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  • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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    So WHO is going to be the new DNC Chair? This really really matters.

    The much-needed collective soul searching, introspection and serious course-correction (to be kind) that’s going to be essential to save the Democratic Party from itself in coming months and years, is only going to happen if its new DNC chair is someone who is somewhat removed from the hopelessly corrupted Clinton/Wasserman/Brazile crowd.  There are a YUUGE number of newly awakened Democratic voters and potentially supportive Indies — thanks to Bernie Sanders’ campaign — who can and will salvage this disaster, but that’s only going to happen if the new head of the DNC fish is not already rotten.

    The DNC

    The DNC is selected through a complex process in which state representatives, national representatives, and interest group representatives are picked or appointed based on their constituency group.  There are mandated gender balance rules, and ethnic diversity is strongly encouraged in the charter.  The DNC elects the Chairman, and the Chairman and the Executive Committee of the DNC run the national party. 

    The Executive Committee is a committee composed of DNC members chosen based on a semi-elected, semi-appointed process, and is sort of the legislative branch of the DNC.  It is mandated to meet at least four times a year, and oversees DNC operational issues.

    “The Voting Process

    On the weekend of February 23-26, 2017  the members of the Democratic National Committee will elect a new Chairman by majority vote.  If upon the first three ballots, there is no majority, the candidate with the fewest number of votes will be dropped from the ballot, and a new vote held.  This will be repeated until there is a majority choice for Chair.

    Who are the DNC Members?

    There are 441 votes in the Democratic National Committee, split among 446 members.  The goal of the membership makeup of the DNC is to have a representative sample of the members of the Democratic Party from the grassroots, local, state, and Federal level, as well as its various constituents such as labor, women, and minority groups.  There are 200 state party members elected by state committees, conventions, and straight votes, depending on the state.  Every state party chair has a vote, as well as the highest ranking member of the state party who is of the opposite sex as the state party chair.  There are also 75 at large members chosen by appointment, as well as reprentatives from party organs like the House and Senate Conferences, Mayors, AGs, etc.  According to the Charter, there is mandated gender balance within the Democratic National Committee, and among representatives from states and party organs.”

    The above info was lifted from the Kos article link below.  This article provides additional details of exactly who will be entitled to vote in the election of the new DNC Chairperson, and more about how the voting process works.

    I’m still educating myself about this process, who all the candidates are, etc., but personally at this point am hopeful that the new Chair will be Keith Ellison.   I hope we at JPR can begin to give this Feb. 23rd-26th election the attention it deserves, in support of the progressive New Deal Dem wing of the Democratic Party.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/8/84345/-

    ON EDIT: JPR member Fasttense points out below in post #15, that this year’s DNC election date is actually happening on the weekend of Feb 23rd-26th, NOT FEB 12th.  This is a very old Kos article, from 2005, not 2017.  :blush: I am so sorry for the confusion, it was not intentional.   I changed the date to the correct one, and think all the other info about the election process is accurate, but I’ll be way more careful to double check the dates of any articles I post.

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    • Snort McDork (2300 posts)
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      1. I feel the movement to get Keith Ellison is too strong.

      He has the name recognition now and should get the position. And with Bernie’s popularity supporting Keith, that is another plus for him-except for the corporate Dem’s (who will vote otherwise) still in the party who need to be flushed down the toilet when Keith gets the gig.

      • glinda (1792 posts)
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        8. Keith would be excellent but am worried loosing him here in MN.

        Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
        • Snort McDork (2300 posts)
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          9. I don't think you would lose him

          He can still keep his congressional seat.

        • RadicleFantast (1320 posts)
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          12. Well, there's this

          Mark Trahant: A new door opens for a Native woman in Congress

          Keith Ellison is campaigning to chair the Democratic National Committee. If he wins, that opens up a congressional seat in a special election. And, state Rep. Peggy Flanagan, is thinking about running.
          . . .
          Flanagan’s entry into the race would be historic. She’s a member of the White Earth Band of Ojibwe and she would be the first American Indian woman ever elected to Congress.
          . . .
          And Minnesota’s fifth congressional district could be the spot. As Ellison’s biography says, it’s one of the most vibrant and ethnically diverse districts in Minnesota. This is a place where voters would appreciate, even celebrate, the historical significance of this first. After all this is a state that just elected four Native women to its Legislature. Another record.

