Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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    • #485079
      JonLP
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      The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.

      The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.

      “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”

      Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.

      https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #485081
      Dunatus
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      This among other things completely de-legitimizes the Supreme Court. Making shitty ruling is one thing, but repudiating a firmly established and majority supported right will cause a lot of damage to the Constitutional system. It effectively sets up a court system that rules by fiat rather than law. This is all somewhat predictable given that the Democrats have put the citizens of this country in this position. Looking at you Obama. Who knows, maybe this will galvanize the electorate? Sadly, so many people are so propagandized that they will ignore this in favor of warmongering and virtue signalling.

    • #485085
      Utopian Leftist
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      Nixon said he would awaken? The silent minority or majority? Whatever. This will do it.

      I predict that this will galvanize the left like nothing has since the deaths of our heroes in the 1960’s. Even people who ignore politics and don’t vote will take to the streets over this. The protests will be massive if they go through with it.

      And it doesn’t take Nostradamus to predict that Biden will not care enough, and will do virtually nothing, apart from fumbling any opportunities otherwise presented by the bully pulpit.

      “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
      "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

      • #485088
        jerry611
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        The political divide in this country hasn’t been this vast and polarized since the civil war. And most polls show the issue of abortion is no different. The country is split down the middle. Feminism also isn’t what it used to be, and nowhere near as popular. In fact, majority of women don’t even identify as a “feminist” anymore.

        There will be protests for sure. But those protesters were Democrat voters already. And they won’t convince anyone on the other side to change their mind. We are WAY too polarized.

        • #485141
          Utopian Leftist
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          Voters are polarized.

          This issue, however, will galvanize the half of the country that are NON-VOTERS, too.

          Polarization is what the corporate powers want you to believe is inevitable. This issue will unite thinking people. It will also unite knee-jerk reactionaries but they are not as many in number as the media wants you to believe they are.

          “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
          "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

    • #485090
      Hobbit709
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      Women can’t vote, Black people can be enslaved, Senators can be appointed, Presidential term limits are out, etc.

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

      • #485091
        jerry611
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        It’s not even a law. It’s a court decision made by interpretation of 9 people in robes. That’s all abortion was hanging on in this country for a half-century!

        Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg criticized the result of Roe v Wade. Not the actual decision, but she made the point that after that decision the feminist movement lost significant steam. It couldnt even get the ERA through. And feminists also failed to enshrine Roe v Wade into a more permanent legislation. It’s always been on the verge of being overturned.

        Here’s the lesson, you can’t leave something like that up to courts. You can’t.

    • #485106
      eridani
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      Brown is just exactly like Kavanaugh.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #485122
      Snort McDork
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      Except for the far-right Repukes.

      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

      "I like Birdy Num-Nums"

      If you come for Nina Turner, Your ish better be airtight like Tupperware" -Rashida Talib

    • #485125
      Scott Crowder
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      It’s very basic and it makes sense to them:

      "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
      “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
      "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

      • #485155
        Pam2
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      • #485203
        retired liberal
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        This woman is as guilty of redefining words as those she accuses.
        How does the fetus, not baby, have more Rights than the woman it is developing in?
        The fetus has 100% of the definitions of a parasite. There can be no pain felt by the fetus before the brain waves start at around 5 1/2 to 6 months.
        Abortions have never been performed at 9 months. That ridicules on its face. Otherwise induced birth would be the same as an abortion.
        Women need to have a say in their own health care. Not every pregnancy develops normally. In extreme cases it can be nothing more than a mass of hair, teeth and eyeballs. Literally. I personally know someone that that happened to.

        In biblical times there were legal induced abortions. Also because boy babies were valued above girl babies, the death rate of girl babies were much higher in the first 30 days before christening. Basically, abortion after the fact.
        Because of the high death rate of newborn babies in general at the time, babies were not considered people until they were christened, i.e., named at 30 days.
        This woman doesn’t know her own religion. But what else is new?

        We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
        If Row vs. Wade is overturned, women could lose the right to not get pregnant in 26 states.
        The Republicans are four year olds. The Democrats are six year olds. There are no grownups.
        Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
        Miyamoto Musashi

    • #485127
      djean111
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      IMO, of course.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

      • #485129
        A Simple Game
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        They must have a hard time walking around, what with all of those dollar signs floating around their eyes.

        Big hauls in fund raising, probably for years, will be their main take out of this decision.

        • #485130
          djean111
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          I have long since unsubscribed from any political emailing lists, but I would bet anything that the fundraising has already started.  The campaigning has started, of course, even here.  Let’s see – Trump!, Putin!, abortion rights!, Ukraine! and whatever else distracts from all the fucking lies spewed in the last campaign.

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #485143
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Like insulting people is going to get them to support your candidate. That’s their voter outreach.

      We’ll see what happens. We already know the Democrats in Congress won’t pass an abortion rights statute, so it will devolve to the states. I can see abortion having a major impact on some statewide elections in different states, but I don’t think it will save the Democrats this November, not with unabated inflation that Biden will do nothing about.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #485148
        Punxsutawney
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        Blame the left for not voting for their queen. Knew this was coming. Never, ever do they look at their failed leadership and policies as a cause.

