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  • Fawke Em (4570 posts)
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    The Daily 202: The far left is winning the Democratic civil war

    This article makes me VERY happy, but I have one small correction: We’re not the “far” left. We’re just “the left.” Corporate Democrats are little more than 90s Republicans.

    THE BIG IDEA: Tuesday was a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day for Democratic moderates. (PERSONAL NOTE: :roflmao: )

    The success of very liberal candidates in primaries across four states is causing a new bout of heartburn among party strategists in Washington, who worry about unelectable activists thwarting their drive for the House majority. But it also reflects a broader leftward lurch among Democrats across the country since President Trump took office.

    — In Nebraska, a liberal social worker and political neophyte who built her campaign around “Medicare for All” scored a shocking upset in a Democratic primary to take on Rep. Don Bacon (R). Kara Eastman, 45, beat former congressman Brad Ashford, 68, in an Omaha-area district that national Democrats believed they could pick up in November.

    Eastman advocated for universal background checks to buy guns, raising taxes and decriminalizing marijuana. “I’m tired of hearing Democrats don’t have a backbone, that we don’t stand for anything,” she said in a commercial that touted her support for universal health care. “That changes now!”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/05/16/daily-202-the-far-left-is-winning-the-democratic-civil-war/5afb5fe230fb042588799528/?utm_term=.c4035ebf486d

     

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    • closeupready (2442 posts)
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      1. K&R – whether flimsy backbones, or bribes, their effect is the same.

      It keeps them from putting working Americans FIRST in implementing laws designed to improve living conditions for the American people.

      The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
    • CalGoldenBear (1593 posts)
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      2. The print and broadcast M$M likes to attack the far left, which

      should be enclosed in quotes as “far left” since Bernie Sanders and others articulate issues and legislation that responds to the felt needs and concerns of a majority of Americans — single-payer, Medicare for All, a more livable $15 minimum wage, free or reduced cost public education, etc.

      Meanwhile, the Dem establishment — especially the DNC and DCCC — and M$M think that just “anti-Trump” (or perhaps the Milquetoast Schumer-Pelosi “A Better Deal”) will win the day.  Dream on, dummies.

    • Peace Patriot (3766 posts)
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      3. Lol! It's not often I rec the Wash. Psst. But this one is good for….

      …some genuine belly laughs as well as laughs of ridicule.

      …a new bout of heartburn among party strategists in Washington, who worry about unelectable activists thwarting their drive for the House majority.  ( – from the OP)

      Laugh of ridicule.  I hope they choke on their burning hearts!

      These, of course, are the fuckers who lost a thousand elections around the country over the last half decade.   They’re not “party strategists”; they’re way over-paid, corrupt, slithering swamp-dwellers.

      In Nebraska, a liberal social worker and political neophyte who built her campaign around “Medicare for All” scored a shocking upset in a Democratic primary…. ( – from the OP)

      Genuine belly laugh – at the Wash. Psst’s studied ignorance.  Medicare-for-all is the most popular policy proposal in the country, put BACK ON THE “TABLE,” from its 1950s oblivion, by that neophyte presidential candidate Bernie Sanders! And, guess what?  He is now THE most popular politician in the country – and that is a big part of why.

      Sneaky, slithering, sniveling CIA-Psst assholes in league with the other swamp dwellers.

      I have gladly recced this OP because you posted it, Fawke Em, and because it’s entertaining.  But I won’t give the Psst a click no matter what they print.  They could call for abolishing the CIA and I wouldn’t click on their site.  So there might be other laughs awaiting those who click.

      • Fawke Em (4570 posts)
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        5. No problem.

        I thought it the venue of the story was as ironic as establishment Dems, who’ve lost the 1,100 seats you mentioned, thinking they know who can win a general. I don’t blame you for not wanting to give the CIA Post any clicks.

