind of military offensive. What’s the point of such an attack outside of a state of war? Why would a state committed to an act of war in the digital realm which could be discovered conduct a half hearted or relatively weak offensive that would only result in effective countermeasures being developed and adopted? When i think of these questions, i start to feel like most of what I hear in the media about this is just propaganda, because it is so poorly formulated and articulated in terms of distinguishing criminal activities and different categories of military activities. Isn’t the false flag one of the most elementary deception operations a part of these forays? I recall seeing in some of the reporting that the CIA has programs to mimic other state actors in these sorts of activities.

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      Dragon Turtle
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      The Vault 7 information released by Wikileaks and Julian Assange regarding the CIA

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