          Flanagan also has the ideal background for this job. She’s been an organizer working on social justice issues for more than a decade. More than that: She teaches other people how to win campaigns and elections for Wellstone Action and The Management Center (an organization working for social change).

           

          • glinda (1792 posts)
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            39. Thanks for the info. Will check her out. Husband is White Earth. Many friends

            from there also. Sounds promising.

            Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
          • Koko (3350 posts)
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            66. Thanks for that news…

            I had worried about Ellison not being able to devote the time needed to serve in Congress and still be DNC Chair.  Flanagan’s background and experience sounds like she’d be a good replacement for Ellison.

    • Fawke Em (3590 posts)
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      2. If The Who is going to be the Democratic Party chair, the good thing is:

      We Won’t Get Fooled Again!

       

      :lol:

          
      • Phlem (485 posts)
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        3. Nice.

        :)

      • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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        5. Ha-ha.

      • zeemike (1086 posts)
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        16. And that is why I am skeptical

        From out of nowhere Ellison comes and is hailed as the true progressive hope by all…definitely what would happen if we were to get fooled again.

        I don’t think power is relinquished that easily.

        You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?”
        • Fawke Em (3590 posts)
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          17. I think he's seen by the elites as malleable enough to contol

          although I, myself, am not so sure that he is. I think he’s just playing that part, right now.

              
          • zeemike (1086 posts)
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            19. There is a big question in my mind about him being progressive

            Like he is suddenly being portrayed as. He is a defender of Louis Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam…the most regressive religion we have. And if that is progressive then count me out.

            The last thing this party needs is a religious ideology as it’s head.

            You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?”
            • Fawke Em (3590 posts)
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              25. He defended them more than 20 years ago.

              And, if he was really overtly religious, he would have changed his name from Keith Ellison to a Muslim name.

                  
            • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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              56. The ACLU defended the KKK too, but not for nefarious reasons.

      • nxylas (256 posts)
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        22. The OP didn't say "The Who"

        The title read “WHO is going to be the DNC Chair”.

        Bit of a step-down from President of the World, but he never wanted that title anyway.

        "Slavery followed, even voluntary slavery; the weak eagerly submitted to the strong, on condition that the latter aided them to subdue the still weaker. Then there were saints who came to these people, weeping, and talked to them of their pride, of their loss of harmony and due proportion, of their loss of shame. They were laughed at or pelted with stones." - Dostoevsky, The Dream of a Ridiculous Man
        • Fawke Em (3590 posts)
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          23. I'll get in my Tardis and go back in time to change it.

          ;)

           

              
          • cascadiance (2174 posts)
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            42. As long as "she" doesn't try to change history through the Tardis!

            Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
            • Ohio Barbarian (3160 posts)
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              58. Awk! I did NOT need that image in my brain!

              Besides, She would have made a better assistant for the Master, not the Doctor!

              "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
            • Fawke Em (3590 posts)
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              63. Naw… She'd still lose.

              She’s that bad.

                  
        • nevereVereven (2485 posts)
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          24. It did in some potential realytie someweare…but not here. :(

          Just wanted to tell you “Nice Job” on the DocPic.

          A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
      • nevereVereven (2485 posts)
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        27. Well, I don't know much about that, being so naive and trusting as I am…

        But with D.J. Trump about to move into the White House,

        I’m gearing up to fight for my meals.

        A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
        • Fawke Em (3590 posts)
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          30. You'll get your back into your living.

          But you’ll need to fight.

          To prove your right.

          And you won’t need to be forgiven.

           

          (The Who is my favorite band.)

              
      • TRex (2238 posts)
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        38. Maybe scare the DNC-PAC, throw Ventura in there

        with Sanders and Ellison. Three people they have no control over, real populists.

        We can thank the rich for one thing - times are changing due to the silent depression in the working class. I don't think the rich will be happy with the changes, but they forced it upon themselves through greed and avarice.
    • Marym625 (21526 posts)
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      4. I'm with you there

      And it would be great if the party actually started to act like it should. But I’m not going to hold my breath.

      However, I’m putting this on The Daily Radical. Hopefully, that will help.

