So a jury of 12 people have cleared Rittenhouse of all charges.

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    • #456162
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      (CNN)Kyle Rittenhouse, the teenager who killed two people and shot another during unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was acquitted of first-degree intentional homicide and four other felony charges on Friday.

      Rittenhouse, wearing a dark jacket with a burgundy tie and shirt, stood behind the defense table as each not guilty verdict was read. He held back tears and appeared to collapse forward on the table.

      The panel of five men and seven women deliberated more than 25 hours over the past four days.

      They had asked the court a handful of questions, including requests Wednesday to rewatch much of the video evidence of the shootings.

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-friday/index.html

      But some people here were somehow CONVINCED he was guilty, and should be locked away. Because someone else told them he was, because … BECAUSE.

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    • #456168
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      This little fuck will be even less equipped to survive his own arrogant racist stupidity than George Zimmerman is. You can bet your soul on that.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

      • #456176
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        after hearing all of the evidence, after watching all of the video footage. Because he actually is as guilty as sin, we all know that because we know better than members of the jury…?

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        • #456212
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          We’ve seen the video too, we’ve listened to the people who were there, we’ve seen the assholes’ pre-shooting activities, we’ve seen his post-shooting activities. We’ve heard the rhetoric his mother raised him on. And unlike the jurors, we do not have a state judge who has Trump rally music as his ringtone telling us to disregard the majority of what we see and all but calling the verdict himself during pretrial.

          They made the wrong verdict. Welcome to reality, where appeals to authority are fallacious and juries are not especially fair or just.

          • #456218
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            I think you covered the pertinent info very concisely. 👍🏻

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          • #456221
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            And based on the repeated “crossed state lines with an illegal firearm” arguments, most didn’t actually follow the trial at all.

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            • #456309
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              “Snurf, hurf, guffaw, WELL, if you check the barrel, it’s ACTUALLY half a centimeter longer than what would make it illegal, hurf snurf” shut the fuck up and eat my ass.

              This white supremacist fuckboy armed up and went to a BLM protest with other white supremacist fuckboys with intent to cause trouble. He created a situation, murdered people defending themselves and trying to protect others from him, and since they don’t get to testify, he walks.

              The jury fucked up. I’m not going to speculate on WHY they fucked up (and I’d bet a lot of it falls on Judge Schroeder aiding the defense constantly) but it’s plain as hell they did. And now because of that decision, we’re going to get even more armed white supremacist fuckboys doing what they want.

              I want you to think about that, while you pat yourself on your back for your enlightened aloofness stance.

              • #456311
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                …..

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                • #456328
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                  Im with you, closeup, the kid was a little dumbass looking for trouble, but so were those other folks, one of which pointed a gun at him, one hit him with a scateboard, he was on the ground and ol dude was trying to stomp him and grab his gun. It may seem f d up, but glenn greenwald is right. Are you folks actually suggesting he should lay there and let someone beat him with a scateboard?  I think some of you have never had a serious ass whooping? Its no fun and can be lethal. I hate taking up for the little turd, but there were poor decisions all around.

            • #456349
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              The police moving the protestors toward the paramilitary? This would create the tension.

              Did it show the police rushing to disarm the angry teenager?

              Did it show the police ever arresting him on site where they saw him killing protestors?

              Did the police protect the constitutional right to protest?

              This “trial” reminded me a lot of the Obama born in Kenya BS when Obama was born 2 years before Kenya becomes a nation, quite a tricky feat.

              • #456389
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                And when the system plays out as it’s designed to do, and they don’t like the result, they don’t actually consider the evidence, watching video footage, following the trial itself; they simply double down on the lies, like gamblers.

                I will say that Ana Kasparian did, in fact, have the balls – prior to the jury deliberation – to publicly admit that in condemning Rittenhouse as many were doing, she had been wrong, and that she did consider what he did as self-defense. Nobody does that. As I say, rather than admit error, people simply double down on their idiocy.

                Rittenhouse, I predict, will become a very, very rich man, in the same way that Richard Jewell acquired his wealth.

