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    The all-purpose Big Lie: the Ruskies did it.

    I wrote the following in reply to Ichingcarpenter’s thread, “Bernie: ‘May Turn Out Trump Did NOT Collude W/ Russia,’”

    reply #24 here…

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/bernie-may-turn-out-trump-did-not-collude-w-russia

    …and I was asked to make it an OP.  So here it is (unaltered):

     

    The all-purpose Big Lie: the Ruskies did it.

    There are some who think that our secret-budget, disinformation-assassination, war-inventing spy Establishment isn’t that good any more, that its glory days of blowing the president’s head off and laying the trail to the Ruskies and covering it up for a thousand years,** are over.   I know that Julian Assange has referred to them with quite a lot of disdain, for instance, for passing all their hacking tools around like Halloween candy.  And there is the curious fact that, although they seemed to take charge again, with Rumsfeld’s ouster in ’06 and installation of Barack Obama in ’08, they FAILED to get their next selectee, Hillary, into the White House in ’16.  I suppose it’s possible that they actually wanted Trump – hard to know, these days, what is really going on – but all available evidence points to the failure of their election rigging teams and/or the defection of some of Hillary’s overlord sponsors at the last minute.

    Whatever happened with that, their “the Ruskies did it” comeback has to be one of the greatest recoveries, and one of the biggest and most successful lies, of all time.  The CIA should be proud. And it is also the multi-purpose lie of all time:

    – It sets up the war with Russia that they’ve lusted after for more than 50 years (and use of the U.S. nuclear arsenal to bully the world);

    – It provides cover for all the hacking of U.S. elections they’ve already done;

    – It provides cover for their Democratic Party tools regarding the election fraud in the ’16 Primary;

    –  It provides cover for the Democratic Party’s transformation into the party of the uber-rich, the uber-corporate and the uber-war profiteers;

    – It provides entertainment for the groundlings while the tragedy of the death of U.S. democracy unfolds behind the curtain;

    – It provides cover for the private, corporate ‘TRADE SECRET’ vote counting systems that they rushed into place all over the country during the 2002 to 2004 period, to control all future s/elections (- they can’t have the peasantry catching on to that coup d’etat) – and also cover for Homeland Security to seize election infrastructure from the locals when necessary (already in progress);

    – It provides them with tools to control Trump and point him toward their goals (Neo-Con “Project for a New American Century” domination of the world via war and “regime change”);

    – It pulls a veil over the Deep State’s internal war while they try to patch up Nazi-lover Allen Dulles’ CIA cabal of billionaires, banksters and war profiteers, for the unified rule of the 1%;

    – It provides cover for that sloppy team that shot Seth Rich dead, execution style, on a DC street, without taking his wallet and watch;

    – and more, much more.

    It is the multi-purpose Big Lie of the 21st Century.

    – – – – –

    **(They sent their Navy intelligence asset, Lee Harvey Oswald, to Russia as a defector, and of course let him walk back into the USA without so much as an FBI interview, and had him stand on street corners handing out “Fair Play for Cuba” pamphlets, all so they could describe him as a commie, and then lured him to Dallas with the ruse that he would be protecting the President – whom he liked – not blowing his head off.  Their purpose was to throw blame on the Ruskies to foment support for nuking Russia, which JFK had refused to do.  This misdirection plot against Russia was smudged over, via the Warren Commission, because it led right back to the CIA.  Recommended:  “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters,” “The Devil’s Chessboard,” by David Talbot, and “Brothers,” by David Talbot.  It’s not just that the CIA assassinated JFK, it’s WHO they were trying to put the blame on, that is the key to what is going on today.  Why.  It.  Matters.)

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    • LaaDeeDaaVA (2744 posts)
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      1. Excellent review and summary. Thank you!

      Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.   A. J. Liebling

         

    • Marym625 (26294 posts)
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      2. On The Daily Radical!

      Thank you so much! Excellent piece!

      "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Hawkowl (1356 posts)
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      3. Very good!

      This is a must read for everyone.

      "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Burke
    • Populist Prole (749 posts)
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      4. You said it man!

