So I went online to make a vaccine appointment – sounds simple, right?

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    • #415547
      closeupready
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      There are dozens of locations all over the NYC metro area where they are doing them.

      I click, “Due to high demand, we are currently not accepting new appointments.”  Time after time, location after location.  I even looked in New Jersey, out on Long Island.  Nothing available.  Get that message for every single location.

      I give up.

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    • #415550
      Ohio Barbarian
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      So I did, at a drug store maybe five minutes away. I’ve gotten a couple of texts back saying I’m still on the list, and that they will notify me when I can make an appointment. It’s been two weeks now. Zero, zip, nada. Previous attempts at “mass vaccination events” vaccinated a lot of people, but even more were turned away because too many people showed up.

      Guess I’ll just wait. It’s not like I haven’t already developed some immunity the old-fashoned way–by living through the Covid.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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      • #415626
        GloriaMundi
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        … give them a call. That’s how I got my appointment once I was eligible. No luck with the state online system (California), and no luck with the CVS online system either because I did not have my SS medical card at hand with the number on it. But I was able to book an appointment over the phone, at a nearby CVS. That was just over a month ago, and I just got my 2nd shot on April 4.

        Don’t give up, and good luck!

    • #415554
      gordyfl
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      Every week I go on the internet to make an appoinment for the one-shot J&J. I get the same messages as you. I did get an appointment about 65 miles away, but cancelled it to look for someplace closer. No luck, so far. They say that they will be getting a shipment soon.

    • #415558
      jbnw
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      Before comments below, check this:

      https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/reporting/vaccinefinder/about.html

      . I didn’t succeed with it, but maybe it’s better now.

      And the line was from Biden’s vaccination speech when he said he was opening up eligibility by May 1 ( https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/03/11/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-anniversary-of-the-covid-19-shutdown/ ) – now it’s moved up to April 19 ( https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-adult-eligibility-biden-april-19/ ).

      That’s eligibility – not access. It’s still chaos. In March, he talked about new tools for access – in May. I haven’t heard anything about it since.

      In Oregon, I had 60 or so sites to check (!) including retail chains, where you have to check each store location and then the vaccine type. All out or no vaccination appointments available. The state also maintains a registration list – I was fortunate and ended up with an appointment through a local fire department.

      So Biden sounds good about eligibility – unless you realize that he’s not following “I promise I will do everything in my power” to address the chaos behind having eligible without coordinated city, county, state and national vaccine sign-up, scheduling and delivery.

      It seems like that vaccines and vaccination issues are still coming as a surprise to many when they have had months to prepare. Oregon STILL only has a draft plan from November 6, 2020 published at https://www.oregon.gov/oha/covid19/Documents/COVID-19-Vaccination-Plan-Oregon.pdf .

    • #415562
      Haikugal
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      Nothing available on the website here in PA but my GP called and said they were going to get some vaccine and I made an appointment, which had to be changed to next week because the vaccine didn’t show up this week. Go figure…what a fucking mess!!

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    • #415566
      soryang
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      It took two tries to for me to get the appointment. you need to get up at zero dark thirty to wait for when the queue is intialized, and then wait without leaving the web site until it starts logging people in for appointments at 7am EST here. filling out the questionaire took several minutes, during that time, I was pushed to the very end of the que for the available moderna shots. I got in for the very last appointment time available even though I went out of my way to do this as early and quickly as I could. The first time i tried i wasn’t fast enough. I repeated this for a family member who will get their second shot soon. I didn’t opt for the J&J vaccine because obviously everyone would rather get it done with one shot, so it’s a choke point.

      • #415606
        gordyfl
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        I went on the Publix website at 7am. Every few minutes the page would automatically refresh with the message “Please Wait”, or something like that. I guess it was about a half hour later the screen said “All appointments are booked.” I tried Publix twice in March. No luck. Since then I’ve tried CVS, Walgreens, Winn-Dixie and Walmart (for the J&J). I hope they stock up in a week or two.