      :)

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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        6. Thanks Mary

        I had not seen much if anything on JPR about this recently, and it just dawned on me that Feb 12th is just around the corner.   Here’s hoping.  :fistbump:

        • Marym625 (21526 posts)
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          7. I've seen some but not much

          Yes, here’s hoping :fistbump:

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • ThomPaine (3524 posts)
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          31. If by Feb 12 you mean the vote, the OP updated that to Feb 25 -26.

          aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
      • ThomPaine (3524 posts)
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        29. Great choice Mary.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
        • Marym625 (21526 posts)
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          33. Thanks!

          Sometimes I find them on my own. :)

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • ThouArtThat (4049 posts)
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      11. As Long As One Smidgen Of The Clintons, DLC Or Third Way Remains

      In the DNC, nothing will change.

      So far, none of the candidates for the post have stated that a house cleaning is in order or planned.

      Accordingly, it matters not who is running or who will win because the house will remain infested with mold.

      "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
      • d3lic (1144 posts)
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        41. Schumer and Pelosi are core 3rd way.

        Bernie’s “Our Revolution” has a long road to travel, to unseat the big money hacks and actually change the Dem party in any meaningful way and the tires haven’t hit the road yet, far as I can see.

        Words, yes.  The town hall on CNN today was great – the man is on fire.

        But then Pres. Obama is good with words, too. When I listen to him I still believe it because the words sound so right, and the contrast from Bush W. is … brain/nobrain.

        I think he (Bernie) has to come right out and support independents – get on stage with people like Kshama Sawant – else the fire is sure to be doused.

        As TYT says, the Dems are weak and have a loser mentality, and of the Dems the progressive caucus is the least powerful, yet most populous.  Compare how many of the progressive caucus endorsed/supported HRC vs how many came out and endorsed/supported Bernie.  I about puked when Supply Side Jesus groveled before his God.  Even Warren stood back and watched – she hasn’t a big enough vision.  So what does that say?  How can Bernie stand up to that, with all the money and power and inside tracks, and win, if he’s so much alone?

        • ThouArtThat (4049 posts)
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          43. Yes Genrally Agree – However – Bernie Failed Big Time With Question One

          At the town hall.

          There is no credible evidence that the Russians hacked the presidential election.

          There is only MIC and Intelligence speculation which I have learned not to trust.

          Bernie lost a lot of my support by repeating the lie.

          "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
          • d3lic (1144 posts)
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            44. How could that lose a lot of your support?

            I mean wtf?

            That’s a raindrop in an ocean.

            Come on, do you really think that ANY politician could be perfect for you?  Say the perfect sentences every time, in an open unscripted forum?  Show me another politician on the left who would do what Bernie did.  Show me.  Show me where the support you lost for Bernie went.

            • ThouArtThat (4049 posts)
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              45. We Wil Have To Agree To Disagree On This Point

              eom

              "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
              • d3lic (1144 posts)
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                46. OK.

                I just don’t like us eating our own.

                We aren’t zombies.

                • ThouArtThat (4049 posts)
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                  49. Bernie Is At Fault – Not This Progressive – Direct Frustration There

                  eom

                  "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
    • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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      13. From what I've read Perez is Ellison's toughest competitor.

      He is who Obama wants, and he supports the TPP.  So I have to hope he doesn’t win.  For me, it will be very discouraging if Ellison is defeated.

      Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
      • d3lic (1144 posts)
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        47. Those guys with their fracking, TPP, drone wars, are bad news.

        Just remember, Trump is fracking, TPP, drone wars on steroids.

        And Trump is a hell of a lot more.

    • Peacebird (826 posts)
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      14. The DLC/thirdway/neolib/corporatists will shove in one of their own

      and continue to denigrate / demonize progressives as the party elite lurch further right.

      • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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        20. Well..that's why Feb 23-26 dates are so important, to prevent that if possible.

        And we will know by Feb 23-26  if the “big tent” is going to insist on further shrinking & folding in upon itself,  while alienating  everyone to the left of  Attila the Hun.

        If ^that^ happens — i.e. a 3rd Way corporate stooge is installed — it’s fucking over.  Time to definitely go “3rd Party, NOT 3rd Way”.

        But I think it behoves us Dems to at least give Ellison a try.