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      • #456325
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        called Glenn Greenwald, who watched the trial and has 10 years of practicin law, opines:

        https://rumble.com/vphnor-the-rittenhouse-veredict.html

        TLDW:
        1) The jury made the only correct decision based on evidence.
        2) The real culprit is the corporate media. Not really surprising, but still very sad, that so many on this thread are willing victims of media manipulation into highly irrational and cult like behaviour.

        Aloha!

        • #456387
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          Glenn Greenwald is a married gay man whose journalism shows a class-based analysis that fairly screams that it’s Marxist.

          You have no idea how this Rittenhouse kid grew up. None. I do. He grew up seeing his family and friends getting screwed over by a predatory capitalist system that he doesn’t understand, and he and his mother were angry at the wrong people, but I understand that anger. When there’s no organized left in a rapacious capitalist oligarchy, a lot of working class people will turn to whatever right-wing nonsense appears opposed to the status quo.

          Glenn Greenwald also understands that anger, because he understands the system that caused it. He also understands that no matter what verdict that Wisconsin jury reached, that the results would be used by the oligarchy to fans the flames of culture war and division between different groups of the American working class.

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            But as Glenn keeps on talking common sense sanity, that’s what the cult members of “liberal” fascism are saying.

            Magnus Panvidya had also a fair point putting some blame on the group (I don’t know who they were, really) that left a young kid alone in the tough situation with crazy people in mob psychosis behaving suicidally…

            Aloha!

            • #456395
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              And I agree with you that Kyle Rittenhouse definitely exhibited behavior indicative of mental illness. Sounds like he had a fucked up life, and maybe if he had grown up in someplace like Finland he would never have dreamed of doing what he did. Few people have access to mental health care in the United States, and it shows, doesn’t it? You’re bound to have noticed.

              And his mom! What kind of a mother drives her 17 year old kid to go to a potentially violent demonstration with a fucking assault weapon? Talk about crazy! And that group he was into; your guy is probably right about them.

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              • #456455
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                The first guy who got shot was violently insane, and the chasers were behaving mob crazy.

                Both “left” and “right” have their gun clubs, gangs are highly weaponized… here, the old ecovillage wisdom of jungle goes: Maintain good relations with the local hunting club.


                In absence of state – all states are becoming failed states at various paces – local hunting clubs are closest to “well organized militia”. In US you have loads of competing militia, and Boogaloo bois – at least best part of it – tryig to act as a kind of peace keeping force between various militia.

                Aloha!

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                Kyle Rittenhouse, who is on trial for murder, testified in court that he drove himself from his residence in Antioch, Illinois, to Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Aug. 24, 2020, the day before he shot and killed two men at a protest that became violent.

                According to court testimony and police records, the AR-15 style rifle that he says he used in self-defense during confrontations with the men had been stored at a friend’s house in Kenosha and was not with him in the car when he made the roughly 20-mile drive to Wisconsin from his home state.

                In a Nov. 14 CNN interview, however, Democratic Rep. Karen Bass of California falsely claimed that Wendy Rittenhouse, Kyle’s mother, drove her armed son across the Illinois-Wisconsin border to aid law enforcement during the rowdy demonstration against police brutality.

                https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/rittenhouse-testified-he-drove-himself-to-kenosha-without-weapon/

                But as with all the other dozens of lies that have no resemblance to fact or truth which continue to be wielded as evidence of Rittenhouse’s guilt of something nefarious, we will continue to hear #$@# like “why did his mother drive him to a riot? she should be charged, as well”, etc.

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      He used a gun to stand his ground against unarmed people.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
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    • #456170
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      So, when does the Fed start charges of crossing state lines with an illegal weapon to participate in a riot?

      "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Asimov; "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Fud's First Law of Opposition

    • #456171
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      This verdict literly made me sick to my stomach.

      “I will tell you what I will do and what I will not do. I will not serve that in which I no longer believe, whether it calls itself my home, my fatherland, or my church: and I will try to express myself in some mode of life or art as freely as I can and as wholly as I can, using for my defense
      the only arms I allow myself to use -- silence, exile, and cunning.”
      ― James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man

      • #456180
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        But good parents teach their daughters and sons to defend themselves against sexual assault and other kinds of physical attack that have the potential to inflict on them great bodily harm or even death.

