Socialists think Trump plans coup. Anyone else?

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    • #323234
      HassleCat
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      A friend who lives in DC tells me Trump is planning a domestic coup to declare some kind of emergency that will allow him to cancel the election and seize control well beyond his constitutional limits. He knows he must do this because Mark Warner of the Senate Intelligence Committee has proof that Trump is spying for the Russians. Unless Trump can stage a coup and gain dictatorial control, he will be impeached, removed, convicted of treason and executed. And we thought the people pushing Russia! Russia! Russia! were wrapped a little too tight. When I hear theories like this, I almost wish they were true. Think about it. Trump tries to overthrow the government and ends up hanged for treason. Sure. Why not? I must admit, the part where Trump attempts to seize control is plausible.

      https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/06/02/pers-j02.html

    • #323241
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      Because the crimes that Trump had accumulated over the term that could have truly removed him were ignored on purpose… It goes beyond the stupid fuck in the WH. It takes a village of “leaders” of the House and Senate that benefit by the continuation of Trump in the WH to create this fucking situation.

      Why go with the pile of shit you make up if you could legitimately get rid of him with the shit that he’s actually done?

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #323242
      NV Wino
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      What actually happens is something else entirely.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #323243
      Punxsutawney
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      But if you look at the behavior of Republicans and the fact that virtually none of them are criticizing tRump, something is being planned. They seem to be awfully unconcerned about losing the election and I’m sure we only know a small percentage of the bad behavior that’s going on and I think even Biden will investigate the most egregious stuff.

      And we have a crazy megalomaniac in charge with a cult base that couldn’t be more uninformed, before you get to his other numerous mental issues. With a amoral attorney general and a bunch of sycophants to round out the cabinet. And to be a rethug politician is basically to declare that you have no morals. Sorry no apologies there, show me one that does consistently show a conscience in this country, just not occasionally when convenient. And then the spineless dissembling Democrat leadership for opposition, compromised to the oligarchs in their own ways and having wasted the last three and a half years screaming “Russia, Russia, Russia!” rather than building opposition policies, especially on the economic side. Doesn’t look great going forward. It is up to us to say enough’s, enough, and I don’t doubt they plan on making examples of real resistance at some point in the future if necessary.

      As I’ve said before, for most of us, no easy choices going forward. Yeah, I’m a downer, I know…just pisses me off because this never had to be.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

    • #323245
      Voltairine
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      Ah… Trotskyists. 🙂

      As a former member of a Trotskyite party, seen from inside what they are worth, I don’t think too highly of them and their opinions. There’s also something curious about many neocon intellectuals being former trotters…

      As for the conspiracy theory of a POTUS planning a coup, it’s natural for a trotskyite to think of, especially as excuse to act out a preventive coup to prevent coup by Head Secretary of the Central Committee… oops I mean POTUS. You need to understand the trotter mindset is mostly focused on internal power struggles, not because they are bad people as such, but because that’s how centralism works and organizes thoughts and actions of people. And that’s why Trotskyism etc. centralism does not get anything actual done and is considered a joke by libertarian socialists.

      So if the insider factions of DC are planning for coups and counter coups and god knows what, who cares? Let them coup all their want, we prefer to have our enemy divided and ineffective… 🙂

      Aloha!

    • #323253
      PADemD
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      I think he’s planning a civil war.   He’s already erected a barricade around the White House.

    • #323277
      doh1304
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      Reading this my first thought was this song: (warning! NSFW)

      Trump really isn’t that much like W, but you can think of him like that. Actually W really did think of declaring himself President for life, just when the time came he didn’t have the courage.  I doubt Trump seriously thought of it, but he might be goaded into it. He’s got the ego, and audacity trumps lack of courage.

      • #323287
        Voltairine
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        Well, most recent example is Evo Morales, who overextended the hospitability of the people who cleared the way for his tenure in the first place. RW actions were much less decisive for Morales loss than losing the support of the indigenous social movements who got fed up with his increasing authoritarianism and corruption as he tried to roll over constitutional term limits 4th time, to roll over sanctity of Pacha Mama and sell its riches to corporate capitalism.

        It was not only those who rooted for RW taking over state power in Bolivia (in formal constitutional manner, at first) who showed their colonialist racism. It was not less colonialist and racist for leftie liberals to declare their support for ousted Morales and deny indigenous opposition of Morales a voice.

        Time to put end to all personality cults, whether for or against, whether left or right. Our common issues are not about politicians and their personalities, focusing on them is only a diversion from the real issues. Our common issues are about the issues. Listening to all interested parties in respectful manner and engaging complex negotiation processes to reach consensus over what action to take, if any.

        Aloha!

    • #323333
      MizzGrizz
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      Trump isn’t going to do anything of the kind.He’ll run for re-election,he may win,but at the rate he’s handling things,he may lose.

      Of course he doesn’t care either way.If he loses,he’ll still have more opportunity to show off as an ex-president than he had as the star of a reality show.

      So he will do like George did and coast on that.And in time,he will be rehabilitated too.If the system can rehabilitate George they can rehabilitate any low life they want to.

    • #323348
      Fasttense
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      He gets everything he wants from Moscow Mitch and military leaders. Yeah, he wishes he could kill more Americans. 100,000+ is not enough for his hate fantasies. But a coup won’t guarantee him more mass deaths.

      Mitch takes care of all Trump’s needs, the GOP and military bows to his power and the filthy rich still need him to hand over more of our national wealth like Social Security.

      So next up, rig the election.

      • #323424
        Earthartist
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        Fastense. My only dis agreement here is the republican military, the pentagon is no more republican then the oligarchs the. Pentagon has been created into the foul murder machine by both parties that hurl themselves to vote,  to give all our tax dollars to the war machine and it’s corporate handlers.

        As far as trump setting himself up for life? Come on this is what the right wing claimed for 8 years of obummer. This is not worth  the time but I will point out to all of you that….. Trump has failed every operation he has tried including bringing the military to cities.  His own staff were all over the map with this.  Trump does not have the temperament to take over. Just look at his temper tantrum over bunker trump this back fired spectacularly. Trump used is power to gas and shove peaceful protesters out of the way so he could have a photo Opp, and now We have a 2 block Black Lives Matter painted down the road. By the City! Everything this moron does splatters back in his face.  Yah not worried in the least. Actually it could be very amusing to watch him try.

        Earthartist

    • #323351
      GZeusH
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      Maybe he could file Chapter XIII and plan a reorganization, he’s got a lot of experience at that.

    • #323375
      RufusTFirefly
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      “Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020, there will never be a peaceful transition of power,” Cohen said during his closing remarks before the House of Representatives Oversight Committee.

      Luckily, Joe Biden, the Great Liberator, will save us.

    • #323377
      Ohio Barbarian
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      And that, as they say, will be that.

      As for your friend, sorry, but Russiagate was a total hoax and it won’t be the Democrats who rise up against him. They’re worthless.

       

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #323392
      Junker
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      Against the like of Bye Done, tRump won’t need a coup.

    • #323470
      doh1304
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      but Hillary misjudged how hated she was and no one saw Biden’s dementia coming. Now the stage is set but there’s no one to ride the sedan chair.

    • #323499
      Voltairine
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      And Pentagon etc convince others required convincingly enough for coup by 25th, get ready to say ‘President Pence’.

      I’m so getting ready for Prepe the Flog memes… and prepenting that already. 😉

      Aloha!

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