    • #415572
      Ohio Barbarian
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      He was a masterful administrator. Truman tapped him to make sure that food got to millions of starving Europeans after World War II, and he did a great job. Sounds like our current government doesn’t know anything about effective distribution, or maybe they just don’t care. They’ve gotten their shots, after all.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #415592
        soryang
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        People in government and industries understood logistics as a management culture. In fact they became managerial experts. I think it’s the last scene in Catch 22 that symbolizes the impact of logistics organization on delivering resources where there are needed. A long line of big rigs are backed up to the docks and unloading their trailer cargo simultaneously. Eisenhower was also reputed to be a logistics genius. Getting an irresistible avalanche of materials to where you need them when they are needed.

        I read a book once about one of the managerial geniuses of the war production board trying to pitch his management techniques in post WWII era, particularly to the auto makers, they weren’t interested. So he went to Japan and pitched his production and management techniques there, they made the necessary changes to their industries and the Japanese wave of autos and electronic goods did serious damage to non competitive US manufacturers.

        What I noticed when I drove around the US and spent a lot of time at warehouses was the so called JIT management style, “just in time.” It is this style that doesn’t allow for product inventory buildups or massive surge distributions in the government sponsored “war production style” of WWII. Without this centrally directed organizational capacity the distribution system is threadbare. But JIT saves warehouse space, thins out production distribution, transportation and end point storage costs. The space of trailers in transit is even calculated to save on warehouse space.

        Now that most businesses have adopted this mode of production and distribution surge capacity is virtually non-existent. The added bottlenecks of refrigeration, and patents aren’t going to help the necessary world wide surge necessary to protect our public health at home by eliminating the pandemic abroad. It is sad that US hospital bed space and ICU space are calculated on a minimum required needs basis also to maximize profit and lowering costs, which doesn’t take into consideration the emergence of unanticipated disasters and their associated requirement for a surge in the disposition of necessary resources. The bean counters are focused on profits not meeting “unanticipated” needs on a massive scale.

        • #415608
          Ohio Barbarian
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          Blind Pig was the user of a Stalinist poster with a sense of humor on some other sites years ago, and that was his sig line. I enjoyed his scathing critiques of capitalist government policies. I think he was in Michigan, but don’t remember. Anyway, some taggers started painting that line of his, as a quote from him, on concrete embankments next to the Cleveland Rapid(light rail) tracks in a very poor working class area.

          There is not a better argument for a National Health Service than the financial kleptocracy’s handling of vaccine production and distribution during a pandemic, in which the only consideration was the maximization of profit for a few plutocrats and their loyal professional management class. There is also not a better illustration of the sociopaths who wield the real power in the West. That old Stalinist would have jumped all over this story.

          Why is revolution so bad again? I forget at times like these.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #415676
          Cold Mountain Trail
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          The Bug in ‘Just-in-Time’ Economics

          Those who brought us the Financial Implosion have set the stage for another, potentially even worse calamity. We must act to prevent a similar disaster in the Real Economy — that could affect manufacturing, commerce and possibly survival — exacerbated by a dangerous over-reliance on “just in time” economics…

          The theme of robustness and resiliency extends far beyond either manufacturing or finance. It is inherent also in areas like Homeland Security, wherein the emphasis of several hundred billions of dollars has been to expensively equip a vast Professional Protector Caste and prepare them to staunch threats. What threats? Why, the ones they anticipate, of course. Oh. In other words, precisely the sort of “we know what we’re doing” thinking that was extant before 9/11, before Katrina, before the brainiacs in the financial sector were proved to be self-deceiving morons….

