The censorship of climate change in our media and a modest proposal to help change that forever.

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  • #43140

    Ohio Barbarian
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    On weekday mornings, I usually catch the local weather on free over-the-air local TV stations, which are network affiliates. This spring, just like the last two springs, every day the weather people mention the average daily high temperatures for the particular date, which is almost always 10 to 20 degrees higher than today’s expected high. There’s a reason for that phenomenon here in northeastern Ohio, but they never mention it.

    The national corporate media weather news, while always sending some poor sod to stand in the middle of a howling blizzard or hurricane, or talking about hundreds of miles of failed levees and devastated farmland alongside the Missouri River, or talking to tornado survivors in Oklahoma or the South standing in front of tattered American flags, or standing in the burned out towns like Paradise in California, or deigning to mention the worst hurricane(though they call it a “cyclone”) to ever hit the southern hemisphere in the unfolding disaster in Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Malawi, all talk about the weather events themselves, but never, ever, mention the most likely reason why all of this is happening.

    We all know, of course, that is climate change. It’s here, now, and it’s very real. Climate change models predicted all of this stuff. Here in the northeast, as the jet streams shift, there are more polar vortexes shifting south, bringing colder air into the Midwest and New England for at least half the year, a pattern that may not change for decades or centuries. Unfortunately, this shift will not prevent hotter and hotter summers, making air-conditioning more and more of a necessity. The 6-10 weeks of pleasant weather every spring and fall, which I could look forward to as recently as three years ago, may be gone for the lifetimes of my stepkids.

    The American West will be subject to longer droughts and more intense winter storms that will afflict a solid third of the country. Summers will get so hot that plans should be made now for the eventual abandonment of cities like Las Vegas and Phoenix, where it will likely get too hot for civilization to survive. The South will get hotter and will start losing coastline as sea levels rise, jeopardizing coastal regions and cities such as Houston and Miami, as ever more powerful tornadoes lash the more inland areas.

    We know all of this, yet the corporate media, including PBS, heavily funded by advertising revenue from the fossil fuel industry, does its best to never mention the term climate change while putting on talking heads who do their best to postulate why the Green New Deal is too expensive and unrealistic but Forever War is necessary to defend our “freedom.”

    Fortunately, the Internet is also here, and is allowing the voices of fucking reality to get wide exposure, so I believe we still have a chance to maybe save most of us and a good portion of the biosphere as well. Maybe. We have no choice but to at least try, and here’s a couple of wild ideas that might just help.

    This country needs a real Public Broadcasting Service again, 100% funded by the government in addition to small donations from members of the general public, with full editorial freedom. They should be able to hire real investigative journalists who will get the findings of real scientists to the public and ferret out the corruption of the corporations and the politicians they buy.

    Not only that, but private news services should be required to be just that, services, that have a duty to tell the American people the real, solid facts, and not give equal weight to opinions based on fantasy, corporate propaganda for profit, or religious nonsense. IOW, the old Fairness Doctrine must be brought back with a vengeance. The networks that are rightly called the least trusted names in news such as Fox and CNN should be forced to change or just go away.

    I’m sure they will wail about their First Amendment rights, but if I don’t have the right to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater, I don’t see why they should have the right to say there is no fire when we can see the smoke on the horizon.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #43153

    ThouArtThat
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    An alternate proposal because waiting for the likes of PBS and NPR to return to their roots means extinction.

    Extinction Rebellion – https://rebellion.earth/

    US Chapter here – https://xrebellion.org/xr-us

    The co-founder, Roger Hallam, is interviewed by Chris Hedges in the following videos.

    "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
    Rather than truth as the authority."
    - Gerald Massey

    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
    - Jiddu Krishnamurti

    “Wisdom tells me I am nothing.  Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows."
    - Nisargadatta Maharaj

    • #43190

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      Excellent for now, yes, and where do you find it? On the Internet, of course. I’m talking medium to long term, and am not advocating waiting for NPR and PBS for no doubt the exact same reasons as your own. I’m talking about actually letting them return to their original purpose within the next few years. Any longer and you are right; it’s probably too late.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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    I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

  • #43229

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    You hit a nerve with this one, OB… TO THIS DAY, we wait for the Weather Channel to describe what is going on in scientific terms. John Coleman, who is no longer alive, and who co-founded the weather channel (as a meteorologist, no less) had this to say upon having to put up with “the high priest of Climate Change”, Al Gore…

    “There is no significant man made global warming. There has not been any in the past, there is none now and there is no reason to fear any in the future. The climate of Earth is changing. It has always changed. But mankind’s activities have not overwhelmed or significantly modified the natural forces.”