        Here’s another paragraph I’m sure you’ll get a kick out of :

         In the Philadelphia suburbs, centrist Rachel Reddick — a 33-year-old Navy veteran endorsed by Emily’s List — lost the Democratic primary to take on Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R) after “proud progressive” Scott Wallace ran ads attacking her for being a registered Republican until 2016. Wallace, 66, is the grandson of Henry Wallace, who was Franklin Roosevelt’s vice president for a term and then ran against Harry Truman, who FDR dumped him for, from the far left in 1948. In a victory speech to supporters in Bucks County last night, Wallace declared: “Together, we can make America sane again.”

            
        • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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          7. And of course they conveniently completely IGNORE Steve Bacher in that race!

          Who was even more of a populist progressive candidate than Scott Wallace was in that race.  I wonder if both of their votes were together on this how much more populist progressive strength that would show in this district!

          https://www.facebook.com/pg/SteveBacherForCongress/posts/

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        • Coldmountaintrail (6426 posts)
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          10. "the grandson of Henry Wallace"

          interesting development

          • duckpin (7367 posts)
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            22. Good genes in the Wallace family.

            "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
    • Maedhros (1057 posts)
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      4. This reflects the fundamental difference between Progressives and Democrats:

      Democrats believe that the people should follow the Party’s lead and work for what the Party wants.

      Progressives believe that the Party should follow the people’s lead, and work for what the people want.

      • Pacco Fransisco (4387 posts)
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        19. ^^^ this ^^^

        I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
      • chknltl (757 posts)
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        23. Bookmarking thread just for this quote!

        Needs to be quoted and posted over at SV.

      • MistaP (8488 posts)
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        26. the present-day DP evolved out of city machines: you get off the boat

        1882 and a ward heeler hands you a ballot guide in perfect Lëtzburgish; Boss Tweed was actually unique for dying broke (he also kept out the KJV Only movement, drawing much of Nast’s ire)

        fast-forward 13 decades and there’s still this very strong notion, especially among urban pols, that the party is a machine–the voters are employees, “participation” means door-knocking and van-driving, and the only way to honestly get ahead is to “put your time in” and climb up the ladder (primaries are just a way for grandstanders to jump the line by promising things they can’t deliver); once it’s your turn to be Assemblymember or state legislator or state AG, then that’s enough reason

        so unfortunately this elitist, dishwater view of politics is adopted by the leftmost of two parties; worse, it stopped working around 1998

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • Maedhros (1057 posts)
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          27. Good analysis.

          I recently asserted to a Democratic friend that it was the candidate’s responsibility to earn our votes by adopting policy stances that we agree with.  This prompted a very angry and dismissive snort of disgust, followed by “Dem-splaining” about how we can’t hope to have candidates with which we agree, so we better suck it up and vote for what we’re given.

          • MistaP (8488 posts)
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            31. passive and infantile: "N says it, I believe it, that settles it"

            I think the candidates’ disposability is key to the ramped-up emotionalism and identification–you can project yourself onto them, especially if they lack any real qualities of their own

            a lot of this came from the double punch of Bush’s near-dictatorial awfulness (heck, the Constitution’s suspended for an individual at Presidential say-so) and the 2007-8 primary–heated PUMAs who couldn’t say why they backed Clinton, just that it was “her turn” then too, and on the other side a full-on Cult: I remember the blank looks when I asked people to say why they supported Obama–it’s like they couldn’t remember what he said in his speeches, just that they were warm and mesmerized during the speech

            the Dems also envied (what they saw as) the mindless obedience of R voters–even their Tea Party “insurgency” was a Koch production, they were just someone else’s puppets; meanwhile on the D side Ted Kennedy was the last notable statesman when he died 2009, someone who’d been in politics for decades; Biden and Kerry were still faintly recognizable, the Clintons perpetual parvenus, Obama a one-term empty suit; the R bench was impossibly shallow even in 2012 thanks to their visibly-nonconstructive obstructionist tack

            http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • CalGoldenBear (1593 posts)
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          29. With a political machine, ambitious pols or wannabes have to "wait your turn."

