So… what now?
January 1, 2019 at 12:37 PM - Views: 147 #7174David the GnomeParticipant
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Warren has announced that she is in fact running for President. I know feelings about her here are a bit mixed – but I like her. Lacking an alternative (which for me, means Bernie or Tulsi) i will vote for her. No, she isnt Bernie Sanders – but given the others likely to fill the clown car…
What do you all think? Will other progressive candidates toss in their hats? There was a fellow named Andrew Yang I heard about a while back – has some really intriguing ideas.
After those three (Bernie, Tulsi, Elizabeth), who else has real progressive credibility?
January 1, 2019 at 12:57 PM #7184PTTPParticipant
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Already became a monthly donor to him again after the third way attack ads in swing states.
Warren was Republican but changed over to the Third Way DINO Party. She talks some of the progressive talk, but has voted against many of the things I value. I am not a fan of hers, though she would be better than Clinton or Biden.
I am holding out for Bernie.
PowerToThePeople! Bernie or Bust 2020!
January 1, 2019 at 1:10 PM #7187Ohio BarbarianModerator
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In which case, Warren will probably fade away pretty quickly, and most of her supporters would have no problems supporting Bernie.
Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere
January 2, 2019 at 3:15 PM #7576
vote for Elizabeth.
January 1, 2019 at 1:21 PM #7191beeninthewoodsParticipant
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Warren has her upsides and before Bernie ran in the primary I was pretty impressed by her. Once I heard more from Bernie I couldn’t ever imagine going back to supporting Warren in any substantive way. I fear the establishment is using her to try to peel away support from Bernie. But I think that will be a failing tactic. I think true progressives can see the difference and actually loading the Dem primary up with progressive voices will help popularize more leftist views. This may be Bernies “check mate” moment. To beat him they have to run progressives against him, but doing so normalizes his politics.
January 1, 2019 at 1:42 PM #7200djean111Participant
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I left the party, I hate the DNC, which pretty much decides what will happen in Congress. I think the austerity and privatization and war and TPP that the Third Way wants to impose using corporate Dems is the greater evil. Warren is quite the capitalist, and capitalists have ruined this country. So – maybe Green, I will decide after Bernie decides. And if Bernie does not run, I will see who is running, but I am absolutely not on the vote blue no matter who gang. Bear in mind that the DNC has already said they have the right to name the candidate they want regardless of primaries and caucuses and coin tosses, and IMO this is why they kept the super-delegates. So all of this who do you support stuff may be kind of pointless, designed more to try and coax #demexiters back into the chute by thinking we will somehow join the gang again. Nope.
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January 1, 2019 at 2:40 PM #7215Bernice TaBlocked
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If Bernie doesn’t run, or doesn’t get the nomination, then it looks like I’ll vote Green again. I refuse to hold my nose and vote for another lying “liberal” Democrat. My sister likes that Beano guy, but what’s the point of Hillary without the heels?
January 2, 2019 at 3:20 PM #7578
be looking for a Progressive.
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January 1, 2019 at 5:17 PM #7257RexParticipant
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I have to say, I hold no loyalty to the DNC or their party favorites. Burnt too many times.
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January 1, 2019 at 5:31 PM #7260game meatParticipant
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He is the only candidate coming into the primaries who already has the campaign infrastructure in place and a sizable group of supporters already eager to vote for him again. Assuming he keeps most of his supporters (and this is key), the large field of 20+ candidates greatly benefits him as they will all be competing to establish themselves while Bernie just needs to maintain what he already has. I’m cautiously optimistic for now.
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January 2, 2019 at 3:25 PM #7580
fight successfully) against them? If not, Progressives had better come up with some good ideas.
January 1, 2019 at 5:46 PM #7264a little weirdParticipant
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I don’t believe Warren really stands a chance but I could be wrong. I don’t think she’s a bad person and I’m glad she’s in Congress – but I also don’t think she has shown real consistency in her progressive stances. I think she’s too willing to go along with the establishment and compromise away her progressive positions. To some extent, it’s just part of the process that they all are subject to – even Bernie – but where he seems to fight as much as possible and stay consistent on his message, she seems more willing to just fold and say what she thinks people want to hear. If by some miracle, Warren is the nominee then I would consider voting for her but it would not be a sure thing.
January 2, 2019 at 8:35 AM #7455sonofspy777Participant
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behind Bernie Sanders 100%
because there is no other Rational Choice!
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January 2, 2019 at 3:34 PM #7585
know her first before I even heard of Bernie. True, she has some faults. Who doesn’t? Bernie is first on my list, and Elizabeth second.
January 2, 2019 at 9:09 AM #7468Woman Hear Me Roar!!Participant
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behind Bernie Sanders 100%
…..because there is no other Rational Choice!
Dont get me wrong Bernie is cool and I supported him however ii he runs as a Dem I cant support him. The Dems will never allow him to be their candidate.
Fool me once shame on you….fool me twice shame on ME!
Finally women are being heard...finally women are roaring.....
January 2, 2019 at 4:55 PM #7614peacecorpsParticipant
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perhaps not our only, candidate who qualifies as FDR II. Heck it took FDR 4 ballots to win the nomination over Al Smith, the candidate in 1928 who was supported by the DNC (sound familiar?).
FDR seems like a historical inevitability now but it was not the case at the time.
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