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    • #492667
      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON (AP) — In a major expansion of gun rights, the Supreme Court said Thursday that Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense.

      The decision follows recent mass shootings and is expected to ultimately allow more people to legally carry guns on the streets of the nation’s largest cities — including New York, Los Angeles and Boston — and elsewhere. About a quarter of the U.S. population live in states expected to be affected by the ruling, which struck down a New York gun law. The decision, the high court’s first major gun decision in more than a decade, was 6-3 with the court’s conservatives in the majority and liberals in dissent.

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      In the opinion itself, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote for the majority that the Constitution protects “an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.”

      The decision struck down a New York law requiring people to demonstrate a particular need for carrying a gun in order to get a license to carry one in public. The justices said that requirement violates the Second Amendment right to “keep and bear arms.”

      Full story here

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #492668
      Satan
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      yeah… if only the fucking useless cunt who blatantly STOLE the 2016 primary had been elected President, we would all be in a magical weathervane Paradise where no bad things ever happen…

      And I’d like to know what “Constitution” that Clarence the Clown is reading…. because the copy I have down here in Hell says this…..

      A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed

      Now Clarence, I don’t care what your old pal Fat Tony told you, there’s NOTHING in there that says anything about individual gun ownership, and definitely nothing about carrying a gun OUTSIDE the home. Frankly, half the reason for the militias mentioned, was to keep in line the folks who looked like you, Mr. Justice Thomas. Not so your lunatic wife & her Q-Anus cult friends could run around threatening mortals in the streets without cause.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

      • #492675
        Satan
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        You DO remember who it was who put Clarence the Clown on the Supreme Court, don’t you???

        Just in case you forgot…..

        ….yeah, thanks for that, Joe.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

        • #492712
          Cold Mountain Trail
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          Can you explain how Biden ‘put Thomas on the court’?

           

          • #492718
            Satan
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            Handled Clarence with kid gloves, and openly said “I like you” to him during the hearings, while treating Anita Hill like a criminal and not allowing any other witnesses who could have corroborated the fact that Clarence was a sexually harassing pervert.

            Poppy Bush may have appointed him, but Joe could have stopped his confirmation. He deliberately refused to do so…. probably afraid of offending his Republican “friends”… who at the time were still crying about the blatant fascist Robert Bork being denied confirmation a few years earlier.

            "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

            • #492738
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              .

              Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

              The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

              • #492765
                Satan
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                But alas, there’s been some aging Devil memory lapses lately. I’m seriously considering some gingko biloba… or whatever herbal supplement is supposed to help with that… assuming it works on immortals.

                "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

            • #492791
              Babel 17
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              Hill seems to me to be real old school, and she won’t use her fame to make a point. But when Biden kept insisting that he’d talked to Hill, and that she’d accepted his apology, she quietly noted, after reporters dogged her to confirm that, that she did not consider anything he said as being an apology.

              Words to the effect of “I thought it was unfair how things went for you” are not something anyone who speaks clearly would consider an apology.

              Don't Kill the Whale
              Don't feed the trolls

    • #492685
      Dunatus
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      Or how about a poleaxe? The fact that the only ‘arms’ that they focus on are guns shows how bought (corrupt) these judges are. They don’t give a fuck about the Constitution, they want their paycheck from the gun lobby.

      • #493433
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        or *gasp* a Roman Candle…

         

        "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Asimov; "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Fud's First Law of Opposition

        • #493684
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          Except you light a fuse, like on a flint lock musket. Wa-la, you can open carry the year round.

          We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
          If Row vs. Wade is overturned, women could lose the right to not get pregnant in 26 states.
          The Republicans are four year olds. The Democrats are six year olds. There are no grownups.
          Normalizing insanity has been the conservative's sweet spot at very least since the beginning..

    • #492694
      NV Wino
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      And Apple is going to have to come up with some more emojis.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #492695
      David the Gnome
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      @dunatus

      Always wanted to carry a sword around.  Maybe some good chainmail for armor.  Screw that AK and AR shit, give me a broadsword.

