The Democratic Establishment Suddenly Loves Bernie Sanders

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    • #303950
      N2Doc
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      It did not take much for Joe Biden to distinguish himself from his main rival for the Democratic nomination.

      “If the Democrats want a nominee who’s a Democrat, a lifelong Democrat, a proud Democrat, an Obama-Biden Democrat,” he thundered triumphantly after his momentum-turning victory in South Carolina in February, “then join us!”

      Bernie Sanders is not a lifelong Democrat. He is not an Obama-Biden Democrat. He is not even a Democrat.

      But that is not stopping the party from trying to make him feel welcome — now that it has stopped him from being its leader.

      more from the NYT’s specialist in hit pieces on Sanders, Sidney Ember:

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-democrats.html

    • #303956
      A Simple Game
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      does all of this new found love include the Clinton camp?

    • #303959
      Electrolyte Orchestra
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      The democratic party as it stands now doesn’t qualify. They are business partners with the GOP. There’s always just enough blue dogs to advance the GOP agenda, and enough to stymie any semblance of a democratic one.

      Bernie represented a break from that arrangement, and was very popular. If another party were to provide that counterbalance, the Democratic party’s days would be numbered. They know they need to keep any lefties in the fold enough to stunt them. Progressives are like a bonsai tree for the democrats.

      • #304081
        Utopian Leftist
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        @electrolyteorchestra I think the real problem is convincing anyone that a third party will ever be viable here. Right now many consider a third party an act of sabotage that would divide the Democratic Party. But the truth is that if we DON’T divide the Democratic Party, and I mean NOW (if not now, when?), it will Republicanize itself into oblivion (along with human civilization).

        Maybe, if we can get the Greens to five percent some day, that problem will change. Publicity tends to have a snowball effect.

        Sadly, however, in my experience the masses are not swayed until the television tells them it is time to be. Apparently they’ll continue to vote for Bidens (stooges) until one of them either grows horns or is caught on camera having sex with a goat. Maybe even then. :shrugs

        "All fascism is a result of a failure of the left to provide a viable alternative." ~ Trotsky

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      djean111
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    • #303966
      Punxsutawney
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      Mostly foul.

      Didn’t love him enough to not bad mouth his ideas. I’m talking to you Klobuchar, Biden and Mayo Pete.

      When it matters they fought him at every turn possible, but they would have us believe they care about us.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

    • #303993
      carrotguy
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      mayor pete 2024 i can see it now.   what’s the future tense for “good riddance?”

    • #304025
      mrdmk
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      No, they do not like Sanders voters. Did not bother to read the piece, but do not piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

    • #304045
      Red Cloud
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      they are trying to woo millions of voters into voting for Biden after they rigged the system, sometimes on the fly, to ensure Clueless Joe would be their guy.

    • #304049
      xyzse
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      It’s basically showing that now that Sanders bent the Knee.  They will talk as much fluff as they want, because now, they KNOW Sanders can’t do anything about it any more.

      Basically, now that they know they don’t have to do shit, they can spout as much crap as they want.

      Do they actually mean it?  Nope.

    • #304053
      salemcourt
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      I do not read propaganda put out by NYT.  Stopped a long time ago.  The worst rag in business.  Better to read Fox news.  At least some of the articles have some modicum of truth in them.

    • #304195
      ProgRockinProg
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      Time to go all in. And get Biden to commit publicly. If not M4A, then a public option with an open path towards single payer M4A if Democrats get a second term.  Minimum wage to $15.  And along with Warren, demand criminal investigations against those in the Trump administration.  None of that “looking forwards” crap this time.  I guess I chose to see a silver lining not the dark storm clouds.

      People don’t want to recognize the fact that Sanders surprised many last time by giving Hillary a run for her money, and likely got cheated. And for the second time, he came close to winning. All of that despite the blackouts, the MSM derision, Hillary and other stalwarts smearing him.  We also had a second more left of center candidate running, Warren.  So the message of a corrupt system was amplified this time. It could have been much worse. That in spite of the pressure to rally round the establishment, and this is not the time to talk about “radical” ideas, M4A and other issues like higher min wage are more popular than ever.

      I guess I’m not in the majority, but to me, an administration run by third way neo-liberal Clintonistas THAT AT LEAST HAS AN EAR FOR PROGRESSIVES, is still 10x better than a Neo-Fascist administration, corrupt to the core, with no moral compass whatsoever. Unless you count Mitt Romney who had a moment of moral guilt once.  One term of Trump should be quite enough thank you, to shake up the system, to scare us.  Democrats still have the squad, they still have AOC, Warren, Porter, and Sanders as an influential ally.  I believe the progressive wing is even stronger this time round.  “Not strong enough for my vote!” you say?  Turning your back on AOC and others who choose to work for change from within? Instead of way way out? I say this is a big mistake. Yuuuuuuuuge.

      But Sanders must take advantage of this honeymoon period.  He didn’t campaign aggressively enough in the primaries. Mistake. But he can’t make this mistake of assuming the ConservaDems will follow through.  He must get written, as well as public television promises by Biden.  Then, and only then, I would encourage everyone to vote blue no matter who.

       

      • #304381
        djean111
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        Or any other empty threat.  If you vote for them, you are compliant, and they will proceed as if they have a mandate.  Pelosi will give her frightening grin and do exactly what she wants to do, Biden will probably feel emboldened enough to say fuck you, progressives, and progressives will have been had, yet again.  There is no way to enforce any damn thing.

        Also, the Democratic Party is actively and openly working AGAINST progressives like Bernie and AOC.  They don’t care what we progressives think, if we all vote for them, they got this.  With a big smile.

        Actually, your post looks like the start of laying the groundwork to now Blame Bernie for all the shit the Democratic Party will inflict upon us if they win.  Damn, I thought Bernie was already being blamed for enough.

        I am not here at JPR looking to be “encouraged” to do any damn thing I do not believe in.  By anybody.  This is not that kind of board.


        @progrockinprog

    • #304327
      FedUp
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      They love Bernie in the manner of the popular crowd at school that heaps scorn on and bullies the nerdy kid until they determine that kid has something of value that they covet. Then that kid suddenly goes from pariah to courted. I would respect Bernie a lot more if he had stuck it out until the end of primary season instead of folding and participating in that ridiculous scripted endorsement charade with Biden sitting there appearing confused about where he was and what he was doing. In the annals of US Presidential races, Biden v Trump has to be the most ludicrous pairing ever.

    • #304382
      Ohio Barbarian
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      No matter what Bernie says, Joe Biden is neoliberal corporatist who has Jamie Dimon on the short list for his Secretary of the Treasury.

      I will not vote for a neoliberal corporatist. I have some standards.

       

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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