      Many of us have thought this, to be sure, but thanks for summing it up into such a concise articulate form. This is quotable reference material.

      I gotta say though, I’m dismayed by how much space this Russia issue is taking on this site, especially vis-a-vis the Comey thing. Don’t feed the monster!!!

      • Salemcourt (570 posts)
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        7. Probably because

        Russia is on full time on MSM, and the stories from MSM are being quoted often here.

      • Marym625 (26294 posts)
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        15. I tend to agree

        There is SO MUCH going on that is so much more important. Like the FCC trying to put the final nail in the coffin of net neutrality

        https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/did-the-fcc-invent-a-fake-ddos-attack/

        The horrific AHAC, the “religious freedom” laws passing all over the country, a climate change denier being appointed to the FDA (I think it is the FDA, it’s early :) ) the appointment of the vote rigging mastermind :sarcasm: behind Crosscheck, Kris kobach to lead the “voter integrity commission.” Or as Greg Palast put it, “Trump picks Al Capone of Vote Rigging
        To investigate Federal Voter Fraud”

        http://www.gregpalast.com/trump-picks-al-capone-vote-rigging-investigate-federal-voter-fraud/#more-13241

        And the most important thing of all, getting money out of politics. Because if we don’t do that, we’ll never get anything done

        "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • 3FingerBrown (469 posts)
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      5. Great post!

    • 99thMonkey (3766 posts)
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      6. Thanks for including Seth Rich in this commentary. He was a BIG reason

      for the cover-up, as the “Ruskies hacked US elections” narrative diverted attention from the fact that the information was leaked not hacked, thus riveting  everyones attention into an entirely different direction.

    • senz (5386 posts)
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      8. "It is the multi-purpose Big Lie of the 21st Century" — it truly is

      and the more they repeat it the further it sinks in until everyone takes it for granted.

      So it needs to be laughed at, sneered at, parodied, and logically refuted.

      It needs constant push back.

    • Scrivener (411 posts)
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      9. Me and my trust levels

      Peace Patriot, I am sure you know a lot about Russia that I don’t know.

      Here’s kind of how I look at it: when I look into the world and see the governments of nations; multinational corporations; and even smaller governments and corporations, my default position is to refrain from complete trust in their goodness. I think that many governments and corporations (among other human creations) are often willing to act in a way that I strongly disapprove of–and it is all too likely that some of them are already doing it. Often, they want something that is going to hurt everybody else–like Keystone XL, for example, and that pipeline that will hurt the Sioux people.

      I won’t condemn a government or a corporation for bad behavior if I haven’t seen any evidence–but generally I don’t believe they are virtuous until proven otherwise.

      I think it is entirely possible that Russian interests–maybe the government, maybe the billionaires–thought their interests would be furthered if the GOP had more power, and that they were willing to move money into the GOP campaigns, even if it meant being very sneaky and breaking some serious  laws. I wouldn’t declare anybody guilty of money laundering without seeing some evidence, but I wouldn’t discount the possibility, either. If there are billionaires or corporations or foreign governments willing to part with a gazillion bucks, there are politicians willing to take a chance of getting away with it.

    • djean111 (5224 posts)
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      11. Excellent OP. Thank you. Very clear and direct. And IMO absolutely correct.

      Some days, MOST days, I feel like I am watching that funny old movie, The Russians Are Coming!  The Russians Are Coming!!!!! – except the people running around screeching about that are not very fucking funny – IMO, they, not the Russians, are the danger.  (Shout-out to  Walter White!)

      The irony is, of course, while I don’t believe the Russians have invaded, I can’t get all hairzonfire!!!!!! about stuff that, again IMO, the United States does, sometimes quite bloodily, all over the world, for money and power.  Fucking hypocrites.