        In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

        Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

        “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

      • #485159
        Utopian Leftist
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        never discount the Democraps’ talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This Supreme Court decision will be great for Dem fundraisers, but you’re right: it won’t likely enable them to keep Congress. Not with Nattering Nabob for their President.

        “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
        "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

    • #485146
      Punxsutawney
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      There will be no “right to privacy” despite what the 4th and 5th amendments say. They will go after birth control, expand their version of “Christian” theocracy. No limits on police power or the power of the state. And of course, big business will be unconstrained by any rules, because “Free Market” the latter which which will be bipartisan of course. One can hope they wear out their welcome, hopefully sooner not later.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

    • #485167
      RCW2020
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      Dems could have ever hoped for, indeed!

      • #485173
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Interesting timing. According to Politico, I think it was Politico, no draft of a Supreme Court opinion has been leaked before the official reading in all of history.

        It has never happened before. I wonder why it happened now. The opinion was going to be made public in July. It’s released at least two months early.

        Pepe Escobar says that’s because they know Ukraine’s going to fall soon and need a distraction. What do you think?

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #485168
      jerry611
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      It would have a bigger impact if this were a presidential election year. Mid-terms tend to be more local and less centralized. If you live in a blue state, nothing changes at all from this decision. Abortion will continue to be legal in your state. So ultimately how motivated does that make people in that state? Abortion probably won’t be the priority issue because it’s not threatened in your state. Purple states may not see any change either because a law banning abortion won’t make it through their legislature.

      November is also a bit away. 6 months is a long time in politics. Will this erode? Will there be other issues that steal the headlines? Most people are going to vote based on what the economy does in the coming months. The culture war stuff is a side show. If the economy goes into recession, that will dominate the election.

    • #485169
      RCW2020
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      freedom to vote, ownership of slaves, etc.

      Oh hell yea boog’s, lets have us a “partee”, eh?

      😎

    • #485177
      MizzGrizz
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      It seemed like both are and D s were going to run on this issue forever,with Rs threatening to overturn it but never doing it and Ds saying they’d fight to preserve it but never drafting legislation.

       

      Wonder what gave the Rs the go-ahead to overturn it now?We are missing a piece somewhere.

      • #485182
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I have several good CTs spinning around in my head already.

        A Supreme Court draft opinion has never been leaked before. Interesting, isn’t it? Why now? Who benefits? How do they benefit? Who done it?

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #485187
          MizzGrizz
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          Deserves a separate post

        • #485188
          Satan
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          From one of the most hysterical Hillbots at SV……

          Ohio, we vote today…Let’s get out there and vote…Cuyahoga send Nina Turner a FU message

          And for those of us in Cuyahoga, let’s show Nina Turner who played a role in Trump’s election. She basically helped t that dunce to appoint three Scotus justices two of which were stolen from our side. Let’s show Nina-bowl shit-Turner how we feel about her today when Roe V Wade is likely gone. Send her a big message!
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          Do I think the Turd Way would use something like this to benefit their shitty, Likud terrorism funded, mindless Stepford Wife candidate?? You bet your soul I do!

          "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

          • #485192
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            I can’t watch Jimmy Dore or Breaking Points or anything political on YouTube without seeing a Brown ad. Brown TV ads are all over the place, as are her signs. I think Turner’s going be crushed, anyway, and this won’t make a bit of difference.

            Besides, early voting started two weeks ago.

            Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

            The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

            • #485199
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              ….Bernie Sanders would be in his second term as President right now, and you never would have heard of Shontel Stepford-Wife.  So even if they didn’t leak the court document, they damn sure are trying to capitalize on it.

              "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

              • #485201
                Ohio Barbarian
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                To get Ukraine off of people’s minds since it might fall soon? To distract from Pfizer’s revelation that their vaccine was only 12% effective and caused some pretty serious side-effects? To gin up the base on an issue that is irrelevant to the oligarchy so maybe the Dems win in November in spite of themselves?

                You’re right, whatever it is, they’ll use this.

                Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

                The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #485367
      Pam2
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      We have a Dem majority in power now and Roe might still get over turned. Biden already got a Supreme Court pick. So why would voting Dem in the midterms do anything to reverse the decision?

       

      • #485376
        Satan
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        “Give us 666 more (weak corporatist) democrats in congress and we can have 60 votes to codify Roe v Wade into law”

        Of course they had 60 “Democrats” in the Senate in 2009 and couldn’t even pass the health care bill that Barry Obama campaigned on (and won the primary with)… so take that with a grain of brimstone.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

        • #485394
          JonLP
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          When he had his supermajority but said it wasn’t his top legislative priority even though it was one of his promises.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #485382
      djean111
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      NOPE.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

      • #485391
        JonLP
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        Both sides leak to Politico all the time. At least their reporters publish it instead of saving it for a book.

        Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

        Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

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