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    ‘Tanks do not create peace’: German politicians up in arms over NATO’s buildup..

    ‘Tanks do not create peace’: German politicians up in arms over NATO’s buildup at Russian borders

    U.S. tanks, trucks and other military equipment, which arrived by ship, are unloaded in the harbour of Bremerhaven, Germany
    January 8, 2017. © Fabian Bimmer / Reuters

    German politicians have raised concern about thousands of NATO troops and equipment, along with hundreds of tanks, that have been sent to Poland and countries bordering Russia in what has been touted by Washington as “defense against Russian aggression.”

    “It does not help us if tanks will be going up and down on both sides of the border,” Brandenburg’s leader and SPD party member, Dietmar Woidke, told RBB. “I hope everyone will keep calm.”

    “I believe that despite all the difficulties, we should seek dialogue with Russia,” he added on Thursday, warning that relations with Moscow could worsen even further.

    Germany’s ruling CDU party called Woidke’s standpoint “strange,” with parliamentary faction leader Ingo Senftleben saying the operation “takes place within the framework of the contractual arrangements of NATO and at the explicit request of Poland.”

    NATO’s buildup in Europe also came under fire from Germany’s Die Linke party. “Tanks do not create peace, anywhere,” Christian Görke stressed in a statement, RBB reported.

    read more: https://www.rt.com/news/373088-tanks-nato-germany-russia/

    Germany: Scores protest transport of NATO soldiers through Germany

    Published on Jan 7, 2017
    Scores of people marched through the north German port of Bremerhaven, Saturday, to protest the transport of North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) troops and weapons, headed for NATO’s eastern border, through the town.

    Protesters held signs and banners with demands like “No NATO deployments! End the militaristic march against Russia!” and “Out of NATO.”

    On Friday dozens of tanks, armoured trucks and military equipment accompanied by about 4,000 US soldiers docked in Bremerhaven as part of NATO’s “Operation Atlantic Resolve.” The deployment is supposed to act as a deterrent against supposed Russian aggression towards Poland and the Baltic countries.


    Nato and Russia playing dangerous game with military build-up

    It has been billed as Nato’s biggest military build-up on Russia’s borders since the cold war. Britain is sending fighter jets next year to Romania. The US is dispatching troops, tanks and artillery to Poland. Germany, Canada and other Nato countries also pledged forces at a meeting on Wednesday of defence chiefs in Brussels.
    The move comes after Russia has been busy deploying hardware of its own. Earlier this month, Moscow said it was stationing nuclear-capable missiles in Kaliningrad, Russia’s Baltic exclave. This week, two Russian warships armed with cruise missiles slipped into the Baltic sea.

    Meanwhile, the hulking Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov has been belching its way through the Channel en route to Syria. Spain said Moscow had withdrawn a request to refuel on Spain’s north African coast, amid western suspicions the Russian fleet will be used to flatten civilians in Aleppo.

    Nato’s apparent goal here is to deter future acts of aggression on European territory by Vladimir Putin’s revanchist Russia. After a period in which Nato has seemed slow to react, and lacking in backbone, the alliance is now sending out a robust message. As the US defence secretary, Ash Carter, put it this week, these deployments are all about deterrence.

    read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/27/military-build-up-along-russias-border-no-cause-for-alarm

    Hundreds Of US Tanks Arrive In Europe To Support NATO Anti-Russian Buildup
    by Tyler Durden
    Jan 6, 2017 12:43 PM

    As we reported yesterday, Lithuania confirmed the presence of U.S. special forces inside its territory, stating the deployment’s purpose is to train local forces and act as a deterrent against Russian aggression. Supposedly, the move is in response to a “escalation” by Vladimir Putin, who has been deploying nuke-ready missiles in the Russian province of Kaliningrad located in the heart of central Europe. This move has prompted the neighboring Baltic states to become “highly concerned” about Russian military activity.


    NATO Buildup on Russia’s Borders: Mobilization for War or Just Business?

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  • jwirr (4130 posts)
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    1. We probably could have paid for Obamacare for the rest of the US citizens who

    do not have healthcare with the money it cost to move those tanks into Europe.