          Look, I have nothing against the professionals. But they live imbued in a kind of madness, believing for even a minute that they can protect us by anticipating every contingency. And meanwhile, barely a hundredth of a cent on the dollar has been spent on citizen and community-level resiliency. The one thing that worked on 9/11. The one thing that was thwarted during Katrina. The one thing that might someday save us…

          http://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/justintimeeconomics.html

    • #415577
      Punxsutawney
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      And the Biden admin and local government here in Oregon is talking about opening it up to everyone on the 19th.  But people can’t get appointments now and that’s a much more limited population. Good luck in two weeks. Maybe they know something I don’t.  Also, if you look at the vaccination curve, well line actually, if the current administration was actually getting more and more people vaccinated, the line would show an upward curve, slope would steepen upwards. IT IS NOT as of this point.

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      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

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    • #415579
      Jim Lane
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      I was checking the websites for three big drugstore chains in my area (CVS, RiteAid, and Walgreens) — at least I didn’t have to check store-by-store.  I also signed up for notifications from my state Department of Health, my county Department of Health, and two different hospitals that I could reach.  Here in NJ there’s a Facebook group — https://www.facebook.com/groups/njcovidhunters/ — where people were sharing tips about availability.  I was also on the list for a service called Dr. B — New York Times article about it here and website here — that systematizes the vaccine lurker process.  Some sites have leftover vaccine toward the end of the day, because of no-shows and cancellations, and the doses must be used promptly or they will have to be trashed.  The idea of Dr. B is to gather that information so that people can hasten to such a site on short notice and get jabbed without an appointment.

      After spending an inordinate amount of time online over the course of several days, prospecting on these various alternatives, I finally got my first shot at a Walgreens, thanks to the company’s website.  In the ensuing days I received notices of availability from a couple of the other places where I was signed up.

      It’s still not as easy as getting a flu shot.  You just have to keep at it.

      • #415581
        JonLP
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        I was able to get 1st shot of Pfizer vaccine a couple weeks ago. I saw an e-mail that they were vaccinating veterans of all ages at the Phoenix VA. I will be fully vaccinated on April 13th.

        Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      • #415598
        closeupready
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        Cheers!

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    • #415599
      Babel 17
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      They endlessly refresh the pages and thus can nab cancellations within a second of them showing up. That can be automated, and it’s why all the latest CPU’s and gaming cards got snapped up by “bots”. Ditto that for the new PlayStation and Xbox. Newegg and Best Buy are swarmed by bots for electronics that are in short supply. Then they get scalped. Crazy!

      My former canvassing partner got hers already that way, but I don’t mind that, given her health concerns, even though they technically don’t qualify as a comorbidity. I’d have given her my date if that was possible, and it was earlier than hers.

      But here in NY if you live in the suburbs, and don’t know how to game the websites, you could be over 60 years old and see people in their twenties get vaccinated ahead of you. And then if you don’t have a car, be prepared to deal with arranging transportation to a place the buses don’t run to.

      I only nabbed one in the middle of May because I called the phone number the state provides, and according to the person who answered I got very lucky when she searched for an appointment like I had been doing online. I’m over 60, and I went searching a day after my age group was allowed to apply. But someone thought it OK to let everyone else do so as well before only a small fraction of my cohort had gotten appointments.

      Crazy, but this is New York.

      • #415604
        closeupready
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        or doing the right thing.

        I remember when COVID first led to widespread shutdowns.  In the weeks immediately after, as we all will recall, there were toilet paper shortages and food shortages everywhere.  Leading to calls from public officials to keep in mind that old, frail people may need things, and they can’t get them simply because they aren’t as fast as younger people.

        Funny how hypocritical/selfish people can be, but that’s America, isn’t it?

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    • #415601
      salemcourt
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      Now they are providing vaccines for people below 45.  There are multiple sites and normally you get an appointment for either Moderna or Pfizer in about two or three weeks.  Got my first one and will get the second one in two weeks.

    • #415602
      NV Wino
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      Got no call backs. I finally got an email from the local senior community center and was able to get an appointment. That happened only because I know the director of the center.

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