Taiwan’s ruling party suffers election defeat

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    • #498572
      Ohio Barbarian
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      (RT) Taiwanese president Tsai Ing-wen has assumed all “responsibility” and stepped down as the head of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) following a series of election defeats to the opposition candidates, who focused their campaign on local issues and maintaining peace without being overly confrontational with Beijing.

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      Beijing welcomed the results as proof that the people of Taiwan overwhelmingly support peace, stability and “a good life,” with China’s Taiwan Affairs Office promising to continue its work to promote peaceful relations and to oppose foreign interference and calls for Taiwan independence.

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      The opposition KMT also voiced its commitment to protecting the island’s freedom and democracy, but without being as confrontational with Beijing as the DPP.

      While Tsai had repeatedly raised the issue of “opposing China and defending Taiwan” during the campaign, the opposition as well as her own party’s candidates focused instead on local problems such as air pollution, traffic issues and the island’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic.

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    • #498576
      jbnw
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      with visits by Nancy Pelosi and other US officials didn’t go over well?

      Imagine that – a country where voters elected politicians who will help people rather choosing war.

      • #498577
        djean111
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        Of course, they are lying through their fake practiced grins about that, and when elected, are just more cogs in the war machinery and are required to be in lockstep with The Party, which has fuck all to do with The People.  Honestly, Kamala Harris pretty much gives answers to questions like like this –

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlin_Upton

        During the pageant, Upton responded to a question posed by host Aimee Teegarden: “Recent polls have shown a fifth of Americans can’t locate the U.S. on a world map. Why do you think this is?” Upton responded:

        I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don’t have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future. For our children.

        I can truly imagine Harris saying this with a giant weird-assed grin, and then, perhaps, giving her iconic bray.

        I do wonder if politicians in Taiwan will be held accountable and face consequences if they do not follow through on what they campaigned on.  Ours do not.

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        • #498582
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          are their $pon$or$

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        • #499439
          The Red Menace
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          So here’s hte thing. Taiwan is not a country. Taiwan – mostly – does not regard itself as a country. For the most part, Taiwan sees itself as China – whether that’s “part of China” or “the actual real China, for reals, really” is a matter of politics. But the majority position is that Taiwan is not separate from China. US efforts to invent its status as a separate country have always met some resistance on hte island, because it goes against the interest of both the hypernationalist leftovers of  the KMT, and hte more moderate and conciliatory factions; the former want to “reclaim” China, the latter want some sort of highly autonomous reintigration over however many years, and both idas are contrary to full independence.

          (There is of course a faction of Taiwanese seeking full independence and recognition, but htey’re a minority vs the other two.)

          Basically, even the Taiwanese recognize the US is mostly interested in balkanizing China, rather than actually helping the interests of Taipei political groups. So they’re happy to take the money, happy to take the weapons, but the idea of being a US airbase like what happened to Okinawa and much of South Korea is not appealing.

      • #498579
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        They are legendarily corrupt. It sounds like most Taiwanese didn’t like what the ruling party was doing on a number of issues, especially Covid measures(I have no idea what those were), but the bellicose policy towards the People’s Republic rubbed a lot of them the wrong way as well.

        It’s not at all surprising, but this story is thus far being hidden by US state media. This story is from RT. There was another blurb on France24, but nothing on AP that I found yesterday.

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    • #498587
      mrdmk
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      The lesser of two evils syndrome.

      I wonder what kind of crap the media in Taiwan is putting out?

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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      • #498590
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        @soryang might know.

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        • #498594
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          …was hoping that one or more of the people I follow on China news would comment on the election. Like Carl Zha who has had a number of good video discussions of Taiwan’s history on his program. (edit- it seems the China watchers are preoccupied with the Urumqi unrest and the resistance to the covid lockdowns in Shanghai.)

          I noticed that the English language coverage was generally playing down the loss vis a vis the tension in Taiwan Straits narrative. However, Tsai Ing-wen did choose to make it an issue, during the campaign, when it should have been avoided in favor of local issues. I had listened to a pretty good analysis of polling data in Taiwan about a year ago, which basically found that no matter which side of the two China issue people found themselves on, favoring independence from the mainland, or some other formula (under two china ambiguity) the predominant attitude was don’t mess with the status quo. People want peace, stability and prosperity. In local elections the focus is on the social and economic components of the latter. Introducing the international conflict agenda to the media content during the campaign was a major DPP party blunder. English observers say oh, don’t overestimate the local elections. Maybe so. But it was a crushing defeat for the DPP.

          International issues will affect the 2024 elections. I think it’s a mistake for outside powers like the US or Japan in particular to attempt to construct a framework which includes Taiwan as an independent actor in economic arrangements or alliances which are aimed at isolating China. Many people in Taiwan have relatives, or a vested interest in businesses and investment on the mainland. Why jeopardize a good thing? On the other hand if there are any further US/allied efforts at destabilizing the PRC in such a way as to provoke either threatening responses, or domestic repression on or from the mainland, on a continuing basis, as was the case in Hong Kong for years, the international issue will again be elevated above its relative importance to the people in general, and maybe the DPP could ride that to another electoral victory in national office elections.

          I can’t help but think of the Yoon administration in South Korea. Throwing in full fledged with US strategy against North Korea and US-Japanese “Indo-Pacific” strategies against China, is bombing in the polls, and is expected to affect the ruling party’s prospects at the polls in 2024. The president there has never been this unpopular so early in his administration, and among other things like a bad domestic economy, which goes unaddressed, and other unpopular domestic policies, a major reason, is the president’s (misdirected) focus on a foreign policy, which basically serves the interests of outside powers, principally Japan, and the US, and jeopardizes positive trade relations and diplomatic connections with the PRC, that South Korea recovered during the previous administration there. But Taiwan is not Korea, and their are differences in their situations, although they are both vestiges of civil wars and the cold war.

          I understand that a third party Taiwan People’s Party may affect future elections in Taiwan.

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          • #498600
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            I didn’t know Taiwan had a People’s Party. What I hadn’t considered was the family and business contacts between the mainland and the island, which is critically important to a lot of people over there, no matter what the US Empire wants.

             

            Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

            The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

            • #498603
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              The name could be a misnomer. I don’t know their platform, but one of their candidates won the mayoral race in one of Taiwan’s cities. It looked like the KMT lost the most voters in that three way race.

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