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    • #373364
      salemcourt
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      Foreign Policy: We can expect the number or wars to increase under Biden. There was a big push by the MSM to get US involved in a war against Syria and against Iran. In both these cases, they would have succeeded if Biden was in the Whitehouse. If we look at coups in South America, the two coups that did not succeed are the ones against Venezuela and Bolivia. Again with Biden at the helm, both these governments would have been overthrown decisively. Better relationship with North Korea would not have happened under Biden. Without Russia gate, we would have belter relationship with Russia. Also, in Ukraine, it is not certain they would have a relatively interference free election under a Biden administration. Most of the MIC support Biden in 2020.

      Trade polcy: Despite all the naysayers, it is a good thing if we can reduce the free flow of capital to other countries followed by the free flow of goods into US causing blue collar workers to lose jobs. With Biden, TPP would have passed and manufacturing would be outsourced more than it is currently. Most of the high tech manufacturing (drugs, electronic goods, etc.) support Biden in 2020

      Financial Policy: With Biden, the bailout in the recent pandemic would have looked different. Most of the money would have gone to Banks and big companies. The small business payroll protection plan, and the one time payment of $1,200 may not have come o fruition. Most of the big banks and billionaires support Biden in 2020.

      Domestic policy: For the last four years, many people from the intelligence community has infiltrated the main stream media (see Glenn Greenwald interview with Tucker Carlson). In addition, many former top brass from the military have started contributing to MSM in a much larger way than before. They have been a big part of a concerted effort, first to kick Trump out (soft coup) and then to continue to push the scales for Biden, hiding and censoring anything negative about Biden from coming out. Democracy is at stake this election. If Biden wins, then the intelligence community has achieved their aim. If the polls are proven to be wrong again this election cycle, then we can be sure that the manipulation of the poll number to influence voters is a real thing in US politics. Most of the former intelligence community, the media, and military top brass support Biden.

      All the above are some of my reasons for not supporting Biden under any circumstances.

       

    • #373370
      djean111
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      Got a recorded voter outreach call from Michelle Obama today.  Hung up as soon as I realized that, and NOPE.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

    • #373376
      HassleCat
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      Most voters feel compelled to choose either Trump or Biden. It’s perfectly natural to feel that way. We all grew up believing we have a “two party system” and that means we have to choose one or the other. Most Americans would be shocked to learn that we once had no real political parties, or that we once had more than two parties. So most voters feel obligated to choose between Trump and Biden. Since Trump is obviously crazy and destructive, they will vote for Biden because he is not as obviously crazy and destructive. And 40 years of Clinton Democrat style crazy and destructive has normalized destructive, even if the crazy is hidden from public view. So I imagine Biden will win, and we will return to alternating between Republican and Democratic destruction every four to eight years.

    • #373382
      Bernin4U
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      – Known liar and plagiarist, especially with his own history and achievements

      – Lied about circumstances that got his wife and child killed

      – Draft dodging war hawk

      – Sexual predator, pervert, and quite possibly rapist

      – Experiencing obvious mental decline

      – Darling of financial institutions for decades, will always put bankers first

      – Will always prefer repubs to progressive dems

      – 3-time primary loser, would not have done better than 3rd-4th place in a legit 2020 primary

    • #373395
      Passionate Progressive
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      Entrenchment of neo-libs in the Democratic Party…When Biden doesn’t surround himself with Republicans (Kasich, Cynthia McCain et. al.) he surrounds himself with the corporate wing of the Democratic Party.  Biden wants to bring more Mayor Petes into the Democratic Party link here…consider the CIA Democrats exposed within the WSW link here.

      ….Combine these cronies with the other neo-lib beneficiaries of nepotism (Joe Kennedy III, Chelsea Clinton, Andrew Cuomo, etc.) and a progressive movement within the Democratic Party won’t see the light of day……

       

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

    • #373423
      Jim Lane
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      @hasslecat

      I drafted a reply to your comment about the history of political parties in the U.S.  I decided to make it a separate thread, though.  (Link)

    • #373425
      Babel 17
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      We’ll just have to follow Jill Biden’s advice and choke it down.

      https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/19/politics/jill-biden-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump/index.html

      “Your candidate might be better on, I don’t know, health care, than Joe is, but you’ve got to look at who’s going to win this election,” she said. “And maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say, ‘OK, I personally like so and so better,’ but your bottom line has to be that we have to beat Trump.”

