That's right, Joe. Powerful progressive movement. You got my vote!

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    • #300124
      HassleCat
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      I will vote for you, Joe, because I want you to save us from Donald Trump. And I’ll even vote for you if you keep doing what you and your party have been doing. You tell me you are entitled to my vote, that I’m obligated to vote for you. You blame me for Hillary Clinton’s loss in 2016. You call yourself a progressive and repudiate Medicare for All. As the campaign goes along, you will remind me that I’m obligated to vote for you because you’re a progressive, at the same time you cave on progressive issues one after the other. By November, you will still be calling yourself a progressive and telling me I have to vote for you because I  have no other choice. And I will vote for you, Joe. I really will. I promise you my vote. You can trust me. I will never go back on my word. I will never disappoint you. We progressives have to stick together. You and me, Joe. No matter how much you insult me and run away from my issues, I promise I will vote for you. No matter how much your toadies and acolytes remind me that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and then demand I vote Democratic. Why would that hurt my feelings? My promise to you is as good as your promise to me. So it’s a deal, right? You can count on me, buddy. Pal. My friend.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/a-good-thing-for-our-nation-biden-credits-sanders-with-launching-powerful-progressive-movement/ar-BB12kR5A?ocid=msedgdhp

    • #300130
      NV Wino
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      .

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #300134
      salemcourt
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      @hasslecat Quite funny.  However, some people may take it seriously.  There sure are some in the Democratic party who suffers from the battered wives syndrome!

    • #300137
      Red Cloud
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      Is that how you silence your gropees?

      I said, “Hey Joe, Where you going with that gun in your hand?”

    • #300144
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      PERIOD

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #300157
      ProgRockinProg
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      It is ludicrous to not vote Democratic this November.  If you can’t see how devastating it would be if Donald fucking Trump was allowed another 4 long years after November, well…its because you can’t.  He already now has carte blanche to bribe foreign leaders to smear Democrats or any official for that matter.   In four years he has already corrupted or de-funded many institutions.  He only threatens the free press and net neutrality now.  He only threatens opposition leaders.  If he wins, and takes with him the House and Senate it is the end of democracy in the USA, whatever was left. Ruth Bader will be replaced by an even more Trump cultist than Kavanaugh.  Voting suppression, machine tampering, will be increased even more to the point where there is no chance anymore for any future Democratic victory.  Sites like JPR will be shut down.

      CNN and other news networks will fall in line fearing real consequences if they don’t try and be “fair and balanced” Fox News style.  If you thought progressive messaging is difficult to educate people to now, it will be literally impossible if Trump wins again.

      I still say that Republicans, especially Trump and his cult followers, are the biggest snowflakes of all. With their constant whining and blaming.  But folks need to buck up, and continue the slow hard work of trying to change things from the inside. I know we wanted to change things at the top, but the inside is better than the outside. Its still the party of AOC and the squad. Katie Porter, Stacey Abrams, and other rising stars. Still the party Sanders works and that if Biden won, he’d at least have some influence.

      I know I know its not what we want. And that we were all so stoked when Bernie leapt ahead at the start of the primaries. We could almost taste it. And how bitterly disappointed it is to go through this a second time. How the country twice missed a once in a lifetime opportunity.  I always accepted Sanders early lead with a whole shaker of salt.  I knew that the DNC would bend over backwards to make sure he didn’t win, and they did.  Surely I’m not the only one that suspected this, and that to win against Biden, and the other center/right candidates, plus the MSM news, plus Biden Bro trolls, Hillary and Obama’s influential comments, would be almost impossible.

      We have to take the silver lining.  Sanders has confirmed his platform, including M4A, are supported by the public and will be kept in the dialogue.  His runner up status, twice, has to keep the corporate leaders of the D party on their toes, understanding that the left isn’t going anywhere.

      For now, once again, we have to stand behind AOC and others that stay in the party that as AOC said about Biden, “In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party’. 

      What I’d love is a Proportional Representation system implemented in the US.  With ranked voting. So a person could list say, a Green candidate first, and have the Democrat as the second. And national numbers decided what percent of Congress/Senate each party had in seats. It would not only encourage many more to vote Green, as their votes wouldn’t be pointless, but it would ensure that if your first Green vote didn’t count, it would at least be flipped to the lesser evil candidate.

       

      • #300196
        Utopian Leftist
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        refuse to play the “lesser of two evils” game any more.

        I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 and am proud to say that I will never be fooled by any party again.

        A vote for Biden is a vote for a return to the idea that the Democraps can cram any asshole down our throats that they want to. Some of us just won’t take it any more.

        "All fascism is a result of a failure of the left to provide a viable alternative." ~ Trotsky

        • #300251
          tmbarton1961
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          I held my nose and vomited as I voted for HRC in 2016.  Not doing that again.

          I remember in 2004 when George W. Bush was dubbed the worse President ever by the Democratic Establishment.  They gave us John Kerry as the Dem nominee and he lost to Dubya.  See the same fate for Biden.

          --tmbarton1961

      • #300222
        HassleCat
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        I do hate the way his campaign has taken my vote for granted, just as the Clinton campaign did in 2016. But I hate Trump, too. I hate him more every day. Maybe I hate him enough to vote for Biden. I haven’t ruled it out yet. I’ll probably decide at the last minute. Trump is dangerous, and it looks like he is using the virus situation to seize dictatorial powers. I might vote Biden just to interrupt Trump’s march toward absolute authority.

