The Case Against $2,000 Checks Is Garbage

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    • #394056
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      New data about $2,000 survival checks destroy the arguments being made by Senate Republicans, Joe Manchin and billionaire-owned media.

      As they blocked $2,000 survival checks, Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn argued that the money would enrich the wealthy — and that assertion has been echoed by Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, who has threatened to hold up the proposal because he says it does not adequately target benefits to those who need it most.

      “I’m all for targeting the money,” Manchin told CNN this weekend. When host Jake Tapper asked if he would support sending checks to anyone who makes under $75,000, Manchin said: “Not carte blanche across the board.” He added that Congress has been “sending checks to people that basically already have a check and aren’t going to be able to spend that.”

      These talking points have been echoed by some liberal pundits and billionaire-ownedmedia outlets, which have depicted the checks as mostly going to people who don’t need help.

      But new data prove that rhetoric is bullshit: In fact, the survival checks would immediately deliver enormous benefits to the poorest Americans facing eviction, starvation and bankruptcy.


      The cruelty & greed of the Group of Parasites & friends never ends.

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #394057
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      they might as well just send apaches to strafe neighborhoods.  it would accomplish the same result more quickly

    • #394061
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      How can anyone be so out of touch? They actually think someone gets $2,000 and says, “I don’t want this. I got more money than I know what to do with!” Many people are living on Top Ramen right now, and they could use $2,000 to buy some hotdogs to throw in there.

    • #394062
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      The Vichy Dems will only help Wall Street and the MIC, and those $2000 checks will not be used to buy stocks and bonds.   If those checks were earmarked to, say, start 401ks, with fees taken out of them, then yes, there would be checks.  Perhaps if those checks were actually $2000 Amazon gift certificates, then yes, there would be checks.  But people paying rent and buying food?  Not worth the tiny bump in profit.   And those darn people would just need food NEXT month, so no use spoiling them now.

      I would be fucking astonished if there was not already Biden legislation in the works that would recompense the big rental-derivatives-holding  firms like Blackstone for lost rental revenue – while leaving the people who could not afford to pay rent, still owing rent.  Much like the mortgage thing Obama gifted Wall Street with.  Blackstone initiated the first rent-backed securities, and we all know how that game is played.  Blackstone et al. win, renters lose.  Blackstone was planning to dump those derivatives into the Hillary plan for taking 3% out of everyone’s paycheck and giving it to Blackstone Group to play with.   They will get their expected profits, no matter what.

      Our government does not care about poor Americans.  Best to view everything through that lens.

    • #394074
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      that the checks would go out the next day after the Georgia elections.  However, Nancy will not accept the republican version of the $2,000 bill that does not have all the pork associated with it.  It is not republicans, but rather Nancy Pelosi who is holding up the $ 2,000 check.

    • #394090
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      I was saying since long before the emergency that a direct payment, which just happened to be about $2000 a month, should be limited to those living on less than $30,000 because  by the way American society was designed the wealthy would be the ultimate benefactors of all money given to the middle class. I stand by that analysis, but it does not apply today. Those making less than $75,000 are overwhelmingly those who have either lost their jobs or have lost a major portion of their costomers due to the pandemic. This is not 50% of the population getting an increase in disposable income, which would be quickly soaked up through “unnecessary” consumption, it will go immediately to necessary survival expenses. Perhaps many of those people had a lifestyle that was destructively based on excessive consumption, but that is a moot point now, and it would be cruel and counterproductive to judge them.

      Manchin, McConnell, Cornyn, and “now that Biden’s won” Pelosi are saying nothing like that. They are just plain hurting people for their own purposes.

    • #394157
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      should do likewise. If we had government that gave a damn we wouldn’t need charities. But then the greedy uber wealthy wouldn’t get their tax write off. This country is so fucked.

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #394172
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      The benefit of getting survival money out to the majority outweighs the possibility that some who ‘don’t need it’ will get $2000.

      The people who ‘don’t need it’ already got plenty (e.g. tax cuts, military spending, PPP etc) & the same people bitching about $2000 voted for tax cuts & payments to the rich gleefully (and probably got an extra campaign donation for doing so)

      and as ZIS says, anyone who really doesn’t need the $ has plenty of people who do to donate it to.  possibly many in their own family or community.  or useful organizations in their community.  or useful projects in their own community.

      money = fertilizer, grow more flowers


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