Staying 6 feet apart indoors does almost nothing to stop the spread of COVID-19, MIT study finds

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    • #419623
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      The widely used rule of staying 6 feet away from others does little to affect the risk of exposure to COVID-19 in indoor spaces, according to a new study out of MIT.

      According to MIT researchers, the rule is based on an outdated understanding of how the coronavirus moves in closed spaces.

      They said other variables — like the number of people in a space, whether they wear masks, what they are doing, and the level of ventilation — were much more important.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/6-ft-social-distancing-rule-exposure-indoors-2021-4

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    • #419626
      GZeusH
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      Knowing MIT, if they are pulling an all-nighter at the Student Center library to get their circuit design problem set finished, COVID does not move amongst the nerds.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

    • #419631
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      indoors depends upon ventilation and whether or not one is breathing in infected air (ding, ding, ding)

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      I would say, it does more than nothing.  We don’t need to give the anti-maskers more ammunition in their poor arguments.  being six feet apart will allow most of the larger aerosol droplets to fall below the breathing level of most people.  It has to help.  Besides, what’s the matter with having personal space?

      • #419666
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        I think the real problem is concentration of the virus in closed spaces. Masks are not 100% effective, and the more close the space, the more the virus can concentrate, the more likely it is to infect someone else.

        So it’s back to open everything up or shut it down. These half-assed measures accomplish nothing except fear and confusion.

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          I don’t like people getting too close but indoors it doesn’t function well such as when lines are next to each other. I already knew about the circulation indoors but the masks have kept me from catching the thing AFAIK.

          No matter what state governors do businesses are largely going to do what they can to avoid catching a lawsuit.

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      @ohiobarbarian is also correct that six feet isn’t really a reasonable expectation.  Unless you have a large store with only a few customers, it isn’t really feasible anyway.

      I think our best bet is still masks and frequent hand washing.  That, of course – and probably vaccinations.  If the numbers and reports I’ve read are accurate, the vaccines so far have prevented death and hospitalization among those fully vaccinated.

      It is likely that we will need booster shots – but I am uncertain as to whether it will be a one time thing or a yearly thing as with influenza.

      What I see as a much greater concern is the spread in India.  That – and the monopoly that a few Countries and corporations seem to have on the vaccines.  As far as I know the patents have not been lifted.

      Given the growth of covid19 in India in particular, we will almost certainly see mutations and new variants.  The threat that this could create a much more deadly virus is significant.

      Greed, really.  Most of us who have had to go into a small town grocery store or gas station (let alone more urban areas) know that the six feet rule is mostly pointless.

      Masks work much better at protecting others from you than protecting you.  So it only really works well if more people wear them than not.  I regularly see some who won’t, in some places – but a lot more that do mask up.

      A really big question is whether or not a current or future variant of the virus will render vaccination ineffective.  These were created very quickly – and given out very quickly.  More study is needed, more time.

      It also occurs to me that Nations and individuals and groups worried about population growth (some of them – not all ) might very well see the situation in India as a partial solution.  If it isn’t addressed, it is almost certain that millions in India will die.

      Ugly situation.

      • #419687
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        The county ordered us all back to the office this coming Monday. The cubicles at work do not meet the governor’s guidelines, so guess who just called the governor’s office? My employer offered no operational reason for this, other than We Said So, That’s Why! Productivity is actually up since we’ve been working from home, so there is no operational reason.

        But our county’s run by Democrats, so what can one expect?

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      @ohiobarbarian I wouldn’t expect much from them.  Republicans and Democrats are really members of the “unity in ignorance and greed” corporation.  I have been writing to Senators and house members trying to get them to take seriously – or at least address my concerns regarding the situation in India.  All I’ve gotten (and probably will get) are automated messages.  Not even clever automated messages as several have not a damn thing to do with the context of what my emails were about.

      As much as there is dick shaking going on between Russia and the U.S., China and Taiwan, Israel and Iran and so on and so forth… it seems that world governments are missing the actual picture that matters.  Densely populated Country of nearly 1.4 billion, many millions living in poverty and extreme poverty – precious little if any access to vaccinations, poor infrastructure, not nearly enough medical professionals to go around…

      When covid19 started here, many of us feared this exact sort of thing – the exact sort of thing that is happening in India now.  Difference was, back then, we feared it for our own Nations.  Now the vaccines available among some Countries have been monopolized, packaged, sold… and are currently being marketed in Countries that can pay for them.  Greed is overwhelming common sense – on a global level.  Our business isn’t with Russia or China, it is with managing the situation in India before it destroys their Country and causes millions of deaths – a situation that will spread to neighboring Countries – and further.

      If my worst concerns about this are realized, its dystopia type shit.

      I see no reason why you all can’t work from home.  If your tasks do not absolutely necessitate face to face meetings, then, frankly, they are deliberately putting you and others at risk for no valid reason.  “Get things back to normal” is bull shit.  Ain’t gonna happen.  There is a new normal new – even uglier than the old one.

      Fuck the politicians – all of them.  Somehow, we’ve got to figure out a way to take back control before it is too late.  The fact that they are dicking around with Russia and China while a global threat still remains very much a reality… and actually worsening the situation by adding more threats…

      Shit, man.  I don’t know about this cowardly new world.

      • #419696
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        So no, there’s no reason whatsoever, except for power and control. Workplaces are dictatorships, not democracies, and that’s the problem.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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