      • *Obligatory disclaimer - when I say "Democratic Party" I mean the DNC - the Clintons and the un-elected people and the consultants and the lobbyists and the corporations who actually run things.  The people who work and vote and are registered as "D" are no more the actual party than Trekkies are Star Trek.   Extra credit - the Democratic Party gets to actually fuck up your life. When you vote for it.
      You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.
      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        37. And the fact remains that due to the tremendous surveillance

        That our intel agencies engage in, if the Russians were indeed “hacking the election” then the intel agencies would have been on to them and would have released such information to our press immediately and not at a point in time when the DNC and Hillary Clinton needed a cover story for the Seth Rich murder. And then later on the DNC and Hillary  needed a cover story for how they didn’t lose the election – the Russians did it!

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Fasttense (1606 posts)
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      12. It was organized crime that murdered JFK

      The FBI merely looked the other way while organized crime murdered JFK, MLK and Bobby.

      The FBI just let it happen. J.  Edgar Hoover was being blackmailed and manipulated by organized crime so he did nothing to stop them and even at times colluded with them. That’s why crime families became so powerful,  while the FBI did nothing to stop them. The organization has been corrupted since its inception.

      • Peace Patriot (2611 posts)
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        14. Fasttense, the FBI wasn't running Oswald. The CIA was.

        Please read:

        “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters,” by James Douglass;

        “The Devil’s Chessboard,” by David Talbot.

        “Brothers,” by David Talbot.

        Douglass makes a slam-dunk case against the CIA up to Richard Helms (operations).  Talbot takes on Allen Dulles – the extremely powerful and cunning CIA Director whom JFK had fired – and by the time he’s done with him, there is no question left that he ordered this heinous murder and Helms carried it out.

    • Enthusiast (10167 posts)
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      13. Recommended to max!

      Great post! Fascinating stuff!   :bounce:

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
    • Herman4747 (1347 posts)
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      16. " It sets up the war with Russia"???? NOW WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND…

      would want a SUICIDAL war with Russia?  If this is the kind of logic that’s employed in this post, then there’s no reason for me to read further.

      trekagainsttrump
      • Peace Patriot (2611 posts)
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        18. Well, Herman, I've been watching this "Devil's Chessboard" game for a long..

        …time now.  The CIA, the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and JFK’s entire cabinet (except for Bobby) thought they could, um, ‘win’ a nuclear war with Russia in 1962, and they blew the President’s head off because he didn’t agree, wouldn’t do it and thought nuclear war was insane.

        There’s your precedent for otherwise normal people becoming insane with power.

        A lot has happened since, but we still maintain a nuclear arsenal – and are currently buffing it up – that could destroy the planet twenty times over.  Why?  Why, Herman?  Why are we not seeking a ban on nuclear weapons worldwide?  Why do we maintain this arsenal?  Because humans are vulnerable to the lure of godlike power.  And those who have that power in this country are using it to bully the world and have been doing so since the U.S. dropped the Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Those displays of our godlike power were as much for Soviet Russia’s benefit as they were to end the war in the Pacific, and possibly the only reason they were dropped on cities full of people rather than on an uninhabited island, was to impress the Russians.

        BULLY POWER is what the “Devil’s Chessboard” game is all about.  And it takes only one deranged general or president or prime minister to unleash armageddon, and it takes only one little mistake on radar to unleash armageddon accidentally.  Our overlords are playing with this godlike power all the time.

        Yes, it is utter lunacy that they would contemplate the deliberate nuking of another country, especially a country with the nuclear weaponry to retaliate, but they do it, Herman – they are doing it right now.  They did it in 1962, in all seriousness, and literally blew the President’s head off because he was the only sane person (aside from his brother) in the U.S. government at the time.  SOME sobriety has manifested since then, but the threat of nuclear armageddon is still ON THE TABLE.  More likely, when they go after Russia – which has been interfering with “The Project for a New American Century” (the Neo-Con Bible for world domination) – it will be on the ground, possibly with nuclear strikes at nuclear facilities.  Putin knows this very well.  He is former KGB.  And he is preparing Russia for just such an attack.  So there is nothing “neat and tidy” about this ON THE TABLE war scenario.  Europe will be hit.  We will take hits.  And the planet will be dead in three months, due to the dust clouds (according to Carl Sagan, in his book, “The Cold and the Dark” – even a limited nuclear exchange will destroy agriculture and green growth everywhere on the planet, in short order).