    THIS is a mantra carried over to every station carrying the news. They WON’T say it… They ARE INTIMIDATED to say it… They are the Rachel Maddows of the “read the edited version” set. They all should be remembered that way…

    Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #43266

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      “There is no significant man made global warming. There has not been any in the past, there is none now and there is no reason to fear any in the future. The climate of Earth is changing. It has always changed. But mankind’s activities have not overwhelmed or significantly modified the natural forces.”

      This is how I also think. The whole carbon tax thing is a politicians wet dream taxing the very air that we breath.

      I also believe that we could do better in the area of conservation.

      • #43293

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        Well, 99% of the scientific community disagrees with you, and the other 1% is paid by capitalist businesses who profit off of things that generate greenhouse gases. The oil companies themselves predicted climate change, caused by human activity, as long as 50 years ago.

        I agree with you that we could do a lot more in the way of conservation and that a carbon tax would be ineffective. That last is Jamie Dimon’s solution, by the way, cap and trade. Of course, I’m sure he and Jeff Bezos would love to come up with a way of selling us the very air we breathe, which would also be a Very Bad Thing, since they’d happily let anyone who could not pay suffocate.

         

        We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

        • #43319

          Lord Thomas
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            Thank you for providing links. The Fraser Institutes appears to be a right wing/libertarian think tank. Less than two minutes on the google brought me to this critique of it.

            I admit my bias against right wing and/or libertarian think tanks, because they always worship the “free market.” I come right out and say I am a socialist, so at least I’m up front with where I’m coming from.

            We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

            • #43393

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              FYI – your link, links to an OP here on JPR about linking to things?  It’s no big deal, I was not trying to argue, just showing different views.

              The 2 links I put up, came from a google search About  “consensus of scientist on climate change” took about 2 minutes.

              I was on the man made climate band wagon back in the day, till I watched the Al Gore movie.

              What I saw was Al using ice cores from way back and comparing them to today. The part about carbon in the atmosphere @.003 and how those little particles produce, I don’t remember if they were still on cooling and had not moved on to warming or like today Climate Change a catch all title.

              What stood out to me is, he also had cores with the same content of carbon way back when there was no industrial human stuff going on.

              He tried to explain it away but I was not buying it anymore.

              Yes Climate Change is real, human involvement  is probably @.003.

              A $$$ political money maker, to con us out of more money.

              As I mentioned we should concentrate on being nice to Mother Earth.

              Not trying to change anybodies mine.

              Look up where the USA ranks in Global polluting, compared to the rest of the world.

               

              • #43437

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                I don’t know what percentage of climate change is caused by human involvement; I doubt anyone really does. Hell, we don’t even understand the oceans yet, and they’re bound to have a big impact on climate since they cover 3/4th of the Earth’s surface. I am convinced that human action has accelerated climate change if nothing else, because carbon emissions going up this time around coincide with the Industrial Revolution. It’s a correlation, not an absolutely proven fact, true, but correlations are often right.

                So why keep spewing shit in the air when we don’t have to? Why take the chance? Why keep destroying tropical forests? Why keep doing things that we know are causing species to go extinct? Preserving capitalism and corporate profits is not a good enough reason.

                To me, a massive global effort to restrain carbon emissions, not to mention methane, is the safe, conservative thing to do.

                We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

                • #43463

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                  As I mentioned what was the cause of carbon emissions going up way before the Industrial Revolution?

                  The Earth changes, always has, always will. I’ve found sea shells on mountain tops and in the desert. I don’t know.

                  I feel they just use the carbon thing to get money. See the first sentence in this reply.

                  Yes we can do things to combat pollution and should, but i feel that to think us puny humans can affect the climate on this planet is laughable.

                   

                   

                   

                  • #43481

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                    Volcanic eruptions. Release of various greenhouse gases causes by earthquakes and other things related to continental drift. Asteroid strikes. Who knows what else caused carbon to go up before humans? We do know that humans have emitted, and continue to emit, greenhouse gases on a huge scale.

                    I think you underestimate our capacity to fuck things up.

