Taliban says any attempt to extend foreign troops evacuation deadline beyond August 31 is clear violation

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      jbnw
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      From https://on.rt.com/bf4f :

      A Taliban spokesperson has dismissed the UK’s call to extend the August 31 deadline for completing the evacuation underway at Kabul airport, saying any attempt by foreign troops to remain in the country would be a clear violation.

      Speaking to British media, UK Armed Forces Minister James Heappey stated that Britain is seeking to convince America to remain on the ground longer, ensuring the security of the evacuation process, as well as calling on the Taliban to extend the initial August 31 deadline for the withdrawal of foreign forces.

      Taliban spokesperson Muhammad Suhail Shaheen rejected the UK’s request for an extension on Monday, telling the BBC that foreign troops must exit the country by the originally agreed date or otherwise be in clear violation of the deal reached with the militant group.

      The refusal to extend the deadline comes after the Taliban warned that the failure of the UK or the US to leave Afghanistan by the August 31 deadline would provoke a reaction, although the group did not specify what this would entail.

      Note from Biden’s Sunday speech at https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/08/22/remarks-by-president-biden-on-tropical-storm-henri-and-the-evacuation-operation-in-afghanistan/ :

      Q Thank you. We’re nine days away from the August 31st deadline. Will you extend that deadline? Or what — what is your thought process on extending the evacuation operations?

      THE PRESIDENT: There’s discussions going on among us and the military about extending. Our hope is we will not have to extend, but there are going to be discussions, I suspect, on how far along we are in the process.

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      Deadly chaos reigns at Kabul airport, as security forces try to hold off thousands of Afghans desperate to flee the Taliban. German troops were involved in a firefight with unknown attackers that left one Afghan security officer dead and three others injured. At least 20 people have died outside the airport in the week since Taliban militants seized control of the Afghan capital. International leaders are facing mounting pressure to up their evacuation efforts. The tense situation at Kabul airport erupted early Monday morning into more violence. Unknown assailants exchanged shots with Afghan, US and German military at the northern gate of the airport. Numerous people have already lost their lives outside these gates. Thousands are still attempting to leave the country and are swarming outside the compound’s fences. At times, people tried to enter the airport any way they could. On Sunday seven people lost their lives in a panicked crush at the gates. There have since been several reports of missing children, after families were separated amid the chaos. Facing a storm of criticism, US President Joe Biden once more defended US efforts to evacuate people from Kabul. There have been reports of the Taliban carrying out a door-to-door manhunt, instilling dread in many residents. For Afghans, the question now is what kind of government will be formed and how inclusive it will be of its people. 09:25 Who are the Taliban’s leaders? Meanwhile, as the Taliban consolidate control in Afghanistan two decades after they were removed from power, the group’s leadership appears to be taking shape. Some have been part of the Taliban since its creation in the 1990s. Key figures include: Hibatullah Akhundzada has been the Taliban’s supreme leader since 2016. Prior to his rise to the top, he spent decades as a strict hardline judge and cleric. He has final authority on military, political and religious affairs. Abdul Ghani Baradar is a co-founder of the Taliban and is now their political head. He held senior positions in the late 1990’s. Baradar spent 8 years in prison in Pakistan after being captured in 2010. He helped lead negotiations with the US to withdraw troops from Afghanistan last year. The deputy leader of the Taliban is believed to be Sirajuddin Haqqani. He is head of the Haqqani network in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and led many of their military efforts. The Haqqani network has been a fierce opponent of the US presence in Afghanistan. Haqqani is on the FBI’s most wanted list and is believed to be behind several terror attacks. Mohammad Yaqoob is the head of the Taliban’s military operations. He is the son of the deceased Taliban founder Mullah Mohammad Omar. 15:52 Evacuees beginning new lives abroad fear for families in Afghanistan Many at-risk Afghans are still waiting to be evacuated from Kabul airport. They are mainly interpreters or contractors who worked for US, German or other NATO forces. But some are already beginning new lives outside Afghanistan. DW Washington correspondent Oliver Sallet visited one Afghan construction worker who managed to fly out two weeks ago with his family. They were on one of the last commercial flights to leave before the fall of Kabul.

      It seems that evacuation 101 would have dictated the first two things to do would have been 1.  secure the airport and 2.  evacuate the civilians……….No words for this disgraceful performance.

       

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    • #441807
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      I looked at CNN for comparison ( https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-news-taliban-withdrawal-08-23-21/h_5f7044bbaa574184f2eb2e154f2dae46 )

      “As of this morning, within the last 24 hours, 25 US military C-17s, three US military C-130s, and then a combination of 61 charter commercial and other military flights departed Kabul. The total passenger count for those flights was approximately 16,000. Of that number, the US military transported just under 11,000 personnel,” Taylor said during a Pentagon news briefing.

      Taylor also said that five flights with approximately 1,300 passengers landed at Dulles International Airport near Washington, DC, in the past day.

      US military installations at Fort McCoy, Wisconsin, Fort Lee, Virginia, Joint Base McGuire-Dix, Lakehurst, New Jersey, and Fort Bliss, Texas are taking Afghans as they come into the US for further processing.

      Taylor said the focus of the mission remains to ensure a “a steady flow of evacuees out of Kabul to the intermediate staging bases and safe havens at our insulations” that continue to “rapidly build out capacity as needed to ensure reception and providing humanitarian assistance.”

    • #441813
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      They recently withdrew some distance from the airport to let more people get out, which is more than I expected from them.

      Yes, the evacuation is going badly and is quite the clusterfuck, but I think it’s unfair to lay all of the blame on Joe Biden. The military, the defense contractors, and probably the State Department all dragged their feet in planning the withdrawal precisely to create the specter of a debacle that they hoped would persuade Biden to change his mind and stay forever. This would have happened no matter what he did or ordered. IMHO, of course.

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        It was now Biden’s withdrawal and withdrawal plan – and apparent lack of a plan.

        If you have the title of Commander in Chief the military is your responsibility, and your responsibility to know what the military, the defense contractors, and the State Department are doing – it’s all under the Executive Branch.

        • #441926
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          We should never have invaded Afghanistan in the first place, much less occupied it. The only important thing to me is that the troops are being withdrawn. All this hand-wringing over the method of withdrawal is being pushed by the MIC/Wall Street owned corporate media is exceedingly hypocritical and ironic on their part, considering that the major TV news networks spent a total of five minutes of reporting on Afghanistan during all of 2020.

          I think they’re playing on our emotions about suffering Afghan collaborators as a way to justify Forever War, and I for one will have nothing to do with that. Sometimes, doing the right thing hurts innocent people. There has never been any way around that.

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      And sooner rather than later. Team Biden would likely hope to use that dough as a continual incentive for concessions to be granted.

      What will make this situation especially ugly is if people other than Taliban who operate within their chain of command grab Americans, and other foreigners. We talk about Viet Nam 2.0, but it’s easy to forget that one of our demands for getting out was that North Viet Nam should get the Viet Cong to surrender their prisoners to them, so we only negotiated with them for their eventual return.

      And everyone, not just Team Biden, wants to avoid an Iran 2.0.

      https://www.whitehousehistory.org/teacher-resources/jimmy-carter-and-the-iranian-hostage-crisis/p1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

    • #441993
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      I doubt that any one Taliban leader gets to deliver orders that are totally adhered to.

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