          • MistaP (8488 posts)
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            32. didn't they use "it's her turn" for Coakley too?

            she practically stank with contempt that she’d have to go through the farce of being approved by commoners; Polybius wouldn’t be surprised–turns out nothing can get quite as aristocratic as a republic!

            indeed the lawyers and merchants who formed the Third Estate 1789 and everything that followed saw themselves as the real aristocrats, who’d earned their place by merit (as shown by wealth) rather than birth (as shown by the presence of poor and no doubt impecunious nobles): many of the most bourgeois Revolutionaries and philosophes had bought titles, or had received a secular “commendatory abbacy” from a patron

            in Britain, by 1911 only 9% of the House of Lords was from families ennobled before 1700 and half of them ennobled after 1850–all baronetcies bought with newspaper or soap-factory money

            http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • ThomPaine (5715 posts)
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        41. I take exception. It reflects the fundamental difference between Progressive

        Democrats and corporate DINO’s.  We Progressive Democrats are Democrats the bastards running the Party are Neo-Liberal corporatists.  I’ve been a Democrat for over 50 years and I ain’t letting the Neo-Liberals have the Party.

        • Maedhros (1057 posts)
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          43. Fair point [n/t]

    • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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      6. The UBER CORPORATE DUOPOLY still controls the power

      If they are going to use “extreme” adjectives by trying to somehow indicate we are on the fringes of American sentiment when we represent a MAJORITY of American people’s interests (which isn’t “far” ANYTHING jerks!), then I will have my extreme (but more ACCURATE) terms for them too!

      The UBER CORPORATE DUOPOLY controls everything in our lives (our government, our corporations with our jobs or not having any jobs, our media, our health care or lack of it!).  And they are a FAR EXTREME of a small less than 1% of people controlling a majority of our wealth in this country!

      Quit lying to us about who’s the “far extreme” group of people in this country!  It is YOU big money $TEALER$!

      Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
    • Ohio Barbarian (9071 posts)
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      8. At least it is finally beginning to be made clear that progressives have no wish

      for Democrats to cater to us or to give us ponies, we want them to be progressives, and to give the corporatists hell. Anything less is a waste of our time.

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Major Hogwash (3883 posts)
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      9. "leftward lurch"??

      Shit, if we aren’t completely to the right of center on all of the issues, they consider it a “leftward lurch”.
      Like they’re disappointed we all don’t support never-ending wars.
      Why don’t they just ask us, “Why do you hate America?”

       

      Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
      • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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        14. We should ask them publicly why they hate "far left" president FDR?

        And if they reject that characterization of FDR as someone they hate just as much as us, ask them how what he wanted to do and what he did for America is more in line with what those corporatists want rather than what WE want.  How are we more different from FDR than they are!  He won’t be able to argue that he’s more of an FDR fan than we are, and why we shouldn’t have leaders like us who could get reelected 4 times like he did that caused the Republicans to put in place presidential term limits.

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        • CalGoldenBear (1593 posts)
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          16. Perhaps folks should read Russell Baker's article. One of the books he

          reviews is Russell Brand’s Traitor to His Class:  The Privileged Life and Radical Presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt (2000).

          And for those who know their American history, “Smedley Butler” may ring a bell.  Butler was a two-star Marine major general, twice awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for valor and author of a speech and short book, War is a Racket (1935):

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

          More importantly, there was the 1933 “Business Plot,” according to Wikipedia:

          “In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler selected to lead a march of veterans to become dictator, similar to other Fascist regimes at that time.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

          • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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            17. Yeah, the hero Smedley Butler had been CENSORED from our high school textbooks!

            When I discovered him later in life after going through my college years of education, I wondered why this HERO that prevented a coup of our country would not be celebrated and acknowledged to our young people growing up so that they could learn what kind of behavior governs CRIMINAL action on the part of the likes of J.P. Morgan, etc. and what was the heroic actions of Mr. Butler to preserve our governmental authority and our constitutional system that is so valuable to all of us!

            Answer?  THE PAID the PTB to keep their names out of our textbooks and Smedley’s too, because they don’t want to be known as the CRIMINALS THEY WERE AND ARE TODAY!  And they had the financial means to being able to avoid being scrutinized as such.

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            • FugitiveBirdie (1925 posts)
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              45. Because those criminals succeeded in their coup in 1963…

              … and have been in control ever since.