                    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

                  • #44254

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                    Those seashells were fossilized when they were covered by sediment while they sat at the sea bottom. They were thrust up, along with other sedimentary layers, to form mountains. This is the result of subduction of continental or oceanic tectonic plates. It is no longer a great mystery that we look to scripture to explain.

                    I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

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                • #43473

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                  Fossil fuel extraction is at least half of the cause or more.

                  And then there is this.

                  https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-energy/coal-and-other-fossil-fuels/hidden-cost-of-fossils

                  And you can hold your breath on Public Media to help since they are mostly funded by fossil fuel industries now. I think there has to be one very strong unified source available on both tv and radio and online that consistently corrects false statements not just climate issues but also on health care and everything. Both a fact checker and also an informative medium.Asap.

                  Animals know more than we do.

      • #43310

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        If, like an ostrich you stick your uninformed head in the sand, your body will still die, and meaning the end of you

        and your delusion, I will gain some small satisfaction in Darwin’s survival of the fittest being borne out once again.

        “ If you are not prepared to take care of the men and women who put their lives on the line to defend this country—who came back wounded in body, wounded in spirit—if you’re not prepared to help those people, then don’t send them to war in the first place.” ~Bernie Sanders

        • #43326

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          Nice to hear you want to do a Happy Dance upon my demise. 

      • #43747

        GloriaMundi
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        We already know that human activity affects global climate:  remember the ozone hole?  Once the world community prohibited CFCs, surprise, surprise, the ozone hole began to shrink.  And CFCs are but one of the many pollutants that modern industrial society has introduced into the biosphere.  Are you really unaware of species extinction, the overheating and dying oceans, and the rapid disruption of longstanding weather patterns?  Then there is no hope for you IMO.  But please be prepared to get out of the way, because the rest of us are not going to wait for the twits of the world to catch up.  We cannot afford to.

        I do agree that a carbon tax is no way to effect change.  It is indeed a concoction of elitists technocrats who are imbued with corporate values and who think that “the market” is the way to address looming global catastrophe.  These people, too, are complete twits who are congenitally incapable of assimilating information that does not comport with their deeply held ideologies.  To them, too, I say:  Get the f*** out of the way, change is coming — and we won’t be tweaking the ridiculous Rube Goldberg edifices you have built, we’ll be tearing them down!

    • #43920

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      You might be interested in reading/viewing this slideshow on a topic also ignored by the media and involving climate change:

      What is the impact of meat on climate?

      The IPCC concluded last year that we have to cut our CO2 emissions almost in half in the next dozen years if we are going to have any hope of limiting the damages from climate change.

      Given the enormity of this task, I assigned each of my 60 students studying sustainable design at Ryerson School of Interior Design a different facet of the problem of greenhouse gas emissions.

      Each student had to look at the history of the issue and how we got here, why it is a problem now, and what we have to do to fix it.

      Some of the responses were really terrific, and I will be publishing some of the best here on TreeHugger, starting with Claire Goble on the subject of meat. These were prepared as slideshows for the class, and I have included all the slides here, so I apologize in advance for all the clicks.

      Lloyd Alter
      March 18, 2019

      ‘Cause that's what it would be. "Tea and cake or death? Tea and cake or death? Tea and cake or death!" Students with beards, (mimes demonstrating with picket signs) "Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cookbook! Little Red Cookbook!" ‘Cause, "Cake or death?" That's a pretty easy question. Anyone could answer that.

    • #47763

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      Those so called Christians who insist that God would not let man’s actions destroy the world have failed to read their entire Bible. Probably have one of those rw underlined Bibles that tell them only what they want to hear. In Genesis it is clearly stated that after the fall it is clearly stated that the weeds started to grow. That if they were honest about what the book says is exactly where our greed and hate began to turn the world into what it is today.

      Sorry – didn’t want to preach – just trying to point out their stupid lies to themselves.

      jwirr

  • #43238

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    Closest I have come to real news with the least amount of propaganda is R.T. America.

    That said, here is an idea: If Bernie Sanders added initiating the very news system you just outlined in your OP, O.B., IMHO it would greatly add to his base.

    The more I think about it, I would love to see Bernie write a bill and find sponsors to try to make this type of public news service happen.

    It would further show that Senator Sanders not only talks the talk but he walks the walk.

