The founder of the martial art aikido was asked–

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      eridani
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      –if he thought aikido was like Christianity.  He said “Jesus says that if someone would go to strike you, turn the other cheek. This is aikido, except we turn the cheek before being struck.”

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #401059
      Hamlet
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      because as beautiful as it is, Aikido is pretty much useless in a fight.

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      ArtfromArk
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      Like some other Japanese martial arts, “defense” isn’t the main objective. If you want to take a truly defensive Japanese martial art, take karate.

      “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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        bonobong
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        I have several anecdotal stories of aikido being used to avoid conflict, including my own. I won’t go into the details, but in my case I avoided being mugged on a dark, deserted, street in Brooklyn.

        As far as fighting, one of the senior students of my sensei was preparing to teach a class at a YMCA. The fellow who used the martial arts room before him, a karate teacher, attempted to “test” him by kicking him without warning during the between-class time. The karate teacher was thrown down, and then the aikido teacher gave the karate teacher a short lecture including an admonition to tell HIS teacher to teach better & try to embrace the code of budo in a more complete fashion.

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          ArtfromArk
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          I don’t know why. But just like my son’s kendo classes, they seemed to be mostly for tradition, rather than protection.

           

          “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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      3fingerbrown
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      I like Pam Grier’s response to the woman in whatever movie it was, who warned her that she had a black belt in karate,  ‘well I got a black belt in chair throwing”!

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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      eridani
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      http://www.aikidofaq.com/stories/real_life.html

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      soryang
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      …that in my younger days I grew up with some professional fighters, boxers, to be precise. Having encountered this unfortunate experience, for an extended period, i became intrigued with violent sports. I’ve met some other practitioners, and pursued some rather short lived dojo experiences myself. I never boxed or did full contact sports because i knew of the disabling injuries suffered by the young boxers and other athletes I knew. One died, imo from his frequent fights.

      Later, I owned a pub for nine years and encountered a fair number of brawlers, and a few who fancied themselves martial artists. Encountered not in confrontation but socially although there were brawls on rare occasions. There was actually really only one or two who actually were. One was trained in a local Nejad dojo i think. No one ever bothered him. Another was just a superb world class athlete that no one could even touch.

      My observations are these. Point contact martial artists will not survive a prolonged bout with a stronger opponent who grapples or locks. Aikido movements are generally too complex to generate significant advantages for self defense without prolonged practice and training. Eclectic styles of fighting which include strength exercises, striking and blocking, grappling moves including jujistsu, and judo, and simple locks and breaks taught in Aikido and other styles are the ones adopted by professionals such as special forces in various nations. Such eclectic training yields almost immediate benefits to practitioners in terms of skill and survivability.

      My personal belief is that violence is abhorrent and never comes to a good end. I wish i hadn’t spend so much time watching it for entertainment, training, etc. In hindsight, it was mostly a waste of time that could have been put to better use.

      If one wants to study a martial art for its aesthetic and health benefits, that is desirable I think.

      Did you see Chris Hedges review of Gerald Horne’s history of US Boxing and it’s brutal racist history?

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