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    • #461017
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Democrat Senator Joe Manchin said today on Fox News Sunday that he will vote No on President Joe Biden’s “Build Back Better” plan. Given the united opposition of Republicans, the last of Joe Biden’s promises to progressives has joined the rubbish heap of broken Democrat promises going back to Bill Clinton in 1992.

      After the Democratic Party rigged the primaries for Hillary Clinton in 2016 to defeat a wave of support for an old insurgent New Deal Democrat from Vermont, a group of people on social media and the up-and-coming YouTube who were generally in favor of European-style Social Democracy got together and launched something called Justice Democrats.

      Aware of the corruption enshrined by the corrupt Supreme Court’s Citizen United decision declaring that money was speech, the stated goal of Justice Democrats was to support progressive candidates who refused corporate money but supported health care for all, an increase in the minimum wage, ending imperial wars and many other Good Things, in Democratic primaries.

      Their reasoning was that the two major capitalist political parties had rigged the system so as to make it impossible for third party candidates to win, so progressives could only elect their own via primaries in order to change the Democratic Party from within and to form a bloc in Congress which, much the way the Republican Tea Party did, would obstruct their own party’s legislation until they got a few of the Good Things they said they were for.

      Eventually, they hoped, this would build a movement to get a Bernie Sanders or some other version of Franklin Delano Roosevelt or a domestic Lyndon Johnson nominated for President, and then maybe we could at least have FDR’s Second New Deal become a reality. In my opinion, it was worth a try, and I and millions of others pitched in as best we could, and the Squad was born.

      The experiment failed. Oh yes, a few outsiders with progressive talking points like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib did get elected in 2018 and 2020, but they never had the chance to actually conduct the experiment until the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House.

      The Squad was first revealed as the Fraud Squad by a self-described pothead comedian in his basement, one Jimmy Dore, when the latter started something called #ForceTheVote after the Democratic victory in the November 2020 elections. The idea was for the Squad, who now numbered at least 8 members, to refuse to vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House unless she publicly promised a floor vote on Bernie Sanders’ Medicare for All. Since the Democratic majority was less than 8, Dore figured, Pelosi would at least have to make the promise if the Squad stood firm.

      Somewhat to Dore’s surprise, methinks(I might be wrong; ask him) the movement was extraordinarily popular, took off, and even got attention from the corporate media. Squad members were asked about forcing the vote, and all of them said it was a very bad idea. They and their supporters, sycophants, and fans in social media screamed outraged abuse at Dore and anyone else who thought that applying political pressure to Pelosi, which is just basic parliamentary politics, was anything other than a crazy idea. How dare anyone question the integrity of the Holy Squad! In the end, every single so-called progressive Democrat voted for Nancy Pelosi, who is a real, live oligarch worth hundreds of millions of dollars in her own right, with a proven track record of blatant corruption, and an outspoken opponent of Medicare for All, for Speaker of the House.

      After Joe Biden introduced his pathetically inadequate Build Back Better infrastructure plan, the Democratic Progressive Caucus announced they would not vote for it until what was left of progressive policy ideas that Biden had endorsed, such as daycare subsidies for working families, had been signed into law. They even stood firm for a few months, as more and more things that would actually help at least some working class people were removed from the bill, one thing at a time. Kind of a legislative death of a thousand cuts.

      Last month, Pramila Jayapal, head of the Progressive Caucus, announced that progressives would vote for Biden’s infrastructure deal, without all of the social policy goodies, in the House because they trusted Joe Biden to make sure it passed in the end. By doing that, she and every single other progressive Democrat gave away all of their remaining political leverage, and guaranteed that they would get absolutely nothing from the Biden Administration.

      With Joe Manchin’s announcement today, those few progressive policy proposals are as dead as the proverbial door nail. Yet I guarantee you that these same progressives in Congress will continue to promise leftists the moon while soliciting cash donations on a regular basis, or perhaps going to millionaire galas wearing bold slogans and signifying nothing except their own acceptance into what C. Wright Mills once called the power elite.

      What have Justice Democrats accomplished? Nothing. What will they accomplish? Nothing, except their own celebrity and their own improved standard of living for themselves and their families, but not for yours or mine.

