The Ghislaine Maxwell case raises a question some may think naive: why?

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      eridani
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      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/31/ghislaine-maxwell-case-question-why-human-wickedness

      And yet, both those answers are unsatisfying as explanations. There are plenty of abusers who did not grow up with either a Maxwell-style father or Maxwell-level wealth and, conversely, there are people whose upbringings were comparable to Ghislaine Maxwell’s but who did not go on to commit terrible crimes.

      So the why question lingers, just as it did in sharper and more horrific form at least twice in the last month alone. December 2021 began with convictions for the father and stepmother of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes in a case so appalling, I confess at the time I could barely read accounts of it. The six-year-old was subjected to a regime of sustained torture which was, incredibly, filmed by those who inflicted it. The little boy was made to stand in isolation for up to 14 hours at a time, without anything to eat or drink. He was beaten. To punish him, his father took the football shirts he loved and cut them to shreds in front of him. Perhaps most unbearable of all, the jury was shown footage of a weak and frail Arthur shortly before his death saying: “No one loves me. No one is going to feed me.”

      All those questions matter, and yet the one that preys on my mind is more timeless. It’s the question that arises in all such cases of human cruelty yet which one hesitates to ask, lest the inquiry seem naive: why?

      The coverage of Maxwell has probed that a bit, suggesting for example that Ghislaine Maxwell was conditioned, as the daughter of the publishing magnate Robert Maxwell, to cater to the whims of a monstrous man, and simply transferred her allegiance, and her service, from one monster to another. Growing up surrounded by wealth and power, where the deference of officialdom was taken for granted, would have had its effect too. Ghislaine Maxwell may well have assumed that people like her and Epstein were granted a special kind of impunity, that they could break the laws that restrained the appetites of lesser mortals, because for most of her life that had indeed been the case.

      And yet, both those answers are unsatisfying as explanations. There are plenty of abusers who did not grow up with either a Maxwell-style father or Maxwell-level wealth and, conversely, there are people whose upbringings were comparable to Ghislaine Maxwell’s but who did not go on to commit terrible crimes.

      So the why question lingers, just as it did in sharper and more horrific form at least twice in the last month alone. December 2021 began with convictions for the father and stepmother of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes in a case so appalling, I confess at the time I could barely read accounts of it. The six-year-old was subjected to a regime of sustained torture which was, incredibly, filmed by those who inflicted it. The little boy was made to stand in isolation for up to 14 hours at a time, without anything to eat or drink. He was beaten. To punish him, his father took the football shirts he loved and cut them to shreds in front of him. Perhaps most unbearable of all, the jury was shown footage of a weak and frail Arthur shortly before his death saying: “No one loves me. No one is going to feed me.”

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      chknltl
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      Back when my brother owned a bunch of rental houses, one had four bedrooms, two upstairs , two on the main floor and a full basement.

      The home came with a fully chainlinked back yard.

      The first oddity was that the rentor had fully cardboarded up the fence in that backyard.

      The cardboard was arranged in pannels-one could not see into the yard at all.

      On each pannel was written some doom and gloom religious crap about the end times being near.

      Eventually the tenant stopped paying rent and was evicted

      We do not know where the tenant moved to.

      The house was trashed but in the basement I witnessed a set of wooden cages with locks on their doors.

      The cages could easily fit one child each.

      In the center of these cages was a chalkboard with more religious material.

      It looked to me like this tenant was probably locking up his kids and forcing them to learn his doom and gloom religion.

      My brother did call the cops but we do not know if this case was ever pursued.

    • #463284
      yourout
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      My personal opinion is the whole thing was a Moussad blackmail scheme to gain leverage on US power brokers.

      • #463286
        A Simple Game
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        And I assumed that Maxwell was Epstein’s handler.  Are Maxwell’s lawyers trying to paint her as the victim?

      • #463549
        Scott Crowder
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        The entire thing was exposed by Whitney Webb.

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    • #463298
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      All the worst shit I can think of and why people justify their role in it has to do with power… loss of it, reward and punishment systems surrounding it, rape being the ultimate way to hold on to one’s view of the fittest… all ending in loss of it (eventually).

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #463301
      Utopian Leftist
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      The dark side has the real power in this world.

      But this world is the illusion.

      eta: Oopthy, I meant this to be a response to @mrmickeysmom

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    • #463305
      Dunatus
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      ….in that it deliberately asks the wrong question. It also presupposes that Maxwell wasn’t the monster herself instead of her father and Epstein (not saying they aren’t also…). The coverage and trial seemed to conspicuously avoid and mention of the other abusers involved, Clinton, Trump, Gates, Dershowitz, etc.

    • #463334
      mrdmk
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      From the 4th estate, let us blame a couple of dead guys who cannot speak for themselves.

      From day one of Robert Maxwell death, Ghislaine Maxwell swooped in and knew exactly what to do. Another point is, Ghislaine and Jeffery Epstein were already an item per se when Robert Maxwell died. The opinion piece is a little better than what is presented in the four paragraphs above. My opinion about Ghislaine Maxwell is she knew exactly what she was doing. Also, if Ghislaine was being groomed for such a life, the statement does not have support of fact.

      The only reason to make Ghislaine Maxwell a victim, besides letting her go scot-free, is to excuse the actions of others. Even the domestic and professional staff who worked for Maxwell and Epstein need to be investigated. Of course, as stated in the title, the powerful are getting a reprieve by the way the Maxwell/Epstein affair has been handled.

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    • #463391
      snot
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      unless and until they’re healed – which is often difficult.

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

    • #463414
      closeupready
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      There are lots of things about these crimes that raise “why?” questions. But you need to be specific. If the question is “why did someone with her advantages throw it all away?”, then there are probably a ton of explanations/answers.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #463425
      Yanath
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      – If Maxwell was the trafficker, who were the receivers?

      – What does, “He belongs to intelligence” mean?

      – Why was Epstein given a slap on the wrist for trafficking/raping 40 girls between the ages of 14 and 17; crimes for which he should have received a lifetime in prison?

      – Why is the Guardian not asking these questions on a regular basis?

      Just recently, the BBC featured Allen Dershowits as an ‘impartial’ expert on the Maxwell verdict.

    • #463428
      Utopian Leftist
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      Some of the most powerful and wealthy men in the world are implicated in this, and yet the only hint of a prosecution has come for the lone woman involved (other than the victims).

      I’m not empathizing with Maxwell in any way, but she is an easy scapegoat for the likes of Slick Willie and sTrumpet.

      “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
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