              The winners write the history books.

        • Coldmountaintrail (6426 posts)
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          21. The "other-place" Democrats had already started tearing down FDRs legacy

          subtly, but pretty obvious to me when I was there (via identity politics as per usual) and it got stronger with time (or as more ‘normal’ posters left or were purged and the power clique dominated more)

      • Pacco Fransisco (4387 posts)
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        20. yea …and the moronic "love it or leave it"

        I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
    • 3FingerBrown (774 posts)
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      12. They keep talking about "unelectable"

      candidates who keep getting elected, at least in the primaries, so it looks to me like they are very electable.

      • ThomPaine (5715 posts)
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        42. Yeah so much for their "electable" Republican-Lite candidates that have

        lost over 1,100 seats across the country.

    • eridani (4633 posts)
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      13. "Far left" = "Thinks the New Deal was a good idea" n/t

      You've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right?  I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
      • D504 (230 posts)
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        24. +++

      • Enthusiast (13207 posts)
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        38. Precisely.

        "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
    • eridani (4633 posts)
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      15. Big Primary Wins for Socialists and Progressives Who Ran on 'Popular–

      –Demands That Were Deemed Impossible’

      https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/05/16/big-primary-wins-socialists-and-progressives-who-ran-popular-demands-were-deemed

      Defying national and state-level Democratic establishment forces that have worked to crowd out left-wing candidates and demonstrating that there is a deep hunger among the American electorate for a bold progressive agenda, candidates running on platforms of Medicare for All, free college, and a living wage emerged victorious in several state primaries on Tuesday and tore through the boundaries of what is conventionally considered politically feasible.

      “It feels like a monumental shift,” Arielle Cohen, co-chair of Pittsburgh Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), told the Huffington Post after four DSA-backed candidates defeated establishment Democrats in Pennsylvania. “We won on popular demands that were deemed impossible. We won on healthcare for all; we won on free education.”

      Running in Pennsylvania’s State House Districts 34 and 21 respectively, Summer Lee and Sara Innamorato—both running on platforms consisting of Medicare for All, strong environmental protection, and campaign finance reform—toppled what local news outlets described as a “political dynasty” by trouncing Democratic cousins Paul Costa and Dom Costa by a wide margin.

      “They said it wasn’t possible without institutional support. That we couldn’t talk about Medicare for All, a living wage, about ending corruption in Harrisburg,” Innamorato said during her victory party Tuesday night. “And you know what we did instead? We built something.”

      You've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right?  I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
    • Marym625 (29835 posts)
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      18. JPR rec!

      Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • TIME TO PANIC (729 posts)
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      25. The Washington Post would call Eisenhower "far left" these days.

      "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
      • Maedhros (1057 posts)
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        28. Nixon too. [n/t]

        • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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          30. Which Nixon? BOTH when it comes to the EPA.

          Cynthia Nixon is being viewed as “far left” today in New York, and Richard Nixon was probably too far left for today’s BI-PARTY CORPOROCRATS when he helped to create the EPA, which Trump’s administration and his fellow Republicans are trying to tear down today with cuts, and staffing with people that want the same.

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          • Art from Ark (3655 posts)
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            49. The EPA was established in the aftermath of two major environmental disasters

            The Santa Barbara Oil Spill (the worst US oil spill until it was topped by the Exxon Valdez spill 20 years later), and the Cuyahoga River Fire.

            The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
      • Enthusiast (13207 posts)
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        37. They sure would!

        "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
    • Cleita (2961 posts)
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      33. They are really going to be perplexed

      after the June 5 election in California. 😆 Everyone I’ve talked to are not voting for the same old Democrats.

      • CalGoldenBear (1593 posts)
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        34. Kevin De Leon will outpoll DiFi?

        Daily Kos sent out an appeal earlier today on behalf of De Leon.