      Btw, when you hear about that dude who got arrested in Maine for swinging a sword around town and screaming; “There can be only one”

      Well, that dude definitely wasnt me.

    • #492763
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      funny how they keep letting everyone have that, but will risk shooting a whistleblower on his doorstep to prevent us from having the mildest debt relief–almost as if they’re afraid of one and not the other

    • #492860
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      Ironic:  We can kill schoolchildren with guns

      But not until they get to be school age children

      Or we can kill other people’s children (even unborn) with bombs and guns

      Or we can kill people generally with lack of health care, lack of jobs, lack of money, lack of breathable air, crop failure, food monopolies, etc

      But only when they come of an age to labor for the destroyers of life

      What is this ‘right to life’ the destroyers of life speak of?

       

    • #492865
      David the Gnome
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      @coldmountaintrail

      It was always about control.  I’ve already heard a number of dems going on about how this will bring voters to the polls in November.  It may bring some.

      If they want to bring a lot though, they need an action plan that makes sense.  In the last 22 years, there has been a Democrat majority in Congress – and a Democrat in the white house – twice.  People were promised things if they voted for Democrats.

      A better healthcare system, at least a public option.  A better safety net.  Protection for whistle blowers.  The protection of basic human and civil rights.  Aid for the working class.

      In general, the Democrats of my lifetime have failed to deliver on nearly every promise.  They blame the Republicans in Congress – or they blame the Republicans President of the time.  If all else fails, they blame conservative dems like Lieberman or Manchin.

      Yet then they tell us that all we need to do is elect more Democrats.  Surely, in the balance of things, there will eventually be enough non conservative dems?  Nah.  The party has been moving right for decades.  It would be unrecognizable by the Democrats of decades gone by.

      I digress for a reason – whatever our political or ideological beliefs may be, it can hardly be denied that our government is extremely corrupt.  Now the Supreme Court is equally as corrupt.  Trump was the obvious tumor that exposed the deeper cancer.

      Now we see the results of allowing it to fester.  But, I think we are only beginning to see them.  I think these latest rulings by the supreme court – and more to come, will finally accomplish what even Trump, COVID-19 and Hillary Clinton could not.

      Armed and determined resistance, on both sides of the fence.  I think that, before long, a lot more people will be shooting each other in the streets.

      It was always going to come to that eventually.  The polar opposites (supposedly), the failure and greed of government along with the complicity of the American oligarch and corporation.

      They have been leading us, for a long time now, into a time and place in which peaceful resistance or revolution is not possible.

      Forget China and Russia, the U.S. is going to destroy itself.  The austerity, the “let’s go back in time fifty years” type shit, raising interests rates… It won’t work.

      We are broke and going broker.  Social upheaval is a certainty and will be more massive now thanks to these assholes on the supreme court.

      And those we… Elected as representatives, don’t work for us.  The police don’t work for us.  More and more people are realizing this.

      Todays events simply throw another match into the powder keg.

      If I had the means, I would seriously consider building a bunker and going off grid.

    • #492871
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      @davidthegnome

      I don’t buy the doomster scenario that *anything* is inevitable, though I am from a time when people would have routinely spoken of a “Democratic majority” rather than a “Democrat majority”

      No accident, that

      I’m from a time when abortion was “illegal” at the federal level but “legal” in some states (and some countries), but not many remember that

      Now it’s “illegal” everywhere in the US

      But a right wing member of the SC is telling the population the abortion pill/morning after pill is the way to go (and will apparently remain legal), and states can choose to legalize (and apparently WA & OR had a trigger law or something similar, so still legal here)

      Is that (the abortion pill) made by (TM)Pfizer?

      How different from “abortion” at 6 weeks is taking the pill at 6 days?

      Is Thomas a shill for big Pharma?  If we take our Pharma drug will all the controversy about abortion disappear?

       

      All these ‘inevitabilities’ are created in our own minds, then manifested in our own bodies and actions.