        The authorities in Kenosha did a poor job of securing public order and safety on that night. Ultimately, I feel they bear some responsibility here.

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        • #456391
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          I saw a lot of the footage, but I’m so cynical I’m not sure if I even trust half of what I saw. So much depends on how things are presented. I know the judge set up the jury to either put the kid away for life or let him go completely. He also instructed them that if they were convinced that Rittenhouse had a reasonable fear for his life at the moment he pulled the trigger, then they were required to rule he acted in self-defense.

          It seemed like a ridiculous instruction to me(I wonder what @jimlane thinks about that? Seriously, I do.), and when I heard it I thought kabuki theater. No matter how the jury ruled, the culture warriors in the state media would start beating the war drums, be the shouts Justice! or Injustice! Congresscritters were quick to take loud, highly visible sides, with the Greatest Crazy Award going to that wacko woman who showed off her shootin’ skills in her political TV ads.

          People will be accusing anyone who disagrees with their position of being Very Bad, Morally Reprehensible slime while they pat themselves on the back about their relative moral superiority, and the keyboard warriors will have a field day.

          Meanwhile, what caused Rittenhouse and his mom to believe the things they did, which is really our predatory capitalist system itself, is ignored. Again. Still. How very convenient for the oligarchy.

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          • #456492
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            @ohiobarbarian

            You write:

            He also instructed them that if they were convinced that Rittenhouse had a reasonable fear for his life at the moment he pulled the trigger, then they were required to rule he acted in self-defense.

            It seemed like a ridiculous instruction to me(I wonder what @jimlane thinks about that? Seriously, I do.)

            I don’t practice criminal law and I’m not admitted in Wisconsin.  Here’s what I remember, from a Criminal Law class I took decades ago, about the elements of self-defense: The defendant had an actual and reasonable belief that he or she was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury.  (The same rule applies to defense of others.  If you’re looking out of an upper-story window, and you’re in no danger but you see Pat Perpetrator about to gun down Victor Victim, then you’re privileged to use deadly force against Pat Perpetrator.  You must have an actual and reasonable belief that someone else is in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury.)

            Suppose the victim pointed an unloaded gun at the defendant, while screaming “I’m gonna blow you away!”  If the defendant didn’t know that the gun was unloaded, then the defendant had the actual belief, even if the belief was mistaken.  The plea of self-defense should still succeed.

            Also note that the danger must be imminent.  If someone posts a YouTube video in which he brandishes his own gun and says, “That Rittenhouse punk is a murderer and I’m going to give him the death penalty he deserves,” then Rittenhouse is still not justified in hunting the YouTuber down and killing him.  Rittenhouse might well be in danger but the danger isn’t imminent.

            If Wisconsin law is in line with that of the typical U.S. state, then the summary you give seems to me to be a correct statement of the law.

            Why do you consider it a ridiculous instruction?  If you were writing the law about self-defense, what would you set as the terms?

            • #456530
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              Thanks for responding.

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              • #456568
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                @ohiobarbarian

                I’ve already reached the limit of my actual knowledge, but that won’t stop me from speculating.

                Consider this scenario: Perry Provocateur and Holly Hothead, drinking in a bar, get into an argument. Perry, who’s had a few, pulls out a knife, screams “I’m gonna cut your throat!” and takes a step toward Holly. Holly yells back “Not if I plug you first!” She pulls out a gun, fires at Perry, but, being well into the wet stuff herself, misses. Perry drops the knife, pulls out his own gun, and shoots Holly dead.

                At Perry’s trial, he pleads self-defense. Well, he did indeed have an actual and reasonable belief that he was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury, because her next shot might have hit him. But the whole situation arose in the first place because Perry placed Holly in danger. Can he claim self-defense under those circumstances? My guess (based on zero research) is that there’s an exception to the self-defense rule, such that it’s not available to Perry. My opinion is that it shouldn’t be available to Perry.