        During the ‘bomb, bomb, bomb Iran’ phase of the Bush junta, an article appeared in the Atlantic Monthly, written by former generals, explaining how tricky it would be to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities with nukes.  I read that with relief because it clearly meant that the military didn’t want to do it.  However, their only objection was that it wasn’t quite feasible to hit the right targets.  ‘Strategic’ nuclear bombing.  Lol.

        It IS being contemplated, and this is why:   Because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  And it CAN happen, because of the insanity of absolute power, or by blooper on the radar.

        It is, in my view, a kind of insanity to think otherwise.  An insanity of denial.  When, in human history, were new weapons created that were not used to bludgeon other people into submission?

        • 99thMonkey (3766 posts)
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          20. Great response.

          And I take no joy in saying that.  But it is sadly true — as dramatically portrayed in Dr. Strangelove back in the day — that there are many in high places who hold the insane belief that nuclear war “wouldn’t be that bad” ,, and of course most of them also own one or more swank condo fallout shelters already built, and just “going to waste” sitting empty.   So in a very real sense, it’s not as insane for them to think they could survive .. except that it really is.. but you can’t tell them that if you’re president .. without getting your head blown off.

        • Herman4747 (1347 posts)
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          22. I read no further than "they blew the president's head off"

          I am not interested in strange conspiracy theories, nor the logic of those who present them.

          trekagainsttrump
          • Peace Patriot (2611 posts)
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            26. Sorry to hear that, Herman!

            Peace be with you!

        • Ohio Barbarian (5164 posts)
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          48. I normally don't say this to avoid pissing matches, but I just have to. Sorry,

          dude or dudette, but the evidence says JFK was probably killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, who acted alone. Ballistic tests in 2013 or 2014 proved it beyond a reasonable doubt, at least to me. The magic bullet theory was sheer bullshit when it came out of the Warren Commission, but guess what? It’s probably true!

          There was a NOVA episode on this. I found it convincing. If you don’t, you don’t.

          The most glaring missing evidence is due to the fact that Jackie Kennedy didn’t want a professional autopsy done, and it wasn’t done. Jackie Kennedy prevented the Dallas coroner from conducting one, not the CIA. Since the Navy doctors who did it were not competent in that field, there is a lot we’ll never know.

          And nobody wants to get into a nuclear war. That’s just nuts. Sorry, but it is. Today’s military would never allow it. I cannot prove it to you, but I’m pretty certain. Same thing goes for the Russian military.

           

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
      • ThinkingANew (1363 posts)
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        25. You aren't keeping up. The MIC have publically stated

        that they have the “capability” to run a “limited nuclear war” and they are itching to try it. Many “revolving door” war “think tanks” are pushing hard for it.

        I agree with you that it would be suicidal. But we seem to have a lot of crazy and overconfident military thinkers these days. Just look at the mess the in the Middle East…

        "(modern) newspapers publish nothing more than “weaponized text"" “When you read a newspaper article, you are reading weaponized text that is designed to affect a person just like you." Julian Assange  
        • Herman4747 (1347 posts)
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          27. Who specifically in this "MIC" is pushing for "limited nuclear war"???

          Can you answer that?  Is it Trump?  I don’t even think he would be doing that.  But again, who specifically do you mean?

          trekagainsttrump
          • The Crone (3157 posts)
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            30. As an avid C Span watcher, the idea that

            the USA can and should pursue a “limited nuclear war’ against a deserving enemy (think Syria) is at least seven or eight years old.

            It was during the first 400 days of Obama being in office that I started seeing these military analysts on C Span talking about the necessity of our dropping back from the idea that we can’t be a militant force unless we fight as a conventional military force. After all, the “new generation” of nukes allows small targeted responses. (I am not blaming Obama for this – he just happened to be the one in office when these analysts started being brave enough to say it.)

