The Fires that Foretold Grenfell – BBC Documentary

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      Do we have this level of incompetence in US fire safety regulations?

       

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      djean111
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      https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/bill-black-blame-grenfell-fire-victims-include-tony-blair.html

      There are many people culpable for the mass loss of life in the Grenfell fire in London. At this time, we know enough about the fire and its causes to be able to discuss these matters with sufficient confidence to draw preliminary conclusions. As always, we should also keep in mind that we do not have all the facts so some of our conclusions must be tentative.

      I do not focus on Tony Blair and Gordon Brown because they are uniquely culpable for the mass deaths in the fire. Their failures are important to explaining several points that are often unclear to Americans. First, Blair and Brown, as leaders of the Labor Party, were supposed to protect poorer citizens like those living in the tower blocks through effective health and safety regulation. Historically, that would have been a top priority of the Labor Party. Second, the reality is that Blair and Brown were aggressively hostile to health and safety regulation and that hostility exemplifies the radical transformation that “New Labor’s” leaders made to the party. Third, Blair and Brown modeled New Labor on Bill and Hillary Clinton and Al Gore’s transformative policies when they led the New Democrats. The New Democrats’ most radical political change was their hostility to the white working class, but their most radical policy change was their unholy war against effective health and safety regulation through the infamous “Reinventing Government” campaign. Fourth, the revulsion of much of the Labor Party’s base and the New Democrats’ base to these twin radical changes in political identification and policy in which the historical parties of the workers turned against the workers led to initial electoral success followed by severe defeats.

      Jeremy Corbyn’s success as the darkest of dark horse candidates to become Labor’s leader and Labor’s gains in the most recent election have stunned British elite commentators (and the far smaller number of Americans who follow UK political events closely). To say that Corbyn is to the left of Blair and Brown is to mislead by inadequacy. Corbyn is vastly to the left of Blair and Brown. Corbyn is very far to the left of Bernie Sanders and Corbyn favors policies and alliances that would be instantly fatal for an American elected official’s political career. Until the recent election results, dissent rules the Labor Party, with the great bulk of its leadership eager to knife Corbyn. Corbyn’s sharp break with Blair and Brown’s unholy war against regulation explains why so much of his Party’s leadership is eager to remove him from leadership. It also explains why his policies have led large numbers of younger voters to join the Labor Party and support Corbyn. Similarly, Sanders and Senator Elizabeth Warren’s popularity, particularly with younger voters, has repeatedly stunned the New Democrats’ leaders. The easily avoidable loss of so many in the Grenfell fire illustrates why Corbyn’s supporters have rallied passionately to what they see as the antithesis of New Labor leaders like Blair and Brown.

      Here are the key facts that we know relevant to this article. The Telegraph described them in a June 16, 2017 article entitled: “Eight failures that left people of Grenfell Tower at mercy of the inferno.” The building was inherently unsafe with regard to fire danger. The article begins with this damning introduction.

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      A pretty much horrifying but all too believable recounting of what happened follows.  I am pretty sure most building codes in capitalistic countries are a trade-off between cost and the possibility of being sued.

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      I just found this article. Landlords passing costs onto residents for safety upgrades.

      Grenfell: Survivors condemn new fire safety laws – BBC News

       

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      As for the U.K., the video points out these events go back to the 1980s, i.e. the Thatcher years.

      At the same time as in the U.K., the U.S. had the Reagan years. Both of these administrations were bent on cutting cost by any means. Some of these cost-cutting measures from both governments are with us to this day. As a matter of fact, today’s medical system in the U.S. has a direct line to Reagan’s policies. Add to this, the U.K.’s medical system is being privatized as you are reading this line. This was part of the plan of Brexit. The U.K. public were not given all the plans when Brexit was voted on. Which is why some people wanted a re-vote.

      Now, here in California and the rest of the Pacific Coast States, we are blessed and cursed with an event called an earthquake. In the 1917 San Francisco earthquake, it was a lesson well learned. What the earthquake did not knock down, the fire burned down afterwards. Believe it or not, one and two story wood structures constructed in the 1950s and later do well in earthquakes because of their flexibility and current building codes. Also, apartment buildings in California do have a legitimate one-hour fire containment rule, which is strictly enforced with inspections.

      Here is a big difference between the U.S. and the U.K. If a state in the U.S. does not like a rule, regulation or law, the said state will tell the Federal Government, “NO” (if polite) or “Go screw yourself” (if rude). In the U.K., regions do not have the same autonomy.

      Here is what stuck out to me: Three years to do a fire study! That is a euphemism for, ‘kicking a can down a road!’ Piss on that. Another is using plastics, floor to ceiling, on the exteriors and interiors of buildings. Also, not installing water sprinklers in high-rise buildings. Well, that is just cheap, and if your objective is to exterminate life, there are fewer ways of achieving that goal. As you may have noticed, when the fire department was hosing down a burning building, the water spayed was not reaching above the sixth floor. That is just physics. With that, the people responsible for the current U.K. building codes should be put on trial for murder.

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