  • #43241

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    I work with people who pooh-pooh climate change.  They are also GOP fundegelicals, so guess they come by it naturally.  Since they are the workplace majority by a lot, and I need to keep my job for a few more years, I don’t say much.  But it  is beyond  my comprehension they can’t look at the weather here and throughout the  country over the past few years, and not have at least  some  sense that climate change is real, and we are experiencing the effects now.

    For the  third winter in a row, we had two light skiffs of snow, neither adding up to  a full 2″.  We used to get at least a couple decent, 4″ or more snows per season.  Now we’ve had severe cold snaps with night lows dropping below zero.   But no real snow.  We’ve  had   large amounts of rain and localized flooding the past few years, though nothing like what is happening along the Missouri.  The weather is very obviously different,  but folks still think think climate change is bunk.  Or maybe they truly believe they will be rapture’d, so they just don’t care.

  • #43378

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    One minor disagreement OB, our climate models have not predicted the changes we’re experiencing – they all have been worthlessly optimistic.

    • #43384

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      Hmmm…I wouldn’t say they’re worthless. However, they did underestimate the rate of climate change. That is undeniable. They certainly got the meteorological effects in North America right.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #43662

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    A real Public Broadcasting Service is exactly what we will not be getting. They did away with the Fairness Doctrine and they wrote the Telecommunications Act with the specific purpose of misinforming the American people. 911 allowed them to fully implement their plan. Conspiracy theory? Hardly.

    I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

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    • #43672

      Ohio Barbarian
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      Conspiracy theory? No. There was, and is, a conspiracy to control the media narrative, but all the facts and players are right out there in plain sight. This conspiracy has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #43793

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    Regarding the truth that the earth has undergone climate changes in the past and will do so in the future: Only due to direct linkable catastrophic events have we seen global climate changes occur faster or as fast as they are now.

    As we all know, rapid climate change wiped out the dinosaurs-that rapid change was brought upon our planet by a direct meteor strike.

    Another much smaller change was brought about by the eruption of the volcano Krakatoa(sp?) which brought about a lengthy mini-ice age which greatly affected farming and caused direct famine throughout Europe and Asia.

    Core samples show that without some catastrophic event, global climate changes generally occur slowly over geologic timescales.

    Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years would be considered a very short period of time for global climate changes but even such time frames are not unknown. The Wisconsin Glaciation event had it’s stadia and interstadia (growings and shrinkings) over spans some as short as tens of thousands of years.

    That all said, the global climate changes we are witness to, the very ones the earth scientists all agree are occuring NOW, are far FAR more rapid than the natural ones that are recorded in Earths geologic past.

    Current global climate change, while not as rapid as those which occured due to catastrophe, are much closer to a catastrophic kind of time frame than any which occured naturally over geologic time frames.

    With 99% of the Earth scientists informing us that current global climate change is real, is happening at a near catastrophic speed, (on a geologic time frame), and that humans are the direct cause, I believe their warnings.

    Furthermore and related, with my own eyes i can see the alarming drop in insect life around my home. I read somewhere that at least 25% of the insects of the Northern Hemisphere are gone!

    I also know that us humans are a direct cause behind a worldwide extinction event when it comes to all of earths mammals.

    Both the insect loss and the mammal loss events are occuring at far FAR more rapid time frames than geologic time frames.

    Combine all three events with global over-populations of humans, add in their needs for resources plus the pumping of all that carbon into our atmosphere, well it is easy to see that the human race IS having a rapid effect on the surface of this planet.

    Someone upthread said something about burying ones head in the sand. I have my own version: He who deliberately buries his head in the sand also deliberately exposes his ass to the world.

    Global Climate change is real, is occuring far more rapidly than ‘normal’, is being directly linked to the affairs of the human race by the vast majority of the Earth Science scientists and it is time to kick to the curb those who choose to expose their asses at us.

    BTW, not so off topic, does JPR have an ignore button?

  • #43863

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    Crucial from the observations of many of us who are older and have watched it all:

    From your post:

    That all said, the global climate changes we are witness to, the very ones the earth scientists all agree are occuring NOW, are far FAR more rapid than the natural ones that are recorded in Earths geologic past.

    Current global climate change, while not as rapid as those which occured due to catastrophe, are much closer to a catastrophic kind of time frame than any which occured naturally over geologic time frames.

    With 99% of the Earth scientists informing us that current global climate change is real, is happening at a near catastrophic speed, (on a geologic time frame), and that humans are the direct cause, I believe their warnings.