            None of the analysts or generals that said these things seemed to have any concerns about precipitating a nuclear winter, or about the fact that any pollutant put into place in one area of the world does soon circulate into an even distribution across the globe, usually within five days. The force ensuring that is the jet stream. Already the huge increase in infantile blastomas and major but formerly rare birth defects is occurring here in Northern Calif, as it has been twenty years since NATO and the US introduced the uranium-hardened tanks and weaponry into the battlefields of Serbia, Iraq and a few other places. What goes up must come down, and with it will come genetic mutations and cancer and death.

             

            "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
            • Herman4747 (1347 posts)
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              31. Name some people who said "The U.S. can and should pursue a limited…

              nuclear war” saying this after  2008.  Can you do that, please?

              trekagainsttrump
              • The Crone (3157 posts)
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                33. Here is one published paper on the topic:

                https://www.stratfor.com/the-hub/case-tactical-nuclear-weapons
                Spend some time boning up on this fact. Don’t expect me to do your homework for you; I am busy today.

                "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
                • Herman4747 (1347 posts)
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                  35. You have NOT found someone who declared that…

                  the U.S. can and should pursue a limited nuclear war against a deserving enemy.”  Does Mr. Klein have a particular “enemy” in mind?  No.  Indeed, from the article you provided the link to, we read:

                  “Because tactical nuclear weapons are at times a more credible response under the principles defined by customary international law, these weapons enhance deterrence and subsequently improve international peace and security.”  Mr. Klein emphasizes deterrence, not inaugurating any “limited nuclear war.”  Although not as great in importance, it is unknown whether Mr. Klein even works for the federal government.

                  And Mr. Cartwright calls primarily for an “upgrade” of nukes already available, acknowledging that if such an upgrade occurred, more precise targeting can ensue. Yes, he declares that such an upgrade would result in the use of these weapons would then be more “thinkable,” but nowhere does he contend that “the USA can and should pursue a limited nuclear war.”

                  trekagainsttrump
                  • The Crone (3157 posts)
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                    42. Like I said I don't have time to do your homework.

                    All I did in offering up that piece was to show some of the writings on the subject. The piece I found was a quick find, and it alt least indicates that I am not imagining our current day “limited range” nuke capabilities. It is not my fault if you don’t watch C Span.

                    I used to note things I saw and heard on C Span so I could then  use them as citations, but once too many citations are kept, it became  impossible to find them. (Two exceptions being: The C Span televised and archived Nine Eleven Hearings, and Sen Burton’s hearing against the forces of Big Pharma.)

                    But again, as a long time C Span watcher, i can tell you there are several youngish analysts who are very eager to have a war that utilizes ‘limited range” nukes against an enemy.  The  war that is usually mentioned as being the likely possibility is against Iran.

                    "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
              • The Crone (3157 posts)
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                34. And here is a paragraph I found on my Hard Drive

                Gen. James E. Cartwright, a retired vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was among Mr. Obama’s most influential nuclear strategists, said he backed the upgrades because precise targeting allowed the United States to hold fewer weapons. But “what going smaller does,” he acknowledged, “is to make the weapon more thinkable.”

                Also I had several friends who believed that we utilized nukes during the NATO attacks on Serbia. Whereas our nuke weaponry used to have the capability of destroying an entire city, so in terms of using “The Bomb” we ahd to think big, now the weapons  are scaled down so that you could take out only an area of a city.

                "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • ThomPaine (4465 posts)
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        43. I can't believe you can even ask that question. Obviously no one in their sound

        mind would want a war with Russia.  But we are not always dealing with people with sound minds.  “Right Minds” maybe, but not sound minds.  I don’t think it’s too big a stretch to think there are those that feel that if we strike first we can win.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        45. One of Hillary's generals had published a book in which he

        Stated the absolute necessity of having a hot war with Russia by 2017, which happens to be the current year. So there’s that, as partial answer to your question.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Cassiopeia (2545 posts)
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      17. I don't think this is a CIA lie.

      I think this is 100% a .1%er lie.  The only groups that are really flogging this dead horse are media pundits that work for the richest people in the world.