                Rittenhouse didn’t create an imminent danger to anyone, the way Perry did. Like Perry, however, he bears at least some responsibility for the situation. As others have pointed out in this thread, he was basically looking for trouble. So maybe a correct statement of the law would have been that the jury should not find that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense if he was the initial provocateur, and the judge should have so charged the jury. Or maybe, assuming Rittenhouse had a legal right to be present then and there and to be visibly carrying a powerful gun, his conduct, while provocative and ill-advised, wasn’t so outrageous as to deprive him of the privilege of self-defense. On that view, he could be acquitted if he shot someone who was the immediate instigator of the violence.

                It’s likely that enough people in Wisconsin have shot each other over the years to generate some learning on applicable Wisconsin law. I believe that a highly publicized case like Rittenhouse’s should be resolved on such considerations, not on whether we root for BLM/Antifa or for right-wing gun humpers.

    • #456189
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      It could have gone either way for different reasons, even with the most well meaning and unbiased jury you could possibly assemble.

      The liberal fantasy that he just unloaded on a bunch of peaceful protestors out of nowhere is objectively false, but it’s what some wanted wanted to hear, and that group will be repeating that line twenty years from now. The conservative fantasy that Rittenhouse is not only blameless, but nothing short of heroic, is also a narrative whose relationship to reality is tenuous at best. As usual, the truth turned out to be somewhere in between these fried brain takes, but the Rittenhouse fan club will surely feel vindicated based on this result. Oh well.

      Imo, this was a pivotal moment in the trial:

      But during cross-examination, Rittenhouse defense attorney Corey Chirafisi asked: “It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him … that he fired, right?”

      “Correct,” Grosskreutz replied. The defense also presented a photo showing Grosskreutz pointing the gun at Rittenhouse, who was on the ground with his rifle pointed up at Grosskreutz. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/08/shooting-victim-kyle-rittenhouse-520336

      Fingers crossed people don’t destroy the fucking city over a bunch of lies, but we’ll see.

      Off topic, but it’s kind of unfortunate that this trial got attention at the expense of the Arbery trial. The defense is laughable there, the defendants guilt as close to unquestionable as it gets (even worse than Zimmerman imo). A not guilty verdict on that one really would be the affront to justice the Rittenhouse verdict will be portrayed as.

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    • #456195
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      Brought a gun he shouldn’t have had across state lines, (in my opinion) looking for trouble. All of the attacks, shootings and deaths stem from those facts. He will probably never be charged for the crimes that led to the shootings and deaths.

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    • #456199
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      It’s not really that shocking. The prosecution was a mess and their witnesses had issues.

      But the city and police share blame for this killing. The policy in a lot of cities when there is demonstrations is for the police to pull back because the thinking is that will lower the temperature. Many demonstrators claim the police antagonize. So the thinking is to get the police out of the way. However the bad side of this is you create a anarchy situation. And if people start bringing guns, you have a Wild West situation too. So that’s not any safer. Cities and police need to better balance the strategy during these situations. When you’ve backed the police out of there, who do you call when right-wingers show up with AR-15s?

    • #456207
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      Cops and courts cannot be trusted to keep citizens safe.

    • #456209
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      for trouble and found it.  The jury and a bias right wing judge let a cold blooded murderer walk free.  Anyone still wondering  if the three men charged with murdering Ahmaud Arbery down in Georgia will be convicted?

    • #456263
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      I did not follow this case particularly. Juries can be right and wrong.

      Just because 12 people are asked to decide someone’s fate, does not

      mean necessarily that they know the facts. Too many false sentences

      came from juries, because of the way the cases have been presented

      to them. All I can say is that he voluntarily entered a dangerous zone

      with a powerful gun claiming the intention of helping the “wounded”.

      The latter claim was obviously a lie.

    • #456273
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      First degree murder obviously never fit what he did. Manslaughter or negligent homicide or something like that would have been appropriate. I think the jury did the right thing by rejecting the whole deal. It is wrong for a prosecutor to levy a hole smorgasbord of charges, hoping to get some kind of conviction on something.