        • d3lic (1144 posts)
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          48. +1

    • Fasttense (1380 posts)
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      15. Everything I've read said the vote will happen around 24 Feb

      And this article says the vote will happen around the 12th of Feb….I’m confused.

      • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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        21. Great point, thanks for mentioning that. I went to Wikipedia and found this

        “The 2017 Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairmanship election will be held during the weekend of February 23–26, 2017, to determine the next chairperson of the DNC.[1] Other officers of the party will also be elected, including four out of five Vice Chairs, a Treasurer, a Secretary, and a National Finance Chair.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_chairmanship_election,_2017

        Turns out that Kos article is from 2005 DNC chair election, NOT 2017.  Thank you so much for catching that error.  Don’t want to be spreading false or misleading info.  Thank you, thank you!!!   :fistbump:

        • Fasttense (1380 posts)
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          26. Thanks for the update. You have removed all confusion. n/t

    • Silver Witch (4774 posts)
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      18. I am no longer a Democrat and so could care less. J

      just as I don’t care who runs the Republican Party. I am voting for people based on their actions not for a big D by their name.

      #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • Snort McDork (2300 posts)
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        28. Well if your really wondering WHO……

        I’ll raise you a WHO and call.

        • Silver Witch (4774 posts)
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          34. Ahh your callnis well placed. No one beats the WHO!

          #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • ThomPaine (3524 posts)
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        32. I understand your frustration with the DEmocratic Party LEADERSHIP. We need to

        change it and could use your help.  You say ” I am voting for people based on their actions not for a big D by their name.”  You can do that and should do that even as a registered Democrat.

        I want to fight them on all fronts.

        Remember, it’s the Leadership that is killing the party and we can change that.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
        • Silver Witch (4774 posts)
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          35. Clearly we can't change it.

          Change is shamed and shunned by “now-dems”. They like it just the way it is.

          I am powerless against the likes of many dems here and at that other place who see no wrong in the actions of the dem party during this election cycle.

          Sorry ThomPaine unless they change dramatically I have no interest playing in their sandbox.

          #Let'sTalkRevolution
          • Snort McDork (2300 posts)
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            36. I am conveinced that Keith understands well what is at stake.

            If he gets the gig and goes in and cleans house, it should be the best path progressives will have in over 30 years. Then perhaps we can see more “Berner” candidates running and even Bernie himself. And if he does get it, can we persuade him to use the 50 state strategy?

            Not 35, or 38, or 40. But all 50 of em.

            WHO knows what could happen?

            • Silver Witch (4774 posts)
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              51. We shall see Snort. My

              I hope you are right. But don’t be too disappointed if he turns out to be just like them. Look at Franken. I though he would be super progressive.

              #Let'sTalkRevolution
          • ThomPaine (3524 posts)
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            57. I think we can change it. The Republican Establishment got beat and now it's

            time for the Democratic Establishment to get beat.  In any case I am going to stay and fight.

            aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
            • Silver Witch (4774 posts)
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              60. I support you in that…

              and in the event there is change I will happily join you.

              #Let'sTalkRevolution
        • Ohio Barbarian (3160 posts)
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          59. In order for us and other like-minded people to take over the Democratic Party,

          the DNC would have to change the rules. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just don’t see them doing that. The rules are designed to keep real progressives from taking over. And they work just as intended, as was dramatically illustrated last year.

          "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
    • TRex (2238 posts)
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      37. Ellison did say we should be wary of then nobody candidate Trump.

      He and Sanders working together would be a fresh start for the DNC, fuck the I Hate Tents elitists.

      FUCK EM! Their riches asses can afford it. Remember that.

      They can afford it, we cannot.

      We can thank the rich for one thing - times are changing due to the silent depression in the working class. I don't think the rich will be happy with the changes, but they forced it upon themselves through greed and avarice.
    • id-entity (2047 posts)
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      50. An insider

      Someone who pledges to their insider Omerta conspiracy of silence, over what goes on inside. And that’s all that matters.