        • MistaP (8488 posts)
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          35. there's no good polls from CA at all

          we’re flying blind between de Leon, Hartson, and Hildebrand

          http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
          • CalGoldenBear (1593 posts)
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            39. It's my understanding that Alison Hartson and David Hildebrand

            are the real progressives in the race for CA’s U.S. senator

            https://www.alisonhartson.com/

            https://www.davidforcalifornia.com/

            • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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              47. I agree. I think De Leon is a plant to take Jungle primary votes from them…

              To help Feinstein consolidate the establishment votes to win the jungle primary.  If De Leon wins the other slot, a lot of California voters will stay home and not vote.  I still think that one of the two (Hartson or Hildebrand) should withdraw and they join together to consolidate their supporters vote for the one staying in the race to increase their chances at getting one of the top two slots in the primary.

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        • Cleita (2961 posts)
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          52. Everyone I know is going for Hildebrand.

          Remember even if DiFi makes on the ticket, if the second next highest winner is a Democrat, that’s our choice. I really don’t believe any of the Republicans will make it to either first or second. So it seems we will have a choice between Herself or another Democrat. If we are really lucky DiFi won’t make it at all.

           

           

           

          • CalGoldenBear (1593 posts)
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            54. DiFi's nightmare is probably Alison Hartson and David Hildebrand winning

            the June “jungle primary,” leaving her out in the cold.  Still, at her advanced age, she can retire to CA and enjoy all the millions of her husband, Richard Blum.

            (I wonder how CA could have joined LA in adopting the jungle primary.  As it is, CA is such a blue state, like HI and NY).

             

            • Cleita (2961 posts)
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              55. It was by referendum I believe, and it did make it on the ballot

              in 2015. So it’s fairly new to us and we yet have to know the effect. However leaving DiFi out in the cold might be a desirable outcome.

    • Enthusiast (13207 posts)
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      36. Kicked and Recommended!

      To the max!

      "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
    • ThomPaine (5715 posts)
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      40. If one doesn't grovel before the Corp-Oligarchy, they are FAR LEFT.

      Back in the Democratic War of 2016 I asked the Neo-Liberal corporatists at SV what issues does the Far Left support that you don’t support?

      I must have asked that question a hundred times and all I got was crickets.   I asked over and over of the Clinton-Sachs fans what issues do you support?  Never a response.  They refused to discuss issues which really typifies what they are all about and it sure as hell ain’t issues.

      The Clinton-Sachs fans are blinded by her HUBRIS.

      • FugitiveBirdie (1925 posts)
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        46. Politics is about power and control for them…

        … and they espouse fear simply to enhance their power and control.

        Politics should be about ideas and hope.  Hope for ourselves and the future of our children and our children’s children.

    • TRex (4487 posts)
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      44. The reason we are the far left, is because the Third Way Dems have pushed this

      party so far to the right they practically have us teetering on a cliff with them. I say push them off and wave bye bye, nothing good comes from rubbish like neo-brands and their agenda to destroy the planet.

      OF COURSE we are winning, we have honor, honesty, truth and just the facts ma’am on our side and always have. Let the neo-brands eat their own – it is refreshing to watch. Reality has a far left lean to it – just the facts.

      Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
    • winter is coming (1079 posts)
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      48. If "far left" candidates are "unelectable", then how did they win the primary?

      Shouldn’t the “moderate” candidates have won?  Or perhaps they’re not as representative of the base as they’d like us to believe?

      • Cleita (2961 posts)
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        56. Actually many have been winning in local and state races.

        We all know that the DNC put the finger on the scale for Hillary to beat Bernie in the primary with the result that she couldn’t beat Trump.

    • Art from Ark (3655 posts)
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      50. So were these "far left" candidates waving Mao's Little Red Book around

      while talking about collectivizing farms as The Internationale was playing in the background?

      The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
    • RufusTFirefly (3529 posts)
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      51. Whenever I hear reference to the "far left" in this country…

      … I go a little bonkers. Not even the DSA is “far left.”

      The “left” in this country would probably be center-right in Europe.

      Of course, we probably have Frank Luntz and his ilk for defining our terms.

      Even so, it’s appalling how readily the media and “Democrats” adopt them.

      • MistaP (8488 posts)
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        53. and usually the first to bandy around that OccupyDemocrats

        meme of the 1952 GOP platform and “how far the other party has fallen”

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)