    • #456275
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      confront the protestors, open fire, and then waltz right past the police again-who do nothing to you; tells me you were looking for trouble with the complicit acquiescence of the Storm Troopers

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    • #456340
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      so… I wouldn’t make this the fault of the jury.

      Wisconsin is going to have to figure out how to do a better job of law-making, policing, and conducting these trials because vigilantism and rioting aren’t likely to end with this.

      In my mind Rittenhouse intentionally walked into social turmoil mistakenly thinking his gun was a symbol whose mere presence would shield him. What he did was multiply his risk, and the risk to others who wouldn’t tolerate him pointing the rifle and shooting within the crowd.

      Because the risk of violent encounter rises so high between groups that feel self-righteous in their missions, entering into such a fray is both an act of taking on risk and projecting risk onto others. Self-defense shouldn’t apply. Retreat rather than advance of armed civilians, from both sides, into a riot zone should be promoted by common sense and, because commonsense will surely fail, enforced by the law.

      Riot control must not be a task left to disordered vigilantes but rather the responsibility of trained and properly equipped police and National Guard. If police want citizen auxiliaries to bolster their numbers in times of crisis they should acquire from their communities, permission, laws and regulations that allow them to properly recruit, train, equip and establish orderly command over such a militia.

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      • #456348
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        I blame our gun-loving culture for this travesty of justice. NO ONE should walk into a peaceful protest (or ANY peaceful assembly) with an AR-15. That is like walking into a Synagogue wearing a swastika. Or walking into a black church wearing a klan hood. Offensive, dangerous and stupid. Was Rittenhouse guilty of the crimes he was charged with? I don’t know. Yet, does he belong in prison for what he did? Undoubtedly.

        Here’s a novel idea: If you need an AR-15 to protect yourself in public? THE PUBLIC IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU! It all should be common sense. Those guns exist for one purpose only: collateral damage — to gun down as many innocent humans as possible. They should not be allowed to exist, even in warfare, let alone be carried into a crowd of people. Automatic rifles are not needed in hunting anything other than humans. They are the real weapons of mass destruction.

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        • #456469
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          getting rid of all cops as well as military.

          Every voter who votes for control of the Big Gun of the state, in order to violently coerce his fellow people, is a violent gun nut psycho… by proxy.

          You wan’t people to disarm? You go first…

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    • #456352
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      Neither of whom should be.  If someone points a gun at you, yes, you have a right to defend yourself.  But when you show up at a protest armed with an AK-47 thinking you’re dealing with scum?  Thinking you’re there to protect the innocent?  That’s your own confirmation bias, enforced by media and politics in general.

      The point is that this young man did go into the situation expecting it.  He wasn’t minding his own business, he wasn’t walking down a dangerous city street at night – he was expecting trouble, he was expecting to have to use that gun.

      There is a difference between what he did and legitimate self defense.  As far as the law goes, yes, he has been declared innocent.  No, the court of public opinion does not convict not acquit.

      Ask yourself though, would you go to a right wing protest armed?  Would you go to one expecting to have to shoot someone?  Would you tell anyone there to go ahead and kill you?  If so… Think about it a lot more.  That’s not just a terrible idea, it is setting you up the same way this guy set himself up.

      Whatever the case may be, two people are dead who should not be.  They are dead because a young man with an AK-47 went looking for trouble.

      That is a tragedy and more.  This trial was a sham – the judge was biased to begin with.  The prosecutor was inept – and the right tried to make a hero out of a very disturbed young man who never should have held a weapon.

      They are still trying.  It isn’t true.  A heroic fireman runs towards actual danger to help people.  Even a cop might run towards it to protect a person a group.  A heroic soldier would.  This guy ran towards it because he wanted it.

      • #456417
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        show up?

        Maybe something new has been invented, but I’ve never seen a rifle or a pistol that could stop a bullet. Firearms used as protection rarely destroy other firearms.

        If you are thinking of going somewhere you need a firearm to ‘protect’ yourself, you are really talking about choosing to go into harms way and preparing for the likelihood you’ll need to apply potentially lethal force. Riots aren’t opportunities to live out Rambo fantasies or video games.

