So What is The Sense of Things in PA Senate Race?

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    • #497211
      Snort McDork
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      I was going to post a video but changed my mind since it seemed too wishy-washy. Plus some REpuke County official saying how tired she is about Dems ignoring voters, or the voters are tired of the Dems. So I am asking the question directly to spare people the nausea of having to listen to a couple of brain dead talking heads saying what they asked PA voters. I heard last week Fetterman was ahead. Now it is supposed to be tied. The only poll that counts is what voters say on Tuesday. I hope they don’t say Oz. I will throw up if they vote for a TV Snake Oil Salesman.

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    • #497216
      emme
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      Given how close the race is, it will be contested by the loser. Might get things sorted and know who the winner is by Christmas. Maybe.

      Expect anything close in Tuesday’s election will be contested; maybe even some not so close races.

    • #497221
      Ohio Barbarian
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      They’re going to do it. When McCarthy made that tepid comment that Ukraine would no longer get a blank check with a Republican majority, and the Democrats went all in for unconditional funding and support for Ukraine or else you support genocide you bad person, Democrats lost the Senate.

      Fetterman’s a warmonger and deserves to lose to the snake-oil salesman, just like Ryan is a warmonger and deserves to lose to a hedge fund manager. I think they’re both going down, and their warmongering was the last straw for more than enough voters.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #497743
        Jim Lane
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        @ohiobarbarian

        Apparently, support for Ukraine was not quite the ballot-box poison that you would like it to be.

        At this writing we don’t know the state of things in the House.  The most probable scenario is that the Republicans will flip a few seats (net) to win a narrow majority, and that they will use that majority to launch attacks on Social Security and Medicare, environmental regulation, etc.  A serious threat of a government shutdown and/or debt default is more likely than not, unless the Democrats can keep a majority.

        • #497750
          Ohio Barbarian
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          If he’d been a native Pennsylvanian he probably would have won. I didn’t consider that. Oops.

          Your tone indicates that you are gloating, think that I wanted Oz to win, or both. You can gloat, but I did not support Oz. I’m glad I didn’t have to make that horrible choice or just not vote. It was easier in Ohio.

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

          • #497853
            Jim Lane
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            @ohiobarbarian

            You write, “I did not support Oz.”

            Here’s what you wrote before the election:

            Fetterman’s a warmonger and deserves to lose to the snake-oil salesman, just like Ryan is a warmonger and deserves to lose to a hedge fund manager. I think they’re both going down, and their warmongering was the last straw for more than enough voters.

            From your statement that Fetterman deserved to lose, I thought you supported Oz along with Vance.

            My real point was my disagreement with your second sentence. Foreign policy seems to have been no more than a minor factor. CNN did nationwide exit polling (link) in which it asked more than 18,000 people to name the issue that was most important to their vote. The top responses were: inflation 31%, abortion 27%, crime 11%, gun policy 11%, and immigration 10%. So we know that all foreign policy issues were below 10%. Furthermore, among those concerned about Ukraine, I’m sure there were many who preferred a candidate who endorsed U.S. support for Ukraine.

            IIRC, you had a post a while back in which you pooh-poohed the idea that abortion would be a significant issue. You seem to have made the mistake of projecting your own views onto the electorate. In Ohio, you had the choice between a candidate who was stronger on supporting Ukraine (Ryan) and one who opposed abortion even in cases of rape or incest (Vance). I’m assuming that you support reproductive rights, so you had a choice between two imperfect candidates. You’re certainly entitled to decide that, for your own vote, Ukraine was a more important issue than the rights of ten-year-old rape victims. When you’re opining about the electorate as a whole, though, you have to try not to be influenced by your own preferences.

            • #497864
              Ohio Barbarian
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              Yeah, I voted for Vance, mostly because he’s not completely insane. Ryan is because he thinks nuclear war can be managed and that Joe Biden, of all people, can be entrusted to manage it. Clearly, I had to do what I could to keep a maniac out of the Senate.

              Partly, I did it just to piss people like you off. What I didn’t do it for was any in expectation that any candidate I could vote for would do anything, other than avoid nuclear war, that would materially improve my life. IOW, I didn’t take it seriously at all, because voting isn’t serious. It means very little.

              If we lived in a real democratic republic, it would mean a lot, but we live in an oligarchy, so voting’s really more of a sick joke. Any moralizing to the contrary is contemptible.

              Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

              The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #497222
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      The lead has narrowed enough for me to agree with OP. Fetterman is his own worst enemy. Plus, as Lt. Gov and seeing that Gov Tom Wolf just passed a bill long in the general assembly that is friendly towards oil and gas development, the Democrats sure are pissing off the once-supporters of Wolf/Fetterman.

      Obama is no help and the crazy ass “swing” state has too many uninformed voters who are voting out of desperation for somebody to do something. IOW, this state is as screwed in contested results as the next.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #497224
      Passionate Progressive
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      Isn’t it time we had some new and healthy blood in our political establishment.  I’m tired of the demented, geriatric, impaired ‘crash test dummies’ (attribute to Escobar) puppets….Perhaps this question shouldn’t be asked – but is this the best our country has??!!

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

    • #497226
      djean111
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      POSUCS?  Shoot, they don’t even bother to deliver the snake oil after you have paid through the nose for it.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #497246
      Utopian Leftist
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      The Repugnantcunt Party: “Please, kindly go to HELL!”

      The Demicrapic Party: “Please go to HELL in this shiny, new handbasket!”

      Alternatively to voting, I offer my plan: First of all, these days, drag queens are about the only people who even know what a handbasket is. I’m not sure why HELL is supposedly preferable in one of those. Regardless of the vehicle, the big secret that the queens are all in on, is that one must always GO TO HELL IN STYLE! Therefore, my solution to the world’s problems is for everyone to:

      1) Become a queen.

      2. Sell your chains (material possessions) and give the proceeds to the (by now) desperate poor.

      3. Save enough to leave yourself looking fabulous!

      4. Rule your world with a velvet fist, a silk gown and a heart of gold.

      5. Fuck anyone who disapproves. (Why not? They offered us riffraff NO CHOICE BUT HELL! Let’s give ’em what they asked for.)

      “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
      "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

    • #497249
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      @SnortMcDork,

      My topic thread is consistent with what I think of the state of the race here on 11.06.2022.

      All Republican-held U.S. Senate seats will get retained before the GOP wins over new majority control of the upper chamber of Congress.

      The next U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, in a Republican hold, will be Mehmet Oz.

    • #497271
      djean111
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      that “who counts the votes” thing – remember you deliberately chose this.  Your contempt for theAmerican people is now quite palpable.  IMO, etc.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #497300
      Passionate Progressive
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      Just talked to a former Bernie voter in NH – considers herself progressive…..She just told me a friend admitted to her that he (former consistent vbnmw) was voting Republican but not to tell anybody….She responded that she also was voting Republican – the issue was foreign policy.

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

    • #497332
      Snort McDork
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      So plastic trying to accuse Bernie of being plastic or phony.

      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

      "I like Birdy Num-Nums"

      If you come for Nina Turner, Your ish better be airtight like Tupperware" -Rashida Talib

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