    Furthermore and related, with my own eyes i can see the alarming drop in insect life around my home. I read somewhere that at least 25% of the insects of the Northern Hemisphere are gone!

    I also know that us humans are a direct cause behind a worldwide extinction event when it comes to all of earths mammals.

    Both the insect loss and the mammal loss events are occuring at far FAR more rapid time frames than geologic time frames.

    Combine all three events with global over-populations of humans, add in their needs for resources plus the pumping of all that carbon into our atmosphere, well it is easy to see that the human race IS having a rapid effect on the surface of this planet.

     

  • #44294

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    “So why keep spewing shit in the air when we don’t have to? Why take the chance? Why keep destroying tropical forests? Why keep doing things that we know are causing species to go extinct? Preserving capitalism and corporate profits is not a good enough reason.  To me, a massive global effort to restrain carbon emissions, not to mention methane, is the safe, conservative thing to do.”

    Darrell Blatchley received a call from the Philippines’ Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources early Friday morning reporting that it had a young Cuvier’s beaked whale that was weak and vomiting blood.  Within a few hours it was dead.

    When the necropsy was performed, Blatchley told NPR, he was not prepared for the amount of plastic they found in the whale’s stomach.

    “It was full of plastic — nothing but nonstop plastic,” he said. “It was compact to the point that its stomach was literally as hard as a baseball.”  “That means that this animal has been suffering not for days or weeks but for months or even a year or more,” Blatchley added.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/704471596/stomach-of-dead-whale-contained-nothing-but-plastic

    • #46234

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      All done to enrich a very few at the expense of many, indeed the entire planet.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

    • #46245

      Ohio Barbarian
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      Methane is the really big bugaboo of greenhouse gases; of that there is no doubt. And cows fart methane. I’m a native Texan, I love my beef in everything from steaks to cheeseburgers to enchiladas and street tacos. That doesn’t mean I’m not willing to pay more and cut way back on it.

      Besides, my decades in poverty taught me that one can do wonderful things with refried beans.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    • #47779

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      There is the question: What if the denier’s are wrong? The end of fossil fuel us – at least as much as we can – and the use of alternatives is not going to destroy us and may mean our survival so why are we insisting on continuing with fossil fuels? I we are wrong the only thing that will happen is that our lifestyle will change a bit – and the Green New Deal will have provided us with jobs and a means of change. But to follow a denier is to walk out into a busy highway and expect all the cars to avoid us.

      jwirr

      • #47806

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        That sums up the debate in a nutshell. The human species has nothing to lose by doing what we can to reduce our emissions of greenhouse gases, and potentially our own survival to gain. The only people who will lose out is the small minority who make their living off of the fossil fuel industries, most especially those who are making outrageous profits off of the existing system.

        As for lifestyle changes, I’d rather have to make a few of those, no matter how uncomfortable, than risk continuing on our current path which just might end in extinction.

        We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #47830

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    Wrapping this up in my own perspective with a broad question: When in the course of human history has it been a simple/easy task for the majority-for the peasantry to stop the minority ruling class?

    To me, this is the issue.

    Roosevelt called them economic royalists, in a different era they could indeed have been labled royalty.

    They have always been in a minority, they have always milked the peasantry and they have always expected to remain in power.

    Capitalism has not illiminated this phenomenon. The royality will just keep on keeping on until we peasants force them to the table to sign a new Magna Carta, or put their gilded necks on a chopping block should they refuse.

    The royalty will do neither on their own…

    …we are the majority, it is up to us. It is our planet too.

  • #53060

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    Probably 96 percent (my guess) of the populace have no idea how complicated an evaluation of the subject of climate change can be. I learned the hard way through 3 acquaintances.  2 of them were Ph. Ds, the other was a crackerjack weatherman.

    Christ, I studied astrophysics and all that crap but these dudes blew my mind.  Won’t go into it but it’s akin to talking to a classical pianist and your knowledge is “A little bit about playing chopsticks”   There’s so many complicated variables with dozens of outcomes in a single layer of various atmospheric levels plus reactions from OTHER complicated variables plus a myriad  of other scenarios that have an effect on the this and that…

    If it sounds like I truly have no idea what I’m talking about (regarding climate science)  ..you’re absolutely correct!  Had no idea the science was so deep and complicated.  I’ll stick to the heavens.  What I do know is these people don’t throw out stuff like “civilization is heading into a brick wall”  lightly.  They-know-their-shit.

    Crawling through reality.

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