        Making the conscious choice to be in a life-threatening situation, isn’t the same as rising to protect yourself and your family in a home assault. IMO it should disqualify all untrained ill, equipped/lacking bullet resistant protection, unsupervised vigilantes from the use of the argument of ‘self-defense’ because what they bring when they tote a firearm into a crisis is added risk of escalation to gun violence.

        History doesn't repeat. We just make the same old mistakes in new contexts.

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    • #456356
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      ..and we won’t have to hear about him again? Or will he be hosting a podcast or a TV show or something?

       

      • #456420
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        which means he’s gonna spend years getting into more trouble.

        Unfortunately, because he wasn’t tried in juvenile court, and because the misdemeanor mistakes he made were dismissed by the Judge, getting Rittenhouse to therapy that could help him mitigate his self-delusion as a Kyle the heroic gun-toting medic is very unlikely.

        History doesn't repeat. We just make the same old mistakes in new contexts.

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    • #456489
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      While it’s not fair and the little shit head came looking for trouble the fact is liberals and progressives cannot have any weapons at protest so they have no leg to stand on to claim self defense.

      Yes it’s wrong but at this point it’s just a fact Republicans can come armed to the teeth and instigate and if there’s anything resembling a weapon by the protesters they can claim self-defense and get away with it.

    • #456496
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      No one here trusts the MSM.  It is a matter of perspective.  Two people (or more) viewing the same thing and having differences of opinion about it.

      Yes, the media manipulates – on both sides.  Hating the kid isn’t the point.  Why did he show up with a rifle if his intentions were Noble?  An AR 15 right?  For some reason my head always confuses that with an AK-47, damn mixing of letters and numbers.

      Anyhow, what any of us think isn’t relevant in terms of his guilt or consequence.  Legally he is innocent – but if he has anything resembling a conscience this will haunt him.  It would certainly haunt me.

      A good point was made above – he should be in therapy.  Given his young age, I do not think rehabilitation is impossible.  But it will likely become so if these “reporters” politicians and various others continue to sing his praises.

      He is not a hero.  He did not do something Noble and good.

      • #456527
        Voltairine
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        and nightmares every night. There are just victims in the whole tragedy.

        Aloha!

      • #456555
        closeupready
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        Some may be like that, but most here (everyone, I think) agrees that killing for killing’s sake is wrong. That is not what happened. @davidthegnome Most of us know that veterans from active war zones will talk about the fact that even when killing the enemy, it’s emotionally painful and traumatizing.

        WATCH. THE. VIDEO. FOOTAGE.

        As an example of how so many of his critics are parroting the lies the media has disseminated about him, they continue to chirp, “his mother drove him across state lines with an AK-47!” Total, absolute fabrication – he lived a mile away from Kenosha, with family there, and he drove himself, the gun was in Kenosha (I guess kept there for hunting purposes…? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_style_rifle#Hunting Lots of Wisconsinites hunt for game in the North Woods during hunting season).

        It’s like, we are supposed to believe his mother is the reincarnation of Ma Baker or something. Nonsense and, at the same time, people are so stupid as to believe it, hilarity.

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        • #457060
          Ohio Barbarian
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          The reports I saw said Rittenhouse’s mom drove him to Kenosha. To be honest, I paid little attention to this case, and am willing to stand corrected on that point. I knew it was going to be a staged media handwringing shit show no matter what verdict the jury returned; the point being to gin up people with hatred for whoever the particular media outlet designates as The Enemy of All That Is Good and Moral.

          And to divide the working class while the oligarchy laughs all the way to the bank. Again. This shit’s gotten so old it isn’t worth my time anymore.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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            closeupready
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            I guess most here believe that you do not have the right to defend yourself against physical or sexual assault, UNLESS you are participating in a riot.

            That if you are fleeing from rioting mobs in the middle of a riot and a rioter with a criminal history points a gun at you, you must let them shoot you first before you can shoot them.

            Bizarro world I want nothing to do with ever.

            I consider critical thinking to be one of the most important civic values, and I’ve never EVER been one to just accept conclusions about current events which are disseminated by MSM personalities. But stuff like this underscores for me that I can’t even trust fellow ‘progressives’ to do critical thinking for me – which is fine, nothing personal of course. I just have to come to my own decisions.