      We can always change them or manifest something else

      Putting my shoulder to the wheel

      Hope someday you’ll join us

      and the world will live as one

      and that includes our present masters, who are delusional abused children

    • #492874
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      Ironic:

      Can’t kill the unborn, but no problem turning everyone in the world into the global migrant labor force for the 1%, with no homes, no rights, disappearing down the memory hole even to their kin, every fucking day

      What is this “right to life” you hypocrites blather on about?

      What kind of Christianity is this you profess?

      Christ died at the hand of people just like you

      Bless

      “Despite such undertakings, The Guardian revealed in February 2021 that 6,750 migrant workers hailing from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had perished in Qatar since December 2010.  Such a total would be further inflated were it to account for other source countries of migrant labour, including Kenya and the Philippines.  The circumstances behind each death vary from suicide to being killed in shoddy worker accommodation.  But the authorities have done their best to relay the causes in murky terms, often aided by a reluctance to conduct autopsies. “Natural deaths” tops the list as a favourite, with respiratory and acute heart failure featuring strongly.”

      https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/deadly-games-worker-casualties-qatars-world-cup

      https://journeys.dartmouth.edu/radical/2020/09/01/on-ice-and-the-detainment-of-citizens/

    • #492876
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      Perhaps ten years ago or so, I would have called it a democratic majority.  I think even then I would have been wrong.  Too many Democrats just arent even remotely democratic.

      I think back to my boyhood, early teens, when my opinions about such things as abortion were forming.  I asked my grandmother about it.  She was in her forties around the time of Roe VS Wade.  Very Catholic like most of her family.  But she was a strong supporter of a woman’s right to choose.

      I asked her what it was like in the days when abortion was illegal.  She spoke of many thousands of women dying from scams, unsafe procedures, even the old back alley abortions.  I decided right then that I agreed with her.

      My fiance who just got home from work said simply, “A lot of women will die because of this.”. She is right, they will, as they did in years I thought long gone by.  I am not okay with that.

      I am certainly not okay with anyone telling a woman what she can and cannot do with something growing inside her own body.  No one has that right.  Our lives and our bodies are our own, who ever we be.

      Yet this Supreme Court and the religious zealots cheering it on seem to believe they have the right to determine when life begins and what is worth.  They tell us, through this, that the life of an unborn child is worth more than that of it’s mother.

      It is… Sick.  It is wrongheaded thinking, it is despicable arrogance and reminds me why I turned away from religion years ago.

      What the hell gives them the right to decide who will live and die?

      • #492880
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        @davidthegnome

        I fear you’ve mistaken my meaning.

        The Democrats’ party used to be known officially as “The Democratic Party” both in the media and general conversations.

        My parents were Democrats, members of the Democratic Party.

        Around the 80s there was directed effort to change that by (no surprise) a faction of the GOP I will call the Pubic Hair Party.

        It took a decade or so for that effort to succeed, despite pushback from the Democratic Party and Democrats generally.

        I think it was partly because a generation of Democrats who cared and really knew the history died off, and the Party itself changed dramatically, as did the old GOP, which morphed into the “far right” Pubic Hair Party.

        These folks are also fond of the Orwellian use of language, as in “far-left” as a descriptor for mafia wife and face-lift lover Pelosi.

         

        On the other hand, I am in general agreement with the rest of your post.

    • #492935
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      @coldmountaintrail

      Seems the shit always starts back around the time of Reagan – but somehow we nonetheless live in a time in which a number of Democrats call themselves “Reagan Democrats”.  I mean, shit, did they not know about FDR?  He wasn’t perfect, but he damn well saved the Nation, especially the poor – and he was wealthy himself.

      As far as the doomsaying goes, I know I could be wrong.  I have a tendency to expect the worst – and while I am rarely surprised, it has been known to happen.  Honestly, this is one of those rare occasions when I actually was.  They’ve been threatening to overturn Roe V Wade for decades, I am not sure I ever believed they’d really do it though.