      The first thing one does when one realizes that one has dug oneself into a hole is to stop digging. The lesson I have learned from the failure of Justice Democrats is that the Democratic Party will change progressives, not the other way around, every time. I will never vote for a Democrat, any Democrat, ever again. I will not send any of them any money ever again. Neither should you if you are to the left of Joe Manchin.

      I am a Marxist, and freely admit that other Marxists were right and I was wrong when they said there was absolutely no hope that a capitalist party as corrupt as the Democrats would ever do anything to ameliorate the worst effects of that heinous economic system, yet I still held out hope. I think Justice Democrats and Bernie Sanders were worth a try, but that try has failed on the merits, and it is time to move on.

      Move on to what, you ask? That’s a fair question, and I’ll do my best to provide some answers, and maybe even some hope, in the future. Thank you for reading. Stop sending money to Democrats if you haven’t already. Good night, and good luck.

      Cross-posted from https://ohiobarbarian.substack.com/p/the-failure-of-progressive-democrats?justPublished=true

       

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #461022
      So Far From Heaven
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    • #461024
      closeupready
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      Though I won’t swear off every Democrat since (as we’ve discussed previously) the Democrat who represents me currently has actually been responsive to her ordinary constituents. But gone are the days when I vote straight Dem ticket, or vote Dem if I am unfamiliar with the specific office/race/nominees. And of course, I will NEVER give any of them my money or time, doing voter outreach or any of that, as if I were a cult member. If they need money, let them rewrite laws against using campaign funds for personal use; remove the veil – just legalize bribery outright. No more 3-card-monte games with your campaign war chest – why bother? So Victorian, ethics and rules are. And besides that, we live in a capitalist economy, and everyone should be able to partake in it. Amirite?

      Yes, make corruption, tax cuts for oligarchs, increasing the war budget your top priorities #1, #2 and #3, and make giving Americans without health care access to a public option priority #25 or 30, something like that.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

      • #461059
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I reached a more…exclusionary…conclusion, but I’m not going to have a purity test for political allies that includes never voting for a Democrat. That would be both silly and counterproductive. Not to mention unnecessary.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #461027
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      I can see that you’ve decided to speak truth to a wider array of the rest of us who initially were encouraged, but soon to be buyer remorse JUST US Democrats…

      Without going further to check your suggestions, my own is to not vote for any Democrats, but pray tell, sir… what does that leave me in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania? I recently saw that it was harder and harder to get another party (my initial third party recommendation was Green, not Libertarian), but more like the Movement for the People’s Party.

      I was a big Tim Black supporter, but apparently, he is insulted with Jimmy Dore’s lack of giving love to the TB followers, who I guess now think MPP carries a racist non-inclusion attitude. Frankly, the things I do on behalf of fighting the oil and gas industry and family don’t give me time to validate that, as if I could.

      So, I look forward to getting a better view. In the meantime, I’m seeing how some members of my extended family prefer not to have a clue, nor do their homework on why most of the country is mad. They are still going along with the purposeful plan to pit one against the other. I see right through it, and I can’t get them to examine their own consensus state.

      This shit’s gonna hit us really hard in the new year with is starting…. 5, 4, 3, 2, 2…

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

      • #461146
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I don’t know if it’s an ego thing or not that’s going on with him. He’s had a grudge against Jimmy Dore for a long time, and I don’t know why and really don’t care because it seems personal.

        I’ve lost longtime friends, all Democrats, in the last year because I dared to question one or another of their pet narratives, or because I am not willing to wait 16 years to give Democrats a chance to clean up Donald Trump’s mess. I clearly don’t understand the process or all of the obviously good, solid reasons Joe Biden has failed to deliver on any of his “most progressive presidential campaign platform in history.” Which, of course, makes me a right-wing Trumper, which is a very curious insult to aim at an open, real, live Marxist.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #461037
      Earthartist
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      Ohio sticks it again. Joe Lieberman was always the loan bad guy now we have the new Joe. Patty Murray and cantwell were the designated bad guys on healthcare and drug importation but democrats somehow continue to think this is just one or 2 bad apples. Things in this country will continue to slide until Americans wake up to the fact we have a failed government

      Earthartist

    • #461041
      mrdmk
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      The Democrats, you mean the people who say, “Heads I win, tails you loose!” Those Democrats?