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    • #456564
      lownslow
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      Meanwhile, there will be very little coverage of the ghislane maxwell trial

      • #457046
        Earthartist
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        And nothing about the US giving deadly arms to the Nazis in Ukraine each day we get closer to WW3 and americans are oblivious. This trial is what America has become a violent divided nation sold on Bullshit every day. Think about Russiagate 4+ years of total BS and we wonder why 1-6 happened.

        I was legal observing during a bunch of BLM protests and participating in some as well. Their were right wingers armed to the tenth at several, their was a Black armed group and a white armed group at one. I was legal observing and Standing next to all these Black armed men feeling kind of safe then I realized how utterly stupid that was, has I would be taking bullets from both sides! I had a guy want to run through a group of families when I was piece keeping at a protest and 3 other times where cars were used as weapons. This was not even the cops using chemical weapons, or killing weapons!

        the oligarchs love it cause we let them threaten china Iran and Russia with war and know nothing about it except what the oligarch media wants us to know. Keep fighting is what they want!!!!!

        Earthartist

    • #456985
      Pam2
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      ..that Rittenhouse now has a publicist. 😕

      • #456986
        Satan
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        Not just FAUX but apparently CNN now too. I haven’t watched either one, apart from bits & pieces I’ve seen elsewhere.

        No way in Hell that ignorant little shit could have landed that kind of airtime on his own. My question is…. who the fuck is bankrolling all of this??

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

        • #456989
          Pam2
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          @satan

          I was hoping he might fade back into obscurity, no such luck.

           

          • #457004
            Voltairine
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            who want to use Rittenhouse case against ultra-right wing media such as CNN, MSNBC  etc, and/or the current white supremacist POTUS.

            Aloha!

            • #457012
              closeupready
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              Like Jewell, Rittenhouse will be richly compensated for what he and his family have gone through.

              The media will come out of this looking worse than ever, but give it a year or two, and someone else will be selected as the mainstream media’s victim (which, I have to observe, they can probably avoid as long as they don’t cross state lines).

              Finally, in my view, there is NO POINT in carrying on this discussion further with any of those who were convinced he would be sent to prison for the rest of his life, but who were wrong, and now seem determined to malign the defendant as a means perhaps of assuaging cognitive dissonance. I mean, “no point” as far as I’m concerned, but continue the discussion if you wish. Cheers.

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    • #457049
      Pam2
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      I accept the verdict, but it doesn’t make this guy a hero. I don’t want to see him constantly cropping up on TV. As I said, he needs to fade away.

       

    • #457123
      Yanath
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      @satan

      Kyle Rittenhouse did in fact know he was being chased by a racist maniac who was threatening to kill him. The fact that he was running away with a rifle in his hands, says that he was not intent on killing anyone.

      It’s pretty clear that you don’t have the slightest idea what happened.

      • #457126
        Satan
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        and I suppose you also believed Fat Georgie Zimmerman when he claimed he feared he would be beaten to death with a bag of Skittles??

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #457154
      Junker
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      Compared to the treatment Michael Forest Reinoehl got…

    • #457155
      Junker
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    • #456315
      Yanath
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      I figured the rending and gnashing would be epic. Such a state doesn’t mesh well with rational discourse.

    • #456358
      closeupready
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      Good call. 😀 @yanath (and P.S. those who did not watch the video footage are STILL not watching the video footage as you can see by the way they simply reiterate their pre-Friday talking points. With some people, there is simply no point in attempting to discuss things. Well, shrug, I guess.)

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    • #456405
      Voltairine
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      the post-truth hate mongering “liberal” – ie ultra right wing corporate media – that many people even on this thread get their feed and opinions make people sick and insane.

      Aloha!

    • #457178
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      .

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #456419
      closeupready
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      @voltairine

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #457177
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      You might want to re-think how you just directed that pitchfork comment here. There’s a difference in supposing what nasty things people making news cycle do and then there’s addressing participants here at JPR.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

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