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  • Xyzse (3313 posts)
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    Thank You Jimmy Dore – Re: Russian Hacking Report

    Around 2:33.

    Which references the embarrassing report put out by the intelligence agencies about Russian Hacking.

    I already mentioned before that the report did not have any actual proof to back up any of their statements.

    What I did not realize is that it even comes with a Disclaimer.  It really is laughable, but for it coming from the Intelligence Agencies Under Obama no less, I can only say it is tragic.

    DISCLAIMER: This report is provided “as is” for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within. DHS does not endorse any commercial product or service referenced in this advisory or otherwise. This document is distributed as TLP:WHITE: Subject to standard copyright rules, TLP:WHITE information may be distributed without restriction. For more information on the Traffic Light Protocol, see https://www.us-cert.gov/tlp.
    Reference Number: JAR-16-20296 December 29, 2016

    Other “Disclaimers” from the report itself: (PDF #page number : RP = Report Page number)

    1. PDF 23 : RP 13 – “Estimative Language consists of two elements: judgments about the likelihood of developments or events occurring and levels of confidence in the sources and analytic reasoning supporting the judgments. Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact(LOL).  Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and precedents.”
    2. PDF 6: RP i – “We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election.  The US intelligence Community is charged with monitoring and assessing the intentions, capabilities, and actions of foreign actors; it does not analyze US political processes or US public opinion.

    Goodness, I mean, I seriously doubted the credibility as is, and I have to admit, I completely missed these in my first 5 read-throughs.

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  • sabrina (5942 posts)
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    1. We are becoming the laughing stock of the world, and for anyone who loves this

    country, those who are destroying it from within are the enemy. They care NOTHING for this country, they care nothing for its people.  And they have the GALL to accuse those of us who have tried so hard to stop them from destroying our country, of ‘hating America’.  There are no words to describe these traitors.

    • Xyzse (3313 posts)
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      3. Agreed.

      It is unfortunate, that they have the gall to accuse us in that sense.  I don’t even know if they recognize it in themselves sometimes.

      See, the thing I have a problem with sometimes is that yes, they may be well meaning(this is debatable because there are just some actions they do that is inexcusable), but don’t realize that what they are doing causes a hell more harm than good.

      As for Jimmy Dore, he’s a little bit too crass for me to utilize in debating a person in front of me.

      I end up having to look up his sources and re-word it to me.  However, he has been an invaluable asset for me to find more things that I would not have considered before.

      Which is why I can only thank him once more.

      Although, at some point, I will have to create a profanity infused tirade for kicks and giggles.


  • Sadie (3069 posts)
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    2. Appreciate Jimmy Dore

    Why do politico’s allow us to go to war based on this shit?  Insane!  It is egregious and I hope we can finally shine a big spotlight on how we look to the world.  We have blood on our hands.

      Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
    • Xyzse (3313 posts)
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      5. Exactly! It boggles the mind.

      Then people get swept up on these things, and lose objectivity.

      There are many that are just grasping on the idea of these things just because of the fear of Trump, or something else, they have become unable to hear anything beyond their pre-conceived notions.

      Frustrates me to no end, but that is actually scary.  They are so scared of the spectre of Trump that they themselves may cause the authoritarian regime and the atrocities they claim to fight against.

  • mindwalker (735 posts)
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    4. Which all translates to…

    We’re talking out of our collective ass for political purposes.

    Readin'?  That's un-American!  Get your ass in front of a TV!
    • Xyzse (3313 posts)
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      7. Yes, quite so.

      I mean, most of us here said so to begin with when we first read the report.

      I must admit, I didn’t catch on the disclaimers till after.  It was apparently there, point blank stating that this whole report were unsubstantiated assertions not worth the smallest bits of data it has been imprinted on.

      • mindwalker (735 posts)
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        14. Each day I look at the NY Times and see a slew of editorials

        … harping on the Russian Hacking ™ of the election.  One today has the teaser text, “The onus is on the president-elect to prove he’s not a Putin puppet.”  At this point, the onus is on the people claiming Trump is a puppet of Russia to provide any ACTUAL evidence to back up their claim!  Jesus, they might as well be claiming Trump is controlled by aliens!

        Readin'?  That's un-American!  Get your ass in front of a TV!
        • Xyzse (3313 posts)
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          15. It's insanity.

          It is why I can not trust the media as it currently stands.

          Yes, I will pay attention and listen to them, but they do not get their opinions unchallenged.  They do not have enough credibility to be taken at face value.

  • Fawke Em (4180 posts)
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    6. Kirk Eichenfuck


    • Sadie (3069 posts)
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      8. That was good for a giggle.


        Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
    • mmonk (2310 posts)
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      13. :)

  • Lynetta (681 posts)
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    9. So where the hell did McClain get the Dossier?

    • Xyzse (3313 posts)
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      10. That seems to be another story.

      The one we are currently talking about is the report provided by the intelligence agency in regards to Russian hacking.

      The dossier McCain has is a report of Trump connections with the Kremlin.  A whole different matter altogether.

      I am quite curious about that one as well, and await to see the developments.

    • hopemountain (2342 posts)
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      11. 4 chan said they gave it to rick wilson?

      not sure about the 4chan story but even with the disclosure of the name of the “ex” british agent intelligence ceo, someone got sold a bill of “goods” and i doubt anyone will come forward with the truth. too embarrassing. seriously, the british investigator claims he got the info from his “russian” connections. it is ridiculous.

      "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth .... "question everything – including, organizations touting labels proclaiming stewardship of living things and high ideals when in truth, they fanatically practice the stewardship of exploitation, greed, and destruction."
    • Lynetta (681 posts)
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      12. NorthernSouthern says Jeb Bush's Pac may have given to McClain 4Chan made a 2nd