      • #300299
        Ohio Barbarian
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        She’s not. She’s just another corrupt Democrat. I’m done with that party, and it was the party of my father and grandfather. The party of FDR and LBJ. It hasn’t been that for at least 40 years. Obama did very little for the working class and was openly contemptuous of us. And he was a corporate whore and a warmonger. Whoever they pick now will be even worse. Biden certainly is.

        Trump is the symptom, not the cause–capitalism is the ultimate cause, and Trump is the lesser evil when compared to Biden or Hillary or Kamala or whoever they nominate this summer.

        Two tremendously bigly reasons: First, Trump is term-limited. The Democrat, whose kleptocratic policies will be just at bad for the working class as Trump’s, won’t be, therefore Trump can do only half as much damage as the Democrat. Second, Trump has kept us out of any new wars. A neoliberal Democrat is guaranteed to get us into another one, just like they always do. I will not vote for more war.

        So if you want me to choose between the D and the R as the lesser of two evils, I will choose the R. I’ll choose Trump. How do you like that, @progrockinprog ?

        Or,  you can let me vote Green or not vote and not scold me about it. Your choice.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #300375
          ProgRockinProg
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          You are right, i shouldn’t have included Abrams. But the others I mentioned, including AOC, are still there, and need our support if they even want to chip away at the machine.  At least they’d be inside the machine

          I know its painful, we progressives ALWAYS  are the ones that are bullied into dropping out, or shutting up, accepting less etc.. And all because we want to bring to all the country, including the frightened establishment voters, the benefits they need and deserve and frankly are owed.

          Do what you want. Its a free country. Relatively.  I’m just saying it may not be a free country at all with Trump and his cronies in office for another 4 years. Including any hope of ever electing any progressive again. At the very least it will take even longer to reverse the damage, and even more wringing of hands by Democrats to vote in an even “safer” candidate for 2024. Who will have to work like hell just to get us back to a state that exists NOW, let alone advancing any more liberal policies.  Doing it also with the Trump replacement for Bader I assume. Not to mention hundreds if not thousands of new tea bagger judges set up to MAGA. as well as judge any future D legislation.

          I understand the protest vote. I’ve done it before.  And I can only respect those  who do that. In fact, I hate that term “protest vote” as if the Green party doesn’t have good policies to vote for in their own right.  Thus my wishes for a PR voting system. But whatever its called, sure its a feather in ones cap of personal integrity, but lets face it, a throw away vote in the big picture. And one vote less that Trump has to worry about.

          I disagree that “the lesser of two evils” is Trump.  As far as governing for the 1% first….yes they are at least equals.  But look at the difference in the back up players. At least we will have AOC, and hopefully Sanders, Warren, other progs to criticize and help draft new legislation that at least bends left. (or not too far right).

          The main problem is the same one as last time with Hillary, the slow cook. I understand that argument. The Bad Cop Good Cop revolving door.  One party makes no bones about being corrupt, cheating, suppressing votes, lying on a daily basis, and feeding the trough of wealthy donors. The other says all the right things, to progressives, and hands out little social victories in the area of LGBTQ rights, womens rights, pot legalization, but on the really big issues that actually affect real things like Wall Street, medical insurance, campaign finance, they will make excuses.

          I guess I believe Trump is different. He’s not a liberal, or conservative, hell, he’s not really a Republican either. He’s a disruptor. And I don’t even mind that he won once, as Sarandon was right, it helped wake up a lot of people. If this were a Dole, or Rubio, or Cruz, I might have a different take on a second term.  But that dusruptor job is now done. Letting Trump build off his first term is 10x more dangerous because Mitch and co. can hide behind him.  They can enact legislation that even now, we think would be impossible to pass, and wouldn’t dare if it were anyone else. But they know they can use him as the front man, using simple flattery as is most authoritarians Achillies heel, and enact draconian fascist laws, and make him think he thought of it!

    • #300265
      sonofspy777
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      That’s the question we should be asking ourselves!

      “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
      ~Samuel Clemens

    • #300296
      Mindwalker
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      The Democrats ™ are going to blame us from everything from The Donald (again) to the price of cheese.

    • #300309
      djean111
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      Or his replacement.  And I do not give a flying fuck who his VP is.  Eight more years of Democratic raping and pillaging, overseen by Pelosi and Schumer and their ilk?  No fucking way.

      Besides, ladies and gentlemen, if Biden is so very fucking electable – then progressives won’t be badgered or droned at to vote for him, amiright?  That’s the thing that makes it obvious to me what rigged and engineered bullshit this all is – Biden is only electable if Bernie’s supporters vote for him.  What a sleazy crock of shit that is.  I will not do it.

    • #300437
      ProgRockinProg
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      He’s dropped out, but not endorsed him yet afaik.  I hope Biden’s camp understands he needs the twice scorned progressives more than they need him. In fact he should ask for M4A.  A clear path to it in the platform. I’m holding my cards until I see what is in it for us, everyone, that Sanders can squeeze out of him. But don’t squeeze too hard or he may fall over 😉

    • #300444
      The Red Menace
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       My promise to you is as good as your promise to me. So it’s a deal, right? You can count on me, buddy. Pal. My friend.

      10/10, perfection, chef kiss and applause.

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