    • ASimpleGame (939 posts)
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      4. That's the first thing I thought of too.

    • CNW (2487 posts)
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      5. Good point. The people responsible could care less about us normal people.

      The question is can they be stopped?

      • jwirr (4130 posts)
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        8. Can they be stopped? The only way that I can see them stopping is if the Empire

        collapses from overstretch like others did according to Paul Kennedy’s book about the fall of the great powers. And that is lonely if they give a shit about this country.

        • CNW (2487 posts)
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          14. jwirr, that is a good book for anyone to read – and look here . . .

          The American Empire Is Collapsing, And Americans Will Be The Last to Know

          … 50 years from now historians will probably be writing about the fall of the American empire.

          The crumbling period of the United States empire started on September 11th. Since then, a chain of events so dire occurred that it would seem the empire defeated itself by a series of catastrophic mistakes.

          Attacking Iraq: The Biggest Geopolitical Blunder In History


          The Cost Of Wars in Iraq And Afghanistan Is Bankrupting The US Economy

          … The curiously called Department Of Defense has cost the American taxpayers, since the ill advised attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, around $700 billion a year. Of course, if you add up health care for wounded veterans, and layers of new “security” administration such as the Department of Homeland Security, the numbers keep adding up to top $1 trillion a year.


          Empires Always Have An Expiration Date
          Americans have a delusional sense of historic exceptionalism which they share with most previous empires.


          A Repressive Capitalist Globalization Or The Revolution Of Global Freedom Of Information ?

          …the United States started acting as the only super-power left, and for this reason as the master of the universe.

          … Obama is trapped by a complex nexus of inter-locking institutions such as the Pentagon, the CIA, the State Department etc, and by powerful interest groups profiting from endless wars. The very same institutions and interest groups have been at the core of every post-1945 imperial presidency.

          … But the main question is: How Americans will adapt to this new paradigm where the United States loses its status of uncontested leadership?

          read the article here:
          The Collapse Of The American Empire And The Rebalancing Of The World

          The collapse of Empires is nothing new. They come and go, as any student of history can see. In ancient times, we can read of the decadence of the Roman Empire, which brought about its collapse. In more recent times, the older among us in Great Britain have witnessed the collapse of the British Empire, which included one quarter of the population of the world.

          Although that Empire crumbled away from 1945 on, as colony after colony became independent, in reality its real downfall had already begun in 1917. It was in that year that Great Britain went bankrupt as a result of the Great European War that had been started in 1914, largely by the megalomaniac Kaiser and international armament manufacturers. Thus, in 1917 Great Britain had been forced to borrow money from financiers in order to continue the war, making political compromises to do so (1). 1917 and not 1914 marked the real turning-point in world history in other ways too. It was after all in 1917 that the Russian Revolution, financed from New York, took place and within a few weeks the USA had entered the European War. As a result there began what many call ‘the American Century’, nearly a hundred years of US dominance of the world, as Western Europe entered not only into its first suicide pact of 1914-1918, but also its second, from 1939-1945.

          However, the collapse of the British Empire since 1945 and at more or less the same time that of other Western European Empires, like the French, the Belgian and the Portuguese, is not the most recent collapse of Empire that we have witnessed. In some ways the collapse of the Soviet Empire, from 1989 onwards, was even more dramatic. Embroiled in a pointless, imperialistic war started in Afghanistan by a senile leader, the Soviet Empire had gone bankrupt and so lost its colonies. Like the collapse of the British and other Western European Empires, the Soviet collapse also echoed the collapse of the decadent Roman Empire, which has always provided an imperial model for Imperialism.