       

      Yanis Varoufakis; Living as an Outsider

      Yanis Varoufakis believes there are two kinds of politicians – the Insiders and the Outsiders. You didn’t need to go to his series of extended soliloquies on European economic history last night to know which of the two kinds of politicians he sees himself as. You did, however, need to go last night if you wanted to know why.
      From his “very recent and very short” political career, it is clear that Varoufakis is a man with very strong opinions. The strength of his convictions generally garner a similar response in turn, hence his reputation as one of the more polarising figures in international politics. It’s almost lucky, a coincidence really, that both nights he was slated to speak at the Writers’ Festival the discussion with the moderator dragged on and the audience Q&A was abandoned. To some, the University of Sydney Honorary Associate is a game theorist academic with a keen mind unaccustomed to the pragmatic realities of international diplomacy, to others he is a belligerent patriot hell bent on the fracture and collapse of European unity. The truth, as with most things, likely lies somewhere in the middle.

      For a start, the former Greek finance minister is charismatic. It’s not always common to witness the partnership of his level of extraordinary academic understanding and his very entertaining, lucid style of communication. He spoke in clear, seemingly well-rehearsed analogies, straying from the podium and followed by the watchful gaze of the audience. As with all controversial speakers, there is an air of tension in the room and one gets the sense that he relishes in turning that into a sense of understanding.

      Varoufakis, as a former politician and a lifelong Outsider, was by no means beholden to hold his tongue on his time in parliament. In fact, quite the opposite – it appeared he was actively trying to shape the narrative over his time in politics. He mentioned details of private conversations with the IMF Chairwoman, the German Finance Minister (both appeared to be more privately sympathetic to the plight of the Greeks than they were publicly), and even his conversation with former US Secretary of Treasury Larry Summers wherein he referred to him as “the prince of darkness”. He called the EU “a cartel” wherein “Germany is the horse and France is the coach-master”.

      http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/sydneylife/2016/05/yanis_varoufakis_living_as_an.html

       

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      • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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        55. +100

    • ZimInSeattle (972 posts)
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      52. Not holding my breath. I believe the DLC wing of the party still has way too

      much control and will install Perez. I #DemExited last summer when Bernie endorsed Killary and I will vote independent whenever I can from here on out. Until the corporate duopoly is no longer, there will be little progress toward economic and social justice.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON! |“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)
      • VoiceOfReason (989 posts)
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        53. I would vote for two people with chair experience

        Clint Eastwood or Bobby Knight.

        Meh!

         

        "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire BERN BABY BERN!!  War is madness!
      • 99thMonkey (3346 posts)
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        54. Can't say I blame you for your choices

        and the reasoning behind those choices.

        Let me ask you, if it turns out that Ellison does win, and things start to turn around in general for the Dems in a more progressive direction, would you ever consider rejoining the Democratic party?

        • ZimInSeattle (972 posts)
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          65. Perhaps. But as the saying goes, fool me once…

          "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON! |“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)
    • Carolab (1112 posts)
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      61. I watched three candidates debate on CSpan last month.

      Ellison, the DNC party head from North Carolina (Jaime Harrison) and the DNC party head from New Hampshire (Ray Boynton).  I would be okay with any of the three.

      Perez and Ellison are now considered the top two.

      But we also have Sally Boynton Brown, executive director of the Idaho Democratic Party and Pete Buttigieg, Mayor of South Bend, Indiana.  Buttigieg also got a boost from Obama.

    • senz (5252 posts)
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      62. If the DNC stays 3rd Way, then it's time for a people's party

      because we absolutely must have one.  The 2016 election showed how fed up the American people are with TPTB, and there’s no better time to start a new political party than immediately after a major election.

      • VoiceOfReason (989 posts)
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        64. "The Pitch Fork Party"

        That’s a name description.

        Motto: “dam the torpedos, full speed ahead.

        For: term limits; congressional pay cuts and perks, strong voting rights; tax reform [real tax reform], raise taxes instead of borrowing, tax churches who participate in politics;  medical reform such as fraud, overbilling, tort reform, health system like canada, break up insurance monopolies [price fixing collusion], allow foreign importation of prescription drugs, ad infintim; ligalize marijuana and magic mushrooms; end the war on drugs; drug tests for all government officails; Term limits for supreme court;  end lobbying [it’s legalized bribery]; preserve public lands and turn them into public parks; end pollution; give every law abiding citizen a voucher for an assault rifle and ammo; abolish the electoral college; free college education, and don’t  don’t fuck with the people!

        IMPEACH TRUMP!

        IMHO.

         

         

        "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire BERN BABY BERN!!  War is madness!