    • #373439
      Babel 17
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      @hasslecat

      The media bent itself into pretzels defending the Clintons corruption. Hillary’s laughably bizarre unequal treatment as a futures trader in Arkansas being one example of how it was deemed OK because in Arkansas corruption was accepted, and you had to grift to get by.

      The Clinton family corruption getting a pass by the media was a signal that it was OK for the media to sell out. And Bill Clinton’s gift of gratitude to them, of deregulating the telecoms, accelerated the process. https://truthout.org/articles/democracy-in-peril-twenty-years-of-media-consolidation-under-the-telecommunications-act/

    • #373516
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The polls themselves indicated Trump had a real path to victory in 2016, just by looking at the margins of error. I think the only state where Trump won when he was down by more than 5% was Michigan, and that was due to Black and other working class people refusing to vote for Hillary.

      If Trump wins on Tuesday, that tells me that the polls were deliberately manipulated. By whom or exactly how I won’t hazard a guess today. I’ll wait and see whether it happens first. I really don’t think it will.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #373549
      eridani
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      But how does supporting parties that don’t take elections seriously help advance those policies?

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #373555
      PADemD
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    • #373577
      salemcourt
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      @Bernie4u @PADemd  many more than I can list – very true.

    • #373579
      djean111
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      So a progressive’s vote for Biden is as much throwing that vote away – however ridiculous that concept is, given the corruption and lack of democracy we have – as not voting or voting third party.  If all of your shots at third parties are designed to get people to vote for Biden/Vichy Dem, then you have forgotten another choice – not voting at all.  Especially since people not voting for Biden or Trump absolutely feel that neither bowl of excrement will make their lives any better.  All the precinct captains in the country would be lying if they said Biden will make things better.  No, a bit different, with the same results.  Probably worse.


      @eridani

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      • #373819
        eridani
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        need to get serious about voter outreach.  Stating out in areas where they have an electoral base, they can then move on to running for state legislatures and county offices.  Until they succeed at that level, it is utterly worthless for them to run national candidates.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #373593
      salemcourt
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      @eridani  Voting for third party provides the with access to ballots in the future, even though the present crop does not take it seriously, like the Greens this year.  In addition, if you really want to vote for the lesser of the two evils, then Trump would be your choice.   His foreign policy alone makes him a better choice than Biden (much less brown people killed around the world).  Also, poking in the eye of the most of the intelligence, military, and MSM should be so much more satisfying than voting for, IMO, the most corrupt politician in this country.

    • #373623
      Pam2
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      “Most of the former intelligence community, the media, and military top brass support Biden.”

      This is a big concern. It almost made me think of voting Trump for half a second. (I didn’t. I voted for Howie).

       

    • #373821
      JonLP
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      Trump tried to coup Venezuela but failed. He assassinated an Iranian general and pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal increasing tensions with Iran. Even Obama turned down the option of assassinating an Iranian general. On North Korea they are playing Trump, they have increased their nuclear program rather than drawing it down. The only positive is he wants to draw down in Afghanistan but he isn’t even doing a good job of that either.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

    • #374168
      Electrolyte Orchestra
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      @eridani

      its not as simple as “running”

      The Democratic Party has fought Green party ballot access this whole election cycle.

      What was once a party of the people is now beholden to big donors and it fights policies that would help average people. Voting  Blue my whole life has helped create that. The Dem establishment has nothing but scorn for the left. Rahm summed up their attitude best – ‘they’re f#cking retarded, where else they gonna go?’
      Perhaps it’s time we find out

    • #374175
      salemcourt
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      @electrolyteorchestra The DNC filed lawsuit saying that the 75,000 votes required in NY was not legitimate to try and strip the green party from the ballot,  You have to get 50,000 signatures (used to be lower, but has increased in most states governed by democrats.  Also, in addition to all the signatures, you have to get 5% in the doctored polls to get on the debate stage.  Saying that you just need to file to run is so naïve.

    • #374209
      MizzGrizz
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      ..is the very fact that the primary was stolen for him.

      A vote for Biden is a vote saying you are A-OK with election theft…if it happens to be colored blue.

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