          Not only does the American Empire, led at best by incompetence, at worst by greed and lies, suffer bankrupting, unwinnable and terrorizing wars, which are begun out of hubris (the illusion of self-satisfied pride). It also has a national debt of several trillions of dollars, which is supported largely, but temporarily, by China’s purchase of US government debt. Now with its illusory debt-financed boom over, the US is plunging into a crisis, as its housing bubble has burst and it faces soaring oil prices. With a dumbed down public education system, at its worst capable of turning out some of the most ill-educated and ill-behaved children in the world (not unlike the system in the UK), with a health system intent on profit and not health, with a non-existent public transport system, with a throwaway culture of unparalleled wastefulness, with an obesity crisis without precedent in human history, with a dollar so weak that American corporations are asking to be paid in euros, there are those who wonder how much longer the American Empire can continue. And this is no time for Western European countries to gloat. Having passively, or actively bought into the illusory ‘American dream’ for so long, they too will have to help pay the cost of the real American nightmare. Western Europe is dragged down by the measure of its own compromises with the ideology of pride, that is imaginary superiority.

          read more: http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/endofemp.htm

          How the United States Empire Will Collapse

          • jwirr (4130 posts)
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            18. Is this a book. I have a shelf full of books telling us what is going to happen

            and this one looks like one I would like to add.

      • Johnny Rash (1209 posts)
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        10. Ahh … well!

        There’s always one probable scenario:

        Rampage: President Down

        It’s playing on Netflix right now……..EXTREME VIOLENCE!

  • Johnny Rash (1209 posts)
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    2. Geez….where did NATO learn how to play 'Russian Roulette'?

    What ever happened to ‘Peace on Earth’………….is that gone with the wind? 

    • Downwinder (1735 posts)
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      3. Don't think it is about Russia.

      Just an excuse to beef up the military presence in the vassal states.

      • Johnny Rash (1209 posts)
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        6. Well, there's always this …

        NATO and Europe’s refugee and migrant crisis

        Opinion piece by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg

        26 Feb. 2016 – | Last updated: 26 Feb. 2016 16:04

        ” … The events of the last twelve months – the greatest migrant and refugee crisis since the Second World War – represent an immense human tragedy.

        Last year, close to a million people risked their lives to find safety on European shores. Of those, almost 900,000 people risked the so-called Eastern Mediterranean route – that’s more than the entire population of Amsterdam, and five times the number who made the same journey in 2014. …”

        Read more @ LINK:


        • CNW (2487 posts)
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          9. Such a caring man, and the humanitariun work done by NATO . . .

          Germany Slams NATO ‘warmongering’ on Russia – infowars.com

          Nato accused of war crimes in Libya | The Independent

          8. NATO War Crimes in Libya – The Top 25 Most Censored …

          US, NATO war crimes against thousands of Afghan civilians …

          NATO War Crimes: Depleted Uranium found in Libya by…

          many more articles – search for “nato war crimes”

          • Johnny Rash (1209 posts)
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            11. Yeap …!

            Those Boyscout on STEROID…….they never rest and they never sleep: They are making modern-day Colonization of countless cultures, a polite and kind gesture of a Humanitarian nature.

            Thank you MSM for keeping us in the dark … 


            • CNW (2487 posts)
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              15. They no doubt think they're boy scouts – helping and defending the the poor . .

              and . .

              The MSM actually is trying to help, we can go to Disney land and not worry about our security, it’s all being taken care of for us.
              No need to get involved in the unpleasant business of war, better left to the professionals.
              It’s like eating a beef burger (which I love), without ever seeing where it comes from and how it’s “processed”.

              • Johnny Rash (1209 posts)
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                17. Hmm………………..exactly!

                … and if you can’t make it to ‘Disney’ or ‘La La Land’, one can always do the following:

                It’s a safe place afterall …

        • Downwinder (1735 posts)
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          12. who created Europe’s refugee and migrant crisis?

          NATO is surprised that their wars are creating refugees?

          • Johnny Rash (1209 posts)
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            13. A very good question………..indeed!

            Suffice to say that this question is foremost and undeniably at the root of the conflict.

            But the sooner this masquerade is over, another one begins;  it’s sometime hard to keep up with the current direction …

          • CNW (2487 posts)
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            16. Downwinder,I like your phrase "surprised that their wars are creating refugees?"

      • CNW (2487 posts)
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        7. They're certainly beefing up the military – as well as the bank accounts . . .

        I do believe that Russia wasn’t supposed to play hard ball in the Global Takeover.  But , they see that as another business opportunity,

        Chaos.  Disorder.  Refugees. Oil.  Bombs.  LP Gas pipelines. . War Drums. Control.  Money . . . Money.