      I learned that lesson a while ago. Here in California where the Democrats have a super majority sent three, ‘Medicare for All’ bill to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Of course, Schwarzenegger vetoed the bills. How many ‘Medicare for All’ bills were sent to Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom? Absolutely  nadda, none, zero. Now not only have the Democrats not sent any ‘Medicare for All’ bills, but they say we cannot do this right now. So take it from California, the Democrats are frauds.

      Need to add, congrats on your new Substack page

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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      • #461061
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I’m 63. The worst thing that can happen is that I won’t eventually make any money off of it to supplement my retirement. I have no idea what the best thing that could happen would be, so I figure there’s nothing to lose.

        It’s not like investing in cryptocurrency or something.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #461085
      3fingerbrown
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      Great post as usual OB. Congrats also on your new substack which I will excitedly be signing up with.  It seems I have a growing list of Substackers going on now!

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #461128
      MizzGrizz
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      Jim Lane
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      @ohiobarbarian

      You write: “I think Justice Democrats and Bernie Sanders were worth a try, but that try has failed on the merits, and it is time to move on.”

      My recollection of your posts on JPR is that you consider all electoral politics to be hopeless. Whether or not that’s what you think, it’s clear that many people who agree with you about the Democratic Party are pursuing the minor-party route. They support the Green Party, or one of the even-less-successful minor parties on the left, or they look with hope to the Peoples Party.

      My own view of minor-party politics is that “that try has failed on the merits, and it is time to move one.” The most obvious evidence is the complete futility of the Green Party after a quarter of a century of trying.

      I would be interested in reading what you might write about the minor-party try, if you analyze that approach with the same standards you apply to the Democratic Party.

      • #461255
        Ohio Barbarian
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        They came out for vaccine mandates and more Covid restrictions. The Green Black Caucus, or whatever it is called, issued a statement condemning the leadership, which includes the very forgettable Howie Hawkins, in no uncertain terms.

        I was a member of the original Committees of Correspondence back in the early 80s, did you know that? I helped found the Green Party in my own small way. I’ve attended a few local Green Party meetings over the years, but after Nader’s runs they became increasingly clubby, meaning more of a social club that meets to sit around, solve the problems of the world over wine and cheese, and then congratulate itself on how avant garde it is.

        IOW, they’re kind of exclusionary now. At least that’s my impression FWIW.

        And, like @eridani never tires of pointing out, they really suck on voter outreach.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #461256
      Earthartist
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      So Jim it seems your thinking is that because the elections are rigged by the oligarchs we should all bow down and be good little democrats and vote for the d shit sandwich?

      Earthartist

    • #461257
      LiberalCat
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      But I have to agree. This was an absolute debacle.

    • #462877
      Phlem
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      Corporate and it’s profits are opposing forces to the welfare of the country’s citizens.

      For 30 + years it’s been the same exact thing.

      Expecting a rigged system to suddenly become fair will NEVER HAPPEN.

      From these guys?

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dnc-argues-in-court-we-dont-owe-anyone-a-fair-primary-process

      • #462905
        djean111
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        get people to VFTBNMW.  All the verbal diarrhea spewed about how the Dems just can’t do what they promised (lied about) THIS TIME is based on the utter nonsense that we have a democracy.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

        • #462919
          Ohio Barbarian
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          Because a non-vote or a vote for a third party is a vote for the Evil Republican, you see.

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #462920
          Phlem
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          Fail at all their promises save 1 or 2 small ones that don’t cost corporate a penny and everyone thinks the Dems are trying to do better.

          It’s been the same scam for freaking ever and all the same excuses from the base who’s historical and political experience goes back one or two election cycles.

          So convinced they’re right,.. ” just wait for the next election cycle, it’ll be different!”

          Completely blind to the fact that the Dems use Republicans to keep the Dem base in line every time, all the time.

          “oh look the big bad Republicans (rightfully so because the Dems help them be as awful as possible) are going to win and only the Dems can save you from that hellscape, all the while voting right along with every Republican measure.

          The Dem base is fucking blind and lie to themselves and expect the rest of us to follow along.

          EVERYONE OF THEM CAN GET FUCKED.

          This will be my 4th vote for green.

          #DEMEXIT

    • #462925
      Dunatus
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      I was highly skeptical about the Justice Dems but figured it was worth a try…. But then there was no try. There was no concerted effort to actually force votes or proposals into legislation. After the force-the-vote debacle I’m completely done with the Democrats. Looking at the People’s Party right now….

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