      They wanted herself more than anyone.  Now they’re pissed because they didn’t get the pony they had bought and paid for.

      The only minority we should actually fear is the wealthiest 1%
      • Peace Patriot (2611 posts)
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        19. But the CIA told this lie, Cassiopeia, on HER behalf!

        I do think you need to read the books I recommended, especially David Talbot’s “The Devil’s Chessboard,” which, among other things, chronicles the cabal that Nazi-lover Allen Dulles put together, of billionaires, banksters and war profiteers, as the adjunct to, and social, financial and media support of his plans for U.S. domination of the world. Dulles was one of the original directors of the CIA, the one who really formed it into the malevolent force that it is today – the one whom JFK fired, and who retaliated by having him shot to death.  And guess who trotted along with the coverup of that horror, and has done for, lo, this half a century?  Every privately controlled corporate ‘news’ outlet in the country!

        That cabal is still with us.  It is, in essence, the 1% we all keep talking about.  Of course ‘Russia did it’ is a 1%-er lie, but it originated in the bowels of Langley where they write brainwashing narratives like this one and feed them to the media.  Allen Dulles’ cabal, writ large.

        • MistaP (6447 posts)
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          21. the IC report was clearly under duress and a creation of the top, political

          appointees at each one

          it reads like the Pueblo sailor giving the “Hawaiian good luck sign”–their main evidence was “RT has Ed Schultz on and he suggests that Americans don’t quite trust Washington”

          http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • FugitiveBirdie (1748 posts)
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      23. Please keep telling the truth Peace Patriot

      I have to add the video that started my discovery:

      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        46. I had missed seeing or hearing about this video.

        Thanks for bringing it to  our attention.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Stockholmer (2194 posts)
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      24. Neoliberal new motto: Everyone I Don't Like is a Russian Hacker

       

      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        28. Besides that, the Russians-hacking-the-election meme certainly pushed the

        unsolved Seth Rich story out of the spotlight. Perfect cover story.

        And your OP is a thing of wonder and it is impossible to read it without being pleased by it.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Stockholmer (2194 posts)
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      29. Thanks, but it is not my OP :)

    • tripleQ (617 posts)
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      32. It could be a lie.

      or it could be the truth.

      Thats what investigations are for.

      Unless one believes that Trump is too pure and angelic to ever ever do anything wrong, I don’t see how anyone can be certain it’s a lie.  I am surprised at all the people who are so sure one way or the other.  Maybe they have special powers of clairvoyance .

    • The Crone (3157 posts)
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      36. Last night there was a "Must See TV" moment

      When Hannity interviewed Democrat Dennis Kucinich.

      Dennis revealed that back in late autumn of last year, certain members of the Deep State went ahead and circumvented the policy of President Barack Obama and also Secretary of State John Kerry, both of whom were pushing for a cease fire in Syria. If that cease fire had occurred, then Russian military forces would have wiped ISIS out. But the Deep State wanted a continuing war, and kept the Russians from advancing on ISIS, which has, of course, then  led to and made necessary all the military maneuvers that the USA has had to engage in since then.

      Why aren’t these members of the Deep State outed?

      The 2 plus minutes wherein Dennis puts forth a lot of necessary information that all of us first must learn about and then act on is in the video at this link:

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • Peace Patriot (2611 posts)
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        38. I've never known Dennis Kucinich to be wrong. So this is what's going on.

        The Deep State was running a war against Syria without Obama’s permission and was actively and directly undermining his policy of detente with Russia in Syria!  AND now those same anti-democratic forces within and above our government are filling the airwaves with unsubstantiated, anonymous accusations to undermine Trump.  I had not quite put things together that way, but Kucinich sees the thread between the undermining of Obama and the undermining of Trump, and, as I said, Kucinich is one smart man and always calls it right, in my experience.

    • democraticdork (35 posts)
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      39. all very true

      but IMO the most pertinent function of that GREAT RUSSIAN DISTRACTION is that, while it seemed, for a moment, that the Democratic party was able to reform and find leaders we can all support: everybody is talking about the RUSSIANS every day and they won’t stop.

