So… what now?

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    • #7174
      David the Gnome
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      Warren has announced that she is in fact running for President.  I know feelings about her here are a bit mixed – but I like her.  Lacking an alternative (which for me, means Bernie or Tulsi) i will vote for her.  No, she isnt Bernie Sanders – but given the others likely to fill the clown car…

      What do you all think?  Will other progressive candidates toss in their hats?  There was a fellow named Andrew Yang I heard about a while back – has some really intriguing ideas.

      After those three (Bernie, Tulsi, Elizabeth), who else has real progressive credibility?

    • #7184
      PTTP
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      Already became a monthly donor to him again after the third way attack ads in swing states.

      Warren was Republican but changed over to the Third Way DINO Party.  She talks some of the progressive talk, but has voted against many of the things I value.  I am not a fan of hers, though she would be better than Clinton or Biden.

      I am holding out for Bernie.

      PowerToThePeople!  Bernie or Bust 2020!

    • #7187
      Ohio Barbarian
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      In which case, Warren will probably fade away pretty quickly, and most of her supporters would have no problems supporting Bernie.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #7191
      beeninthewoods
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      Warren has her upsides and before Bernie ran in the primary I was pretty impressed by her. Once I heard more from Bernie I couldn’t ever imagine going back to supporting Warren in any substantive way. I fear the establishment is using her to try to peel away support from Bernie. But I think that will be a failing tactic. I think true progressives can see the difference and actually loading the Dem primary up with progressive voices will help popularize more leftist views. This may be Bernies “check mate” moment. To beat him they have to run progressives against him, but doing so normalizes his politics.

    • #7200
      djean111
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      I left the party, I hate the DNC, which pretty much decides what will happen in Congress.  I think the austerity and privatization and war and TPP that the Third Way wants to impose using corporate Dems is the greater evil.  Warren is quite the capitalist, and capitalists have ruined this country.  So – maybe Green,  I will decide after Bernie decides.  And if Bernie does not run, I will see who is running, but I am absolutely not on the vote blue no matter who gang.  Bear in mind that the DNC has already said they have the right to name the candidate they want regardless of primaries and caucuses and coin tosses, and IMO this is why they kept the super-delegates.  So all of this who do you support stuff may be kind of pointless, designed more to try and coax #demexiters back into the chute by thinking we will somehow join the gang again.  Nope.

    • #7215
      Bernice Ta
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      If Bernie doesn’t run, or doesn’t get the nomination, then it looks like I’ll vote Green again. I refuse to hold my nose and vote for another lying “liberal” Democrat. My sister likes that Beano guy, but what’s the point of Hillary without the heels?

    • #7247
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      cause that candidate smells funny to me

    • #7250
      Pastiche
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      “We’re about to have an election in which Incompetent A is going to be contesting with Incompetent B when both of them have demonstrated nothing remotely like any shred of adequacy to the scope of the problems we face.”

      Richard Wolff

    • #7257
      Rex
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      I have to say, I hold no loyalty to the DNC or their party favorites. Burnt too many times.

      Forcing people to work without pay is akin to slavery.

    • #7260
      game meat
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      He is the only candidate coming into the primaries who already has the campaign infrastructure in place and a sizable group of supporters already eager to vote for him again. Assuming he keeps most of his supporters (and this is key), the large field of 20+ candidates greatly benefits him as they will all be competing to establish themselves while Bernie just needs to maintain what he already has. I’m cautiously optimistic for now.

    • #7264
      a little weird
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      I don’t believe Warren really stands a chance but I could be wrong.  I don’t think she’s a bad person and I’m glad she’s in Congress – but I also don’t think she has shown real consistency in her progressive stances.  I think she’s too willing to go along with the establishment and compromise away her progressive positions.  To some extent, it’s just part of the process that they all are subject to – even Bernie – but where he seems to fight as much as possible and stay consistent on his message, she seems more willing to just fold and say what she thinks people want to hear.  If by some miracle, Warren is the nominee then I would consider voting for her but it would not be a sure thing.

    • #7455
      sonofspy777
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      behind Bernie Sanders 100%

      https://i.postimg.cc/fRtr5xB5/Bernie-2020-JPR.jpg

      because there is no other Rational Choice!

      “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
      ~Samuel Clemens

    • #7468
      Woman Hear Me Roar!!
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      behind Bernie Sanders 100%
      …..because there is no other Rational Choice!

       

      Dont get me wrong Bernie is cool and I supported him however ii he runs as a Dem I cant support him.  The Dems will never allow him to be their candidate.

      Fool me once shame on you….fool me twice shame on ME!

       

      PROUD ExitDEM!

       

      Finally women are being heard...finally women are roaring.....

      • #7614
        peacecorps
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        perhaps not our only, candidate who qualifies as FDR II. Heck it took FDR 4 ballots to win the nomination over Al Smith, the candidate in 1928 who was supported by the DNC (sound familiar?).

        FDR seems like a historical inevitability now but it was not the case at the time.

        The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

        "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

        National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

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