Statues of ‘our nation’s greatest heroes’ have been torn down, VP Pence says to crowded Dallas church

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      N2Doc
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      Vice President Mike Pence took the stage Sunday morning at megachurch First Baptist Dallas for a “Celebrate Freedom Sunday” event. 

      During his speech to the congregation of hundreds, he touched on some of the challenges the country is facing, including the pandemic, the economic downturn and the protests against racial injustice sparked by the death of George Floyd in police custody.

      While discussing those protests, Pence referred to them as “chaos” that had taken place across many large cities in the country. He then discussed the Confederate statues that have come down as a result.

      “We find ourselves in a challenging time in our nation’s history,” Pence said.

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      The nation you refer to doesn’t exist anymore. It ended in 1865.

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      bazukhov
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       It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.

       Voltaire

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      incognito
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      Not that I really give a shit what happens to any of those people.

      It sounds like they’re trying their best to start race Riots. Greatest heroes? To whom? The KKK!

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      Jan Boehmerman
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      Like to hear Pence talk about that!

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      Populist Prole
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      HassleCat
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      On the wrong side, if we’re talking about the confederates. Admiral Yamamoto fought heroically and was a brilliant strategist, but we don’t have statues of him. Irwin Rommel was a great tank commander, but no statue. Ho Chi Minh? As far as I’m aware, we avoid recognizing the brilliance and bravery of our enemies. Joe Stalin was on our side, but we didn’t add him to Mt. Rushmore. Why do we regard the confederates differently? We have their statues on public property. There are museums to honor them. Their battle flag flies at numerous public events. The confederate argument would be more credible if we honored all our enemies the way we honor Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson.

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      retired liberal
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      Love it! Nice piece of critical thinking.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

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      MizzGrizz
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      ..instead of tearing down the statues,why not put up the statue of a slave next to them,or a plaque explaining the causes of the Civil War?There was a time,and I remember it,when we were more nuanced in our thinking than we are today.

      When I was a cub,the John Hancock company did a series of ads featuring stories about great historical figures.Lee and Grant both got a page,with Lee explained as a man who didn’t own slaves And was willing to reconcile with the Union after the war.All true.This was in the Kennedy days,the civil rights era.We could then accept that someone could have even been on the wrong side and part of history.

      Tearing down statues is a feel good gesture only.It does absolutely nothing to solve or address the real problem of police brutality toward blacks and poor people.IT IS THEATER—the only thing this shithole country is capable of stirring itself for anymore.

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