      Even denying or ridiculing all the BS rumors and allegations doesn’t help, on the contrary. It will be gleefully tolerated as part of the game.

      Your explanations are all very appreciated (always have, for quite a while) but: we should be very careful not to feed the establishment trolls!

      • Peace Patriot (2611 posts)
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        40. Yup, it provides cover for the Corporate Dems to NOT reform…

        …but I admit I didn’t explain that one very well.  I said…

        – It provides cover for their Democratic Party tools regarding the election fraud in the ’16 Primary;

        –  It provides cover for the Democratic Party’s transformation into the party of the uber-rich, the uber-corporate and the uber-war profiteers…

        This is a VERY IMPORTANT function of the “Russia did it” lie.  What I think is becoming very clear, and that we need to understand, is that the Democratic Party has been infiltrated and taken over by elements of the Deep State, including the CIA (or a powerful faction of the CIA) and its propaganda machine, the Corporate News, and including also a powerful faction of the cabal that Allen Dulles originally put together, of billionaires, banksters and war profiteers who work with the CIA to enhance the power and profit of the few, at home and abroad.

        Here’s a Counterpunch article, by Mike Whitney, that really nails it down:

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/seth-rich-craig-murray-and-the-sinister-stewards-of-the-national-security-state/

         

      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        41. There was a remark that Caitlin Johnstone made, that

        Is very similar to your statement; it was something to the effect that those who are part of the “McResist” movement should not feel that they are part of a “revolution” but rather that they are pawns of and  for the One Big Money Party.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
        • Peace Patriot (2611 posts)
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          44. I like that: "McResist." Great word!

          Thanks!

    • frylock (1400 posts)
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      47. Thread has been flagged by Fox news personality and MRA advocate, Steven Lesser

      You’re all on report!

      • Rozinante (3694 posts)
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        49. He's just a sociopathic whore.

        Looks like his gravy train will be ending soon.

        http://deadstate.org/conspiracy-theories-make-people-feel-like-theyre-special/
    • Ohio Barbarian (5164 posts)
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      50. I cannot recommend this. Point by point:

      The CIA wants a war with Russia?  A nuclear war? Bullshit. That would be suicidal, and the CIA is not suicidal.

      The CIA needs cover for hacking our elections? Well, maybe. I don’t know. I agree with you on the electronic voting machine issue, but you have absolutely no evidence that the CIA is behind it except your own faith that they are behind everything evil in the world, or so it seems. Certainly Diebold has manipulated election results. That definitely happened in Ohio in 2004.

      Providing cover for the Third Way manipulation of the primary? It’s possible. Again, you have no facts, only a theory. Just like the Third Way and alleged Russian hacking. You are no better than they are here.

      Cover for the Democrats becoming corporatist? Oh, please. Nothing can cover that up. It’s obvious.

      Entertainment for the groundlings? Well, sure, the press loves it for the ratings, but again you don’t need to blame it on the CIA, and again, no evidence, only speculation and nice, neat theories that Explain It All.

      Trade secret voting machines? I don’t know about any CIA involvement, but I completely agree with you that those things should be banned.

      Tools to control Trump? Maybe. So what? Trump needs to be controlled by somebody. He’s nuts.

      Allen Dulles? Boy, you’re going way back there. The Dulles Bros were total fascistic assholes, true. But there’s no secret conspiracy. There’s been a very public conspiracy for decades. It’s been right out in the open.

      Seth Rich was murdered, no question. He was shot several times in the back, and according to the police report I saw on JPR somewhere, died about two hours later in the hospital. I don’t know what happened there. Neither do you.

      You see the CIA and other intelligence agencies behind it all. I see either capitalism or human nuttiness and error behind it all. We’ll probably never agree on this, but that’s OK. It really doesn’t matter that much.

      We do agree on most of the real, important issues. That is important to me. I hope it is also important to you. It’s essential that we find some way of working together to make a better world for our descendants, and I certainly have no trouble with reining in the MIC and IC. They badly need a good corralling.

       

       

       

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.