      Sooner or later, there has to be a reckoning.

    • #493385
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      in the aftermath of every massacre, the response tends to be the same; lots of handwringing, some half-hearted efforts to curtail the egregious availability of certain types of weapons, lots of sonorous pronouncements from politicians seeking to signal virtue etc. I have followed events for decades and seen the same thing play out time and again but not once have I witnessed any attempt to REMOVE the second amendment. Am I missing something ? Only then will it be possible to meaningfully introduce legislation that limits gun control. If this is too much of a pie-in-the-sky aspiration for the people of the US then I see little hope for your country.

      While I’m about it; I find it staggering that the occupants of the Supreme Court are nominated by the president of the US and therefor practically guarantee that their decision making will reflect their partisan bias. My God !! what were your founding fathers thinking ? Whatever happened to the separation of powers.

      • #493413
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        @tonyl

        The process of amending the Constitution is very cumbersome.  I’ll skip over the difficulty of even getting a proposed amendment sent to the states and focus on what happens at that point.

        The  proposed amendment becomes law only if it’s ratified by three-fourths of the states.  Hence, any progressive amendment, such as repealing the Second Amendment or overturning Citizens United, can be blocked by the thirteen most conservative states.  Fortunately, any conservative amendment, such as codifying a nationwide abortion ban, can be blocked by the thirteen most progressive states.

        Look at a map of the U.S. and tell me which 38 states are going to go along with repealing the Second Amendment.  It’s just not conceivable.  That’s why, although there have been occasional calls to pursue that course, those calls are mostly for polemical effect rather than any serious attempt to get it done.

        The course that might actually work is to address the composition of the Supreme Court.  Our current problem doesn’t stem from the Second Amendment itself.  No well-regulated militias have killed anyone.  The problem arises because of right-wing extremists using the actual text as a pretext for imposing their policy views, in cases such as District of Columbia v. Heller (link).  The same is true of campaign finance, with Citizens United and other cases in that area.

        But we aren’t helpless.  Both Heller and Citizens United were 5-4 decisions.  Each of them saw dissents from every single Justice appointed by a Democratic President.  That’s right, those much-despised corrupt corporatist sellout Vichy Dem Presidents.  And — to mention the Democrat who seems to inspire the most vitriol here — if Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election, reproductive rights would still be safe.  There would be no serious concern that marriage equality might be repealed.  There’s a good chance that cases to overrule the right-wing judicial activism on guns and other topics would be working their way through the system and might have been decided by now.

        Alas, it cannot be denied that the Democratic Party has nominated, and will persist in nominating, candidates who aren’t perfect.  An equally safe prediction is that this fact will continue to be a source of outrage on JPR.  Meanwhile, back in the real world, the vast majority of progressives are accepting the importance of electoral politics and are choosing to work within the Democratic Party.

        Will 2032, the ten-year anniversary of the horror in Uvalde, be marked by another such massacre?  If the answer turns out to be No, it will be because of Democrats, not because of the Green Party or the Peoples Party or the Party of Socialism and Liberation or a bunch of people who think elections are completely irrelevant.

        • #493415
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          All of this directly caused by both Democratic and Republican policies. Compared to that, most people don’t really give a shit about guns or abortion and now know that the Supreme Court and our entire judicial system is just another failed institution in a failed state.

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #493399
      David the Gnome
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      @tonyl

      Our founding fathers, as they are called, were mostly thinking about what Congress thinks about today.  ” How do I get more money and power?”

      The history of any Nations leaders would almost certainly have the same said of them.  In the last several decades, the U.S. – well, various interests, individuals and corporations in the U.S. – have managed to distract from the significance of nearly any issue, while at the same time, convincing the average citizens to fight about it.

      A lot of these bigger issues can’t really be resolved without some kind of hard legislation.  Your point about the Supreme Court in particular.

      Of course they are partisan.  Of course they have a bias.  The people who vote to confirm them are as corrupt